• Afghan hospital strike was called in by US special forces; commander says oh shit we fucked up
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[url]http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/06/doctors-without-borders-airstrike-afghanistan-us-account-changes-again[/url] [quote]US special operations forces – not their Afghan allies – called in the deadly airstrike on the Doctors Without Borders hospital in Kunduz, the US commander has conceded. Shortly before General John Campbell, the commander of the US and Nato war in Afghanistan, testified to a Senate panel, the president of Doctors Without Borders – also known as Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) – said the US and Afghanistan had made an “admission of a war crime”. Shifting the US account of the Saturday morning airstrike for the fourth time in as many days, Campbell reiterated that Afghan forces had requested US air cover after being engaged in a “tenacious fight” to retake the northern city of Kunduz from the Taliban. But, modifying the account he gave at a press conference on Monday, Campbell said those Afghan forces had not directly communicated with the US pilots of an AC-130 gunship overhead. “Even though the Afghans request that support, it still has to go through a rigorous US procedure to enable fires to go on the ground. We had a special operations unit that was in close vicinity that was talking to the aircraft that delivered those fires,” Campbell told the Senate armed services committee on Tuesday morning.[/quote] [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-34458270[/url] [quote]The US commander of international forces in Afghanistan has said an air strike on a hospital in the northern city of Kunduz was a mistake. Gen John Campbell said that the US would never intentionally target a protected medical facility. At least 22 people were killed in the attack as government forces battled to retake the city from the Taliban. Gen Campbell also said that the US must consider boosting its military presence in Afghanistan after 2016.[/quote]
The 105mm howitzer whoopsie
This time they were very "special" forces.
This is why we need sniper drones which would be capable of targeting individuals rather than mass areas. And maybe specific targets like vehicles.
[QUOTE=TheNerdPest14;48843823]This is why we need sniper drones which would be capable of targeting individuals rather than mass areas. And maybe specific targets like vehicles.[/QUOTE] That would require some impressive stabilization technology that I don't believe exists, to have a drone that can snipe a target while in the air and from miles away and having to take into account a bullet's miles-long travel time and the possiblity of the target moving.
[QUOTE=Electrocuter;48843855]That would require some impressive stabilization technology that I don't believe exists, to have a drone that can snipe a target while in the air and from miles away.[/QUOTE] Yeah, you'd have to develop a way for it stop breathing while it aims.
[QUOTE=Electrocuter;48843855]That would require some impressive stabilization technology that I don't believe exists, to have a drone that can snipe a target while in the air and from miles away and having to take into account a bullet's miles-long travel time and the possiblity of the target moving.[/QUOTE] Actively guided .50 bullets exist.
[QUOTE=Electrocuter;48843855]That would require some impressive stabilization technology that I don't believe exists, to have a drone that can snipe a target while in the air and from miles away and having to take into account a bullet's miles-long travel time and the possiblity of the target moving.[/QUOTE] Yeah we do actually have the tech to do that :v: Those actively guided bullets DARPA funded/invented work across huge distances and moving targets. It's a crazy idea, but it just might work.
[QUOTE=Antlerp;48843822]This time they were very "special" forces.[/QUOTE] I see what you did there,.
[QUOTE=TheNerdPest14;48843823]This is why we need sniper drones which would be capable of targeting individuals rather than mass areas. And maybe specific targets like vehicles.[/QUOTE] OK so how will you target someone in a building?
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;48844749]OK so how will you target someone in a building?[/QUOTE] shoot them in the leg through the window of course
[QUOTE]"This attack cannot be brushed aside as a mere mistake or an inevitable consequence of war."[/QUOTE] Well its America so thats probably what will happen.
[QUOTE=ScottyWired;48844804]um the window?? ?[/QUOTE] So you think your target will be conveniently sitting in front of a window when you need to kill them? What if there's more then one target? You can only shoot one at a time. What happens if they use cover? What if they run away? What happens if they start shooting this deus ex space age sniper wolf drone? Woops there goes all that money.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;48844824][B]So you think your target will be conveniently sitting in front of a window when you need to kill them? [/B]What if there's more then one target? You can only shoot one at a time. What happens if they use cover? What if they run away? What happens if they start shooting this deus ex space age sniper wolf drone? Woops there goes all that money.[/QUOTE] Yes that's the point I was trying to make
[QUOTE=ScottyWired;48844834]Yes that's the point I was trying to make[/QUOTE] Sorry mate, the way your post was written I didn't catch the sarcasm! Over my head, like the sniper drone when it misses.
Pretty sure you can just reduce the payload and still have a good surgical drone. Obviously it won't be shooting 50 cals. If they did something like a sniper drone it would probably be armor penetrating, heat optic aimed, airburst rounds. Some thing like a grenade that you can blow up anywhere inside of a building or outside.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;48844849]Sorry mate, the way your post was written I didn't catch the sarcasm! [B]Over my head, like the sniper drone when it misses.[/B][/QUOTE] no no I edited my idea now. I realised that the high angle of the drone gives it the perfect firing position. If they can aim their active-guidance .50 explosive rounds at the legs, sniper drones would obviously be less lethal! [IMG]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/111996868/2015-2/Crap/plan.jpg[/IMG]
The killing of all of these innocent civilians, complete disregard for sovereignty and the American support for the horribly corrupt government probably creates more terrorists than are killed. [QUOTE=ScottyWired;48844907]no no I edited my idea now. I realised that the high angle of the drone gives it the perfect firing position. If they can aim their active-guidance .50 explosive rounds at the legs, sniper drones would obviously be less lethal! [IMG]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/111996868/2015-2/Crap/plan.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Aren't these things a bit too high up for this kind of precision?
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;48844749]OK so how will you target someone in a building?[/QUOTE] Using air burst munitions. I'm fairly sure a .50 could carry a lethal air burst round couldn't it? Also you guys are forgetting one thing, drones don't have to be planes. Why can't it be a drone chopper with a .50 on it?
Its a crazy time when kids on the Internet are crying out for unmanned assisnation drones owned by their already quite oppressive governments, im just gonna sit back and watch that bite you in the ass. Youve played half life 2, stop asking for the combine
[QUOTE=Faunze;48845046]Its a crazy time when kids on the Internet are crying out for unmanned assisnation drones owned by their already quite oppressive governments, im just gonna sit back and watch that bite you in the ass. Youve played half life 2, stop asking for the combine[/QUOTE] Wow our government is so oppressive, we're trying those responsible for a possible war crime, the bastards we are right?
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;48845057]Wow our government is so oppressive, we're trying those responsible for a possible war crime, the bastards we are right?[/QUOTE] Dont be silly.
[QUOTE=Faunze;48845094]Dont be silly.[/QUOTE] You call me silly when you made a link between drones, the US government, and a fictional video game empire. Really?
This was an intentional attack. Theres no way you cant fuck up this hard as America with the fucking tech we have. They were told months in advanced about that very specific location being a hospital from DWB. For that VERY specific location to be bombed by what probably cost in total of 1 million dollars(just letting a military plane in the air costs a fuckload) I just dont see how this is a mistake. America and Russia are fighting a proxy war in the middle east and I just see this as America finally showing its colors, as in gives fuck all of the middle east or its people. All it would take is to look at whatever the fuck piece of paper they have filled with "DO NOT BOMB US COORDINATES"(which they had) to realize that the coordinates they set that bombing too were wrong. We live in the age of technology where this is all automated, to think the USA doesnt use this is retarded. You dont mistakenly bomb something as America when shit costs as much as it does and the tech we have. I wish this was all over the news. If it was any other country but America you could bet your sweet ass it would. Especially if it was fucking Russia.
[QUOTE=Electrocuter;48843855]That would require some impressive stabilization technology that I don't believe exists, to have a drone that can snipe a target while in the air and from miles away and having to take into account a bullet's miles-long travel time and the possiblity of the target moving.[/QUOTE] Really a flywheel and a gyroscope would do a pretty good job. Miles away though would be difficult for a land based drone, let alone a flying one.
[QUOTE=TheNerdPest14;48843823]This is why we need sniper drones which would be capable of targeting individuals rather than mass areas. And maybe specific targets like vehicles.[/QUOTE] We already have precision strikes that can target vehicles [video=youtube;P6U2ZQ0EhN4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6U2ZQ0EhN4[/video]
[QUOTE=Faunze;48845046]Its a crazy time when kids on the Internet are crying out for unmanned assisnation drones owned by their already quite oppressive governments, im just gonna sit back and watch that bite you in the ass. Youve played half life 2, stop asking for the combine[/QUOTE] You're one to talk about oppressive governments, 'guvna. Shit happens, this is war, and those responsible will be reprimanded.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;48844905]Pretty sure you can just reduce the payload and still have a good surgical drone. Obviously it won't be shooting 50 cals. If they did something like a sniper drone it would probably be [B]armor penetrating, heat optic aimed, airburst rounds[/B]. Some thing like a [B]grenade that you can blow up anywhere inside of a building or outside[/B].[/QUOTE] You mean like a missile :v:
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;48845057]Wow our government is so oppressive, [I]we're trying those responsible for a possible war crime[/I], the bastards we are right?[/QUOTE] You know it's more than likely though that nobody gets tried after the investigating parties have concluded their juggling sessions.
If you require drones for more than just Intel you are participating in a conflict by proxy or simply wanting to be involved in something where you shouldn't be. Call it a high tech advantage but it really seems like cheating.
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