• California funds 1st US inmate sex reassignment
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[quote]SACRAMENTO — A 57-year-old convicted killer serving a life sentence in California became the first U.S. inmate to receive state-funded sex-reassignment surgery, the prisoner's attorneys confirmed Friday to The Associated Press. California prison officials agreed in August 2015 to pay for the surgery for Shiloh Heavenly Quine, who was convicted of first-degree murder, kidnapping and robbery for ransom and has no possibility of parole. Quine's case led the state to become the first to set standards that will allow other transgender to inmates apply to receive state-funded sex-reassignment surgery. It also prompted a federal magistrate to require California to provide transgender female inmates housed in men's facilities with more female-oriented items such as nightgowns, scarves and necklaces. "For too long, institutions have ignored doctors and casually dismissed medically necessary and life-saving care for transgender people just because of who we are," said Kris Hayashi, executive director of the Transgender Law Center, which represents Quine and other transgender inmates. Completion of the surgery not only fulfills a landmark legal settlement but marks a victory "for all transgender people who have ever been denied the medical care we need," Hayashi said. Quine will be moved to a women's prison after the operation, which was performed at a hospital in San Francisco, her attorneys said. Quine told a prison psychologist who recommended her for the operation that it would bring a "drastic, internal completeness." She expects it will end a dysfunction and depression so deep that she tried to cut and hang herself in prison five times, most recently in 2014 when she was initially told she could not have the operation. Quine said she tried unsuccessfully to amputate her genitalia when she was about 19, three years before she went to prison and roughly the same time she tried self-medicating with illegally purchased female hormones. She and an accomplice are serving life terms for kidnapping and fatally shooting 33-year-old Shahid Ali Baig in downtown Los Angeles in February 1980, stealing $80 and his car during a drug- and alcohol-fueled rampage.[/quote] [url]http://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/6514870-181/california-funds-1st-us-inmate[/url] [url]http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/apnewsbreak-california-funds-1st-us-inmate-sex-reassignment-44604500[/url]
That's a great start. Many prisoners might not be the nicest people but they're still people and deserve decent human care.
[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51636334]That's a great start. Many prisoners might not be the nicest people but they're still people and deserve decent human care.[/QUOTE] IMO its a little crazy, citizens are funding someones sex change who is serving life in prison for kidnapping and murder.
Can't say I approve of this being funded by tax payer money.
[QUOTE=MadPro119;51636336]IMO its a little crazy, citizens are funding someones sex change who is serving life in prison for kidnapping and murder.[/QUOTE] She has a medical disorder that required treatment so that she would stop trying to kill herself. The prison provided her with this treatment. There's nothing more to it.
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;51636345]She has a medical disorder that required treatment so that she would stop trying to kill herself. The prison provided her with this treatment. There's nothing more to it.[/QUOTE] because post-surgery suicide by transgenders is unheard of?
[QUOTE=Xephio;51636353]because post-surgery suicide by transgenders is unheard of?[/QUOTE] Post-chemotherapy deaths are also widespread, should we stop treating cancer patients then?
[QUOTE=MadPro119;51636336]IMO its a little crazy, citizens are funding someones sex change who is serving life in prison for kidnapping and murder.[/QUOTE] Prison is supposed to be about rehabilitation, not vengeance, if they commit suicide it only means that the system failed somebody else who might have lived a productive life had they received the treatment earlier. Hell, if it came to a pass where their dysphoria became so severe it led to this (the kidnapping and murder) then the system failed them already. It's admittedly subjective when it comes to our opinions about the justification and validity of the treatment provided, but I believe what the government did was the right thing, because they've been punished enough already by being forced to live a life that broke them, with no means of ever leaving prison walls. [editline]7th January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Xephio;51636353]because post-surgery suicide by transgenders is unheard of?[/QUOTE] post chemo deaths are common too, should we stop treating all cancer patients? shit this one's late
[QUOTE=Xephio;51636353]because post-surgery suicide by transgenders is unheard of?[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.wsj.com/articles/paul-mchugh-transgender-surgery-isnt-the-solution-1402615120[/url] Suicide mortality rate almost 20 fold that of the comparable non transgender population. [editline]7th January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Headhumpy;51636356]Post-chemotherapy deaths are also widespread, should we stop treating cancer patients then?[/QUOTE] False equivalency. [editline]7th January 2017[/editline] She will now be relocated to a female prison as well.
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;51636356]Post-chemotherapy deaths are also widespread, should we stop treating cancer patients then?[/QUOTE] No because chemotherapy is the most common treatment for getting rid of cancer, but you're talking as if giving her the sex change surgery is the treatment for her suicidal behaviour and if she decides to off herself after the surgery then , well, shit happens? [editline]dd[/editline] how the hell are people even comparing trans surgeries to cancer treatments wtf whats even the same [editline]as[/editline] also ever heard of therapy? the thing people get when they have unhealthy or disturbing thoughts
[QUOTE=MadPro119;51636369]False equivalency. [editline]7th January 2017[/editline] She will now be relocated to a female prison as well.[/QUOTE] Both are accepted medical treatments for known diseases/disorders. Where's the false equivalence. And what's your point about the relocation? [QUOTE=Xephio;51636380]No because chemotherapy is the most common treatment for getting rid of cancer, but you're talking as if giving her the sex change surgery is the treatment for her suicidal behaviour and if she decides to off herself after the surgery then , well, shit happens?[/QUOTE] She has gender dysphoria, which lead to suicidal tendencies. One of the treatments for gender dysphoria is sex reassignment surgery. Ergo, treating her gender dysphoria by giving her sex reassignment surgery should hopefully reduce her suicidal tendencies.
[QUOTE=Xephio;51636380]No because chemotherapy is the most common treatment for getting rid of cancer, but you're talking as if giving her the sex change surgery is the treatment for her suicidal behaviour and if she decides to off herself after the surgery then , well, shit happens?[/QUOTE] It's worth a try. If gender identity is the reason for suicidal tendencies then there is no reason not to try.
Why get treatment for anything when we're all going to die anyway
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;51636364]Prison is supposed to be about rehabilitation, not vengeance, if they commit suicide it only means that the system failed somebody else who might have lived a productive life had they received the treatment earlier.[/QUOTE] Rehabilitation? She has life in prison. She can never leave.
[QUOTE=Xephio;51636380]No because chemotherapy is the most common treatment for getting rid of cancer, but you're talking as if giving her the sex change surgery is the treatment for her suicidal behaviour and if she decides to off herself after the surgery then , well, shit happens? [editline]dd[/editline] how the hell are people even comparing trans surgeries to cancer treatments wtf whats even the same [editline]as[/editline] also ever heard of therapy? the thing people get when they have unhealthy or disturbing thoughts[/QUOTE] The prison psychiatrist recommended that she be put forward for the surgery after having presumably undergone the necessary psychotherapy that's a required step before any form of sex change surgery can be even considered. Going for a sex change surgery without this step being performed first will put the individual at a far higher risk than if they just did this and then were absolutely sure they wanted to go through with the process.
[QUOTE=Xephio;51636380] [editline]as[/editline] also ever heard of therapy? the thing people get when they have [B]unhealthy or disturbing thoughts[/B][/QUOTE] Nice casual transphobia.
[QUOTE=Crimor;51636412]Nice casual transphobia.[/QUOTE] I really think they were just referring to suicidal thoughts.
[QUOTE=Crimor;51636412]Nice casual transphobia.[/QUOTE] Xephio was probably referring to the suicidal thoughts, which are unhealthy no matter how you put it.
[QUOTE=Crimor;51636412]Nice casual transphobia.[/QUOTE] I believe he was referring to her suicidal thoughts (hopefully).
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;51636364]Prison is supposed to be about rehabilitation, not vengeance[/QUOTE] this would be an arguable point if they didn't have a life sentence. they do, so it's not.
[QUOTE=Crimor;51636412]Nice casual transphobia.[/QUOTE] i was talking about the suicidal thoughts you dip
[QUOTE=Xephio;51636353]because post-surgery suicide by transgenders is unheard of?[/QUOTE] It's obviously very difficult to measure, but I imagine the pre-surgery suicide rate is considerably higher.
[QUOTE=Pernoccuous;51636435]this would be an arguable point if they didn't have a life sentence. they do, so it's not.[/QUOTE] So should we discontinue treating anyone with a life sentence for anything? The common cold, whatever, it's a life sentence. Pneumonia? Whatever, it's a life sentence. Cancer? Whatever, it's a life sentence. Considering how large a fraction of your population is in prison, you seem to care very little for them.
[QUOTE=Crimor;51636412]Nice casual transphobia.[/QUOTE] oh boy here we go
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;51636457]So should we discontinue treating anyone with a life sentence for anything? The common cold, whatever, it's a life sentence. Pneumonia? Whatever, it's a life sentence. Cancer? Whatever, it's a life sentence. Considering how large a fraction of your population is in prison, you seem to care very little for them.[/QUOTE] i knew someone was going to say this, i was debating on whether to edit my post to stop this snide reply. what i'm saying is it's disingenuous to say prison is about rehabilitation when the patient you're defending is going to continue sitting in a box for the rest of their life. what's probably going to happen is this person is going to get their shitty tax-funded sex surgery and then get moved to a female prison and get mocked by the inmates there. this isn't an illness that can be tended to in the environment they're in. depending on the quality of the reassignment it could just make their life worse.
[QUOTE=Pernoccuous;51636517]i knew someone was going to say this, i was debating on whether to edit my post to stop this snide reply. what i'm saying is it's disingenuous to say prison is about rehabilitation when the patient you're defending is going to continue sitting in a box for the rest of their life. what's probably going to happen is this person is going to get their shitty tax-funded sex surgery and then get moved to a female prison and get mocked by the inmates there. this isn't an illness that can be tended to in the environment they're in. depending on the quality of the reassignment it could just make their life worse.[/QUOTE] It could also make it a lot better. The thing is we don't know since we've never done it. Now we can find out.
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;51636384]Both are accepted medical treatments for known diseases/disorders. Where's the false equivalence.[/QUOTE] I think his point is that chemotherapy is a direct treatment for cancer, while a gender change isn't psychotherapy, which would be the proper direct treatment Although see zone's post in regards to this
[QUOTE=MadPro119;51636369][url]http://www.wsj.com/articles/paul-mchugh-transgender-surgery-isnt-the-solution-1402615120[/url] Suicide mortality rate almost 20 fold that of the comparable non transgender population[/QUOTE] Thats incredibly misleading and you really should stop using that study. Yeah no shit postoperative trans people have a higher suicide rate then the baseline population. Thats a given. The fact that post op trans people have a lower suicide rate then pre op trans people is whats important. [editline]7th January 2017[/editline] By your logic the entire field of preventative medicine is a waste
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;51636345]She has a medical disorder that required treatment so that she would stop trying to kill herself. The prison provided her with this treatment. There's nothing more to it.[/QUOTE] Who cares, I have a friend with Diabetes who doesn't want to live and can barely afford his prescriptions plus he isn't a murderer where is his fucking financial support for treatment? Also if go out with intent to purposefully hurt and kill others you don't deserve this much fucking less a chance at rejoining society.
[QUOTE=ColdWave;51636695]Who cares, I have a friend with Diabetes who doesn't want to live and can barely afford his prescriptions plus he isn't a murderer where is his fucking financial support for treatment? Also if go out with intent to purposefully hurt and kill others you don't deserve this much fucking less a chance at rejoining society.[/QUOTE] Thats an entirely seperate issue then prison medical care. Blame the republicans for that.
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