MPAA: Ripping DVDs Shouldn't Be Allowed Because It Takes Away Our Ability To Charge You Multiple Tim - Polidicks

from the [I]um,-wow[/I] dept [release] It's that time again when the Librarian of Congress is considering special exemptions to the DMCA's anti-cicrumvention provisions. One of the key proposals, which we discussed earlier, was Public Knowledge's request to allow people to rip DVDs for personal use -- just as we are all currently able to rip CDs for personal use (such as for moving music to a portable device). The MPAA (along with the RIAA and others) have responded to the exemption requests (pdf) with all sorts of crazy claims, but let's focus in on the DVD ripping question, because it's there that the insanity of Hollywood logic becomes clear. Effectively, the MPAA is arguing that there is no evidence that ripping a DVD itself is legal, and since anti-circumvention exemptions are only supposed to be for legal purposes, this exemption should not apply. Leaving aside the sheer ridiculousness of the fact that we need to apply for exemptions to make legal acts legal (I know, I know...), this is quite a statement by the MPAA. While it's true that there hasn't been an official ruling on the legality of ripping a DVD, the fact that CD ripping is considered legal seems to suggest that movie ripping is comparable. But the bigger point is that the MPAA is arguing that because they offer limited, expensive and annoying ways for you to watch movies elsewhere, you shouldn't have the right to place shift on your own: [I] Copyright owners include with many DVD and Blu- Ray disc purchases digital copies of motion pictures that may be reproduced to mobile devices and computers pursuant to licenses. Blu-Ray disc purchasers can also take advantage of "Managed Copy" services that are scheduled to launch in the U.S. later this year. Movie distributors and technology companies are also making available services such as UltraViolet, which enables consumers to access motion pictures on a variety of devices through streaming and downloading. Many movies and television shows are also available online through services such as Comcast Xfinity, Hulu and Netflix, or websites operated by broadcasters or cable channels, which consumers can enjoy from any U.S. location with internet access. With all of these marketplace solutions to the alleged problem PK points to, it is unlikely that the presence of CSS on DVDs is going to have a substantial adverse impact on the ability of consumers to space shift in the coming three years.[/I] Notice that almost all of these "market solutions" mean you have to pay multiple times for the same content -- and they ignore the fact that these offerings are all very limited and may not have the content on the DVDs people have. Public Knowledge has a quick summary of how these "solutions" are not solutions at all: [I]The MPAA had two specific suggestions. First, consumers could re-purchase access to a subscription service such as Netflix of Hulu. They did not dwell on the fact that 1) this would require you to pay again to access a movie you already own; 2) these services require a high speed internet connection in order to work; 3) There is a reasonable chance that the movie you own is not available on any of those services at any given time; and 4) MPAA member studios regularly pull videos that were once available on those services off of those same services. The MPAA’s second suggestion was even less helpful. In their comments, they pointed to Warner Brothers’ DVD2Blu program. This program allows people to use their existing DVDs as a coupon towards the purchase of a handful of Warner Blu-Ray disks. They did not dwell on the fact that 1) this program is limited to Warner Brothers films; 2) the program is limited to 25 exchanges per household; 3) while some Blu-Ray disks include digital copies that can be moved to other devices, it is unclear how many of the disks in the DVD2Blu program include that option; 4) only 100 movies are included in the entire program; and 5) each exchange costs at least $4.95 plus shipping (which, for the record, is about as much as it would cost to buy the digital file from Amazon.).[/I] When you think about it, this is really quite crazy. They're saying because they offer you an option to pay for a way too expensive, very limited option that might not really exist, you shouldn't have the right to rip your DVDs. This would be like the recording industry claiming you can no longer rip CDs because they offer a limited locked down selection of music in an online store. People would revolt at such a claim, and they should find the MPAA's ridiculous claims here equally as revolting. If the MPAA stopped there, it would be crazy enough... but no, in the mind of Hollywood, they have to take it even further. They claim that because the ability to rip your DVD might take away their ability to keep charging you for the same content over and over again, that it goes against the purpose of copyright law. Seriously. They're actually claiming that their ridiculous "windows" are "new business models" that copyright law is designed to encourage: [I]In fact, granting PK’s proposed exemption would be directly counter to the purpose of this rulemaking. It would undermine emerging business models that increase access to creative works in precisely the manner Congress intended the DMCA to promote.[/I] But that's pure bullcrap. The business models in question do not "increase access." They increase the ways in which you can pay. If they want to increase access, they would let you [I]rip your damn movie.[/I] [I]It is clear that access controls have increased consumers’ options with respect to motion pictures in digital formats. The Register should not interfere with that progress. Instead, she should endorse it.[/I] Up is down, black is white, day is night. Controls have increased consumer options? No freaking way. Controls have limited options... but have allowed the MPAA studios to set up tollbooths and charge people multiple times for content they legally had purchased the rights to.[/release] From Techdirt. [url]http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120215/11540317771/mpaa-ripping-dvds-shouldnt-be-allowed-because-it-takes-away-our-ability-to-charge-you-multiple-times-same-content.shtml[/url] Excuse me, could you provide me the address of the MPAA and the nearest sledgehammer selling hardware store, please?

[QUOTE=Reds;34722597]from the [I]um,-wow[/I] dept [release] It's that time again when the Librarian of Congress is considering special exemptions to the DMCA's anti-cicrumvention provisions. One of the key proposals, which we discussed earlier, was Public Knowledge's request to allow people to rip DVDs for personal use -- just as we are all currently able to rip CDs for personal use (such as for moving music to a portable device). The MPAA (along with the RIAA and others) have responded to the exemption requests (pdf) with all sorts of crazy claims, but let's focus in on the DVD ripping question, because it's there that the insanity of Hollywood logic becomes clear. Effectively, the MPAA is arguing that there is no evidence that ripping a DVD itself is legal, and since anti-circumvention exemptions are only supposed to be for legal purposes, this exemption should not apply. Leaving aside the sheer ridiculousness of the fact that we need to apply for exemptions to make legal acts legal (I know, I know...), this is quite a statement by the MPAA. While it's true that there hasn't been an official ruling on the legality of ripping a DVD, the fact that CD ripping is considered legal seems to suggest that movie ripping is comparable. But the bigger point is that the MPAA is arguing that because they offer limited, expensive and annoying ways for you to watch movies elsewhere, you shouldn't have the right to place shift on your own: [I] Copyright owners include with many DVD and Blu- Ray disc purchases digital copies of motion pictures that may be reproduced to mobile devices and computers pursuant to licenses. Blu-Ray disc purchasers can also take advantage of "Managed Copy" services that are scheduled to launch in the U.S. later this year. Movie distributors and technology companies are also making available services such as UltraViolet, which enables consumers to access motion pictures on a variety of devices through streaming and downloading. Many movies and television shows are also available online through services such as Comcast Xfinity, Hulu and Netflix, or websites operated by broadcasters or cable channels, which consumers can enjoy from any U.S. location with internet access. With all of these marketplace solutions to the alleged problem PK points to, it is unlikely that the presence of CSS on DVDs is going to have a substantial adverse impact on the ability of consumers to space shift in the coming three years.[/I] Notice that almost all of these "market solutions" mean you have to pay multiple times for the same content -- and they ignore the fact that these offerings are all very limited and may not have the content on the DVDs people have. Public Knowledge has a quick summary of how these "solutions" are not solutions at all: [I]The MPAA had two specific suggestions. First, consumers could re-purchase access to a subscription service such as Netflix of Hulu. They did not dwell on the fact that 1) this would require you to pay again to access a movie you already own; 2) these services require a high speed internet connection in order to work; 3) There is a reasonable chance that the movie you own is not available on any of those services at any given time; and 4) MPAA member studios regularly pull videos that were once available on those services off of those same services. The MPAA’s second suggestion was even less helpful. In their comments, they pointed to Warner Brothers’ DVD2Blu program. This program allows people to use their existing DVDs as a coupon towards the purchase of a handful of Warner Blu-Ray disks. They did not dwell on the fact that 1) this program is limited to Warner Brothers films; 2) the program is limited to 25 exchanges per household; 3) while some Blu-Ray disks include digital copies that can be moved to other devices, it is unclear how many of the disks in the DVD2Blu program include that option; 4) only 100 movies are included in the entire program; and 5) each exchange costs at least $4.95 plus shipping (which, for the record, is about as much as it would cost to buy the digital file from Amazon.).[/I] When you think about it, this is really quite crazy. They're saying because they offer you an option to pay for a way too expensive, very limited option that might not really exist, you shouldn't have the right to rip your DVDs. This would be like the recording industry claiming you can no longer rip CDs because they offer a limited locked down selection of music in an online store. People would revolt at such a claim, and they should find the MPAA's ridiculous claims here equally as revolting. If the MPAA stopped there, it would be crazy enough... but no, in the mind of Hollywood, they have to take it even further. They claim that because the ability to rip your DVD might take away their ability to keep charging you for the same content over and over again, that it goes against the purpose of copyright law. Seriously. They're actually claiming that their ridiculous "windows" are "new business models" that copyright law is designed to encourage: [I]In fact, granting PK’s proposed exemption would be directly counter to the purpose of this rulemaking. It would undermine emerging business models that increase access to creative works in precisely the manner Congress intended the DMCA to promote.[/I] But that's pure bullcrap. The business models in question do not "increase access." They increase the ways in which you can pay. If they want to increase access, they would let you [I]rip your damn movie.[/I] [I]It is clear that access controls have increased consumers’ options with respect to motion pictures in digital formats. The Register should not interfere with that progress. Instead, she should endorse it.[/I] Up is down, black is white, day is night. Controls have increased consumer options? No freaking way. Controls have limited options... but have allowed the MPAA studios to set up tollbooths and charge people multiple times for content they legally had purchased the rights to.[/release] From Techdirt. [url]http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120215/11540317771/mpaa-ripping-dvds-shouldnt-be-allowed-because-it-takes-away-our-ability-to-charge-you-multiple-times-same-content.shtml[/url] Excuse me, could you provide me the address of the MPAA and the nearest sledgehammer selling hardware store, please?[/QUOTE] Apparently, They have many Washington, D.C. 1600 Eye St., NW Washington, D.C. 20006 (202) 293-1966 (main) (202) 296-7410 (fax) Los Angeles 15301 Ventura Blvd., Building E Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 (818) 995-6600 (main) (818) 285-4403 (fax) New York 200 White Plains Road 1st Floor Tarrytown, NY 10591 (914) 333-8892 (main) (914) 333-7541 (fax) Chicago 1010 Lake St. Suite 422 Oak Park, IL 60301 708-660-0481 (708) 660-0481(main) (708) 660-0484 (fax) Dallas 1425 Greenway Dr. Suite 270 Irving, TX 75038 (972) 756-9078 (main) (972) 756-9402 (fax) Sao Paulo, Brazil Rua Jerônimo da Veiga, 45, Conj 121/122, 12º Floor Jardim Europa, São Paulo, S.P 04536-000, Brazil 011-55-11-3667-2080 (main) [url]www.mpaal.org.br[/url] Brussels, Belgium Motion Picture Association Brussels office Avenue des Arts 46 box 8 B - 1000 Brussels Tel +32 2 778 27 11 Fax +32 2 778 27 00/+32 2 778 27 50 Mexico City, Mexico Lafontaine #42 Chapultepec Polanco Mexico, 11560 DF 011-5255 5280 6878/5281 6090 (main) Singapore #04-07 Central Mall No. 1 Magazine Road Singapore 059567 +65 6253 1033 (main) +65 6255 1838 (fax) [url]www.mpa-i.org/[/url] Toronto, Canada 55 St. Clair Avenue, West Suite 210 Toronto, ON M4V 2Y7 (416) 961-1888 (main) (416) 968-1016 (fax) [url]www.mpa-canada.org[/url]

I wonder if they even care about what other people think, or simply their own pockets. A company is supposed to provide a service, which should be profitable, and so will expand; that seems to have been lost these days.

Yes, because profit is a [I]right.[/I]

In the end, what happens to the money? Almost nothing. Money used to generate more money, to generate more money. Then the people within will retire, live about 20-30 years in retirement doing nothing, and die with still huge sums of cash that just gets passed down. How pointless.

How about [I]no[/I] and [I]fuck off[/I].

Hahahahaha No go fuck off, you can't track me ripping your DVDs anyway, suckers [editline]16th February 2012[/editline] Ripping/Copying DVDs is allowed for a strictly familial/personal use in France by the way, so yeah

[QUOTE=Dubious George;34722673]In the end, what happens to the money? Almost nothing. Money used to generate more money, to generate more money. Then the people within will retire, live about 20-30 years in retirement doing nothing, and die with still huge sums of cash that just gets passed down. How pointless.[/QUOTE] Wealth can be incredibly addictive.

[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;34722614]Apparently, They have many Toronto, Canada 55 St. Clair Avenue, West Suite 210 Toronto, ON M4V 2Y7 (416) 961-1888 (main) (416) 968-1016 (fax) [url]www.mpa-canada.org[/url][/QUOTE] Oh boy, there's a Home Depot just 5 minuets away from that location, time to get me a sledgehammer,

[QUOTE=1239the;34722720]Wealth can be incredibly addictive.[/QUOTE] money should come with a warning like cigarettes.

[QUOTE=thisispain;34722798]money should come with a warning like cigarettes.[/QUOTE] mandatory plain packaging to make it unappealing to children as well [img]http://i.imgur.com/fELpY.png[/img]

[QUOTE=Zeke129;34722863]mandatory plain packaging to make it unappealing to children as well [img]http://i.imgur.com/fELpY.png[/img][/QUOTE] blue for 5 purple for 10 :eng101: cmon zeke

[QUOTE=Zeke129;34722863]mandatory plain packaging to make it unappealing to children as well [img]http://i.imgur.com/fELpY.png[/img][/QUOTE] That's neato

[QUOTE=Kalibos;34722949]blue for 5 purple for 10 :eng101: cmon zeke[/QUOTE] I only see 100s, and that's only for a few seconds while I light my cigar with them

i think the mpaa are the real basement dwellers because anyone this detached from reality cant have ever been outside

[QUOTE=Zeke129;34723161]I only see 100s, and that's only for a few seconds while I light my cigar with them[/QUOTE] You light your cigars with 100s? Strange. I wipe my ass with them.

What the fuck is wrong with companies nowadays? Rather than making their products competitive with the changing world, they just try to legislate and sue the better products and services out of the market. I just wish people were more aware of this and did something about it, because yet again everyone's going to sit there and moan then buy more of their products.

-snip-

I can't even form into words how retarded the MPAA is. Stop, just stop.

I can't, in good conscience, say that I'm totally with the MPAA, but I'm not really against them. They're just movies - they aren't a necessity, their lack of scruples doesn't actually hurt anyone, and as long as those two caveats are in mind, they can impose whatever rules they want on how people use [I]their[/I] products. If the consumers don't want to deal with that shit, then the ball is in their court to show that they won't pay for the privilege. [QUOTE=Jon27;34723447]What the fuck is wrong with companies nowadays? Rather than making their products competitive with the changing world, they just try to legislate and sue the better products and services out of the market. I just wish people were more aware of this and did something about it, because yet again everyone's going to sit there and moan then buy more of their products.[/QUOTE] Nowadays?

[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;34722614] Singapore #04-07 Central Mall No. 1 Magazine Road Singapore 059567 +65 6253 1033 (main) +65 6255 1838 (fax) [url]www.mpa-i.org/[/url] [/QUOTE] They have one here? Fuck it, I'm going.

I'll rip my own DVDs regardless of what Washington or the MPAA has to say about it. My money, my hardware, my rules. End of story, MPAA, and if you don't like that you can eat a thousand dicks for all I care. [editline]16th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=LCBADs;34723698]I can't, in good conscience, say that I'm totally with the MPAA, but I'm not really against them. They're just movies - they aren't a necessity, their lack of scruples doesn't actually hurt anyone, and as long as those two caveats are in mind, they can impose whatever rules they want on how people use [I]their[/I] products. If the consumers don't want to deal with that shit, then the ball is in their court to show that they won't pay for the privilege.[/QUOTE] This would be applicable if it was a rental. When you rent something you're merely paying for the right to use it for a certain time. You're not allowed to do donuts with rental cars, for example. However, when you buy a DVD, it's not a rental. It's a purchase. And when someone purchases something they're entitled to do whatever the goddamn hell they want to with it. Buy your car? You're welcome to do donuts all you want. Buy your DVD? Rip it and put it on your computer and phone. In either case it's your shit. That's why I rip my DVDs and games whenever I want, remove DRM, modify the games, copy my music onto my phone, all that good stuff. My rules superceed theirs on stuff I [b]purchase[/b].

[QUOTE=blerb;34723382]You light your cigars with 100s? Strange. I wipe my ass with them.[/QUOTE] You can't afford servants to wipe your arse? Pffft.

How hard is it to rip a DVD with DRM?

[QUOTE=Unsmart;34723810]How hard is it to rip a DVD with DRM?[/QUOTE] I'm no expert but it depends on the software you use and the DRM, though basically they've all been bypassed

[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;34722614]Apparently, They have many Washington, D.C. 1600 Eye St., NW Washington, D.C. 20006 (202) 293-1966 (main) (202) 296-7410 (fax) Los Angeles 15301 Ventura Blvd., Building E Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 (818) 995-6600 (main) (818) 285-4403 (fax) New York 200 White Plains Road 1st Floor Tarrytown, NY 10591 (914) 333-8892 (main) (914) 333-7541 (fax) Chicago 1010 Lake St. Suite 422 Oak Park, IL 60301 708-660-0481 (708) 660-0481(main) (708) 660-0484 (fax) Dallas 1425 Greenway Dr. Suite 270 Irving, TX 75038 (972) 756-9078 (main) (972) 756-9402 (fax) Sao Paulo, Brazil Rua Jerônimo da Veiga, 45, Conj 121/122, 12º Floor Jardim Europa, São Paulo, S.P 04536-000, Brazil 011-55-11-3667-2080 (main) [url]www.mpaal.org.br[/url] Brussels, Belgium Motion Picture Association Brussels office Avenue des Arts 46 box 8 B - 1000 Brussels Tel +32 2 778 27 11 Fax +32 2 778 27 00/+32 2 778 27 50 Mexico City, Mexico Lafontaine #42 Chapultepec Polanco Mexico, 11560 DF 011-5255 5280 6878/5281 6090 (main) Singapore #04-07 Central Mall No. 1 Magazine Road Singapore 059567 +65 6253 1033 (main) +65 6255 1838 (fax) [url]www.mpa-i.org/[/url] Toronto, Canada 55 St. Clair Avenue, West Suite 210 Toronto, ON M4V 2Y7 (416) 961-1888 (main) (416) 968-1016 (fax) [url]www.mpa-canada.org[/url][/QUOTE] I'm mailing them a fist and a note, 'please apply to face'

I haven't watched a movie from a DVD for like 3 years.

[QUOTE=Jasun;34723880]I haven't watched a movie from a DVD for like 3 years.[/QUOTE] I'm the opposite. Movies are one of the few formats that I refuse to go digital with. MPAA can fuck right off.

[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;34723914]I'm the opposite. Movies are one of the few formats that I refuse to go digital with. MPAA can fuck right off.[/QUOTE] DVD's [B]ARE[/B] digital. Same with CD's. If you are talking about VHS, then it's a whole other story.

[QUOTE=Dubious George;34722653]I wonder if they even care about what other people think, or simply their own pockets. A company is supposed to provide a service, which should be profitable, and so will expand; that seems to have been lost these days.[/QUOTE] In one word: NOPE I'm surprised how there are lunatics going into pubs with chainsaws for petty shit and no one goes into MPAA offices and wreck their shit up because of this. If I had nothing to live for and were a lunatic, that would be the first thing I'd be doing.