[QUOTE]Researchers claim to have developed a simulator which can feed information directly into a person’s brain and teach them new skills in a shorter amount of time, comparing it to “life imitating art”.
They believe it could be the first steps in developing advanced software that will make Matrix-style instant learning a reality.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/03/01/scientists-discover-how-to-download-knowledge-to-your-brain/[/url]
Well shit, this is cool
I know kung fu
Hopefully this isnt another one of those "big" inventions that just disappears
All the practical uses I can come up with need muscle memory
Other than raw textbook material but I'm not even sure how you feed that into a brain
Here's the non-shit article the telegraph uses as a source
[url]http://www.hrl.com/news/2016/0210/[/url]
33% sounds like a pretty decent improvement to start with.
I was bummed when they referred to the Matrix as classic sci-fi. It ain't that old man!
what an honest and upfront article title
Lemme guess, this is another one of those too-good-to-be-true scientific discovery articles?
Make me a test subject so I can pass my college math classes please.
I've always wanted this to be possible. I'm so happy I can be alive to witness it.
This sounds too good to be true.
I really want this to be real but I am going to have to hold off on being excited until some more information comes out.
But god if it is true, I will learn so much shit.
This seems more like a way to help one to learn than to actually upload information to their brain, which actually sounds way more plausible.
What a bullshit article.
Am I the only one who doesn't love the sound of the fantastical sci fi version of this, as infantile and sensational as this article may be?
To me there is a lot of value and pride in the time and EFFORT it takes for skills to develop or complex topics to be understood. They're hard for a reason and while I'm entirely supportive of easier access to necessary information (I'm a self taught programmer and multi instrumentalist thanks to the internet, but I've worked my ass off for both) the thought of ANYONE with enough money being able to master a given domain, or all domains drives down their value and I feel make it all seem rather meaningless. Not to mention that this will almost certainly go to the rich before it is available to the masses.
In summary, and quoting The Incredibles, "When everyone is special, nobody is." If every person out there with money can just download the understanding of high level Calculus, master an instrument, become an incredible painter, etc with no effort no one is going to give a shit about any of it. people will be come even lazier, and the separation of the have and have nots will grow even further. Hard work will completely be taken out of the equation.
I'd want to study the old fashioned way. I feel like human relations would suck if everyone was such a fucking know it all. Instead of learning things and having them mean something to you and have an interest in it, people would just passively say "eh, I guess I'll learn that" like it's a free app from the appstore.
[QUOTE=Socram;49849279]Am I the only one who doesn't love the sound of the fantastical sci fi version of this, as infantile and sensational as this article may be?
To me there is a lot of value and pride in the time and EFFORT it takes for skills to develop or complex topics to be understood. They're hard for a reason and while I'm entirely supportive of easier access to necessary information (I'm a self taught programmer and multi instrumentalist thanks to the internet, but I've worked my ass off for both) the thought of ANYONE with enough money being able to master a given domain, or all domains drives down their value and I feel make it all seem rather meaningless. Not to mention that this will almost certainly go to the rich before it is available to the masses.
In summary, and quoting The Incredibles, "When everyone is special, nobody is." If every person out there with money can just download the understanding of high level Calculus, master an instrument, become an incredible painter, etc with no effort no one is going to give a shit about any of it. people will be come even lazier, and the separation of the have and have nots will grow even further. Hard work will completely be taken out of the equation.[/QUOTE]
i 100% agree with you. i actually think the internet was an awful idea, because it devalues education. what happened to the good old days of trekking down to the library and finding books manually? the internet has made it too easy to learn, and now everyone is great at everything. lets get rid of the internet, because my personal opinion of what an education is worth is more important than the benefit to humanity that the internet can provide.
[editline]1st March 2016[/editline]
actually on second thought, lets burn books too. i think everyone should have to learn via apprenticeships. books drove the value of education down too. sitting in a comfy chair (or even bed!) and learning is for lazy people. i prefer going to town and finding someone to spend several years teaching me a skill. books have destroyed the value of an education.
[QUOTE=Socram;49849279]Am I the only one who doesn't love the sound of the fantastical sci fi version of this, as infantile and sensational as this article may be?
To me there is a lot of value and pride in the time and EFFORT it takes for skills to develop or complex topics to be understood. They're hard for a reason and while I'm entirely supportive of easier access to necessary information (I'm a self taught programmer and multi instrumentalist thanks to the internet, but I've worked my ass off for both) the thought of ANYONE with enough money being able to master a given domain, or all domains drives down their value and I feel make it all seem rather meaningless. Not to mention that this will almost certainly go to the rich before it is available to the masses.
In summary, and quoting The Incredibles, "When everyone is special, nobody is." If every person out there with money can just download the understanding of high level Calculus, master an instrument, become an incredible painter, etc with no effort no one is going to give a shit about any of it. people will be come even lazier, and the separation of the have and have nots will grow even further. Hard work will completely be taken out of the equation.[/QUOTE]
I too, hate scientific advancement.
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;49849384]i 100% agree with you. i actually think the internet was an awful idea, because it devalues education. what happened to the good old days of trekking down to the library and finding books manually? the internet has made it too easy to learn, and now everyone is great at everything. lets get rid of the internet, because my personal opinion of what an education is worth is more important than the benefit to humanity that the internet can provide.
[editline]1st March 2016[/editline]
actually on second thought, lets burn books too. i think everyone should have to learn via apprenticeships. books drove the value of education down too. sitting in a comfy chair (or even bed!) and learning is for lazy people. i prefer going to town and finding someone to spend several years teaching me a skill. books have destroyed the value of an education.[/QUOTE]
Have you been playing too much Deus Ex
[QUOTE=Socram;49849279]Am I the only one who doesn't love the sound of the fantastical sci fi version of this, as infantile and sensational as this article may be?
To me there is a lot of value and pride in the time and EFFORT it takes for skills to develop or complex topics to be understood. They're hard for a reason and while I'm entirely supportive of easier access to necessary information (I'm a self taught programmer and multi instrumentalist thanks to the internet, but I've worked my ass off for both) the thought of ANYONE with enough money being able to master a given domain, or all domains drives down their value and I feel make it all seem rather meaningless. Not to mention that this will almost certainly go to the rich before it is available to the masses.
In summary, and quoting The Incredibles, "When everyone is special, nobody is." If every person out there with money can just download the understanding of high level Calculus, master an instrument, become an incredible painter, etc with no effort no one is going to give a shit about any of it. people will be come even lazier, and the separation of the have and have nots will grow even further. Hard work will completely be taken out of the equation.[/QUOTE]
We've entered an age unlike any other in human history - where it's impossible for a single person to hold most of our knowledge in their brain. Not that it wouldn't fit there - you'd just have to spend several lifetimes studying it. And, as absurd as it sounds, this is a fairly recent development.
It's necessary for us to start finding ways to accelerate the learning process if we want to keep gaining new knowledge. Otherwise we end up at a point where experts in their field won't have half the knowledge they need to have to make any new observations by the time they die. This will stand in the way of exponential scientific advancement and prevent us from understanding the world around us forever.
[QUOTE=Socram;49849279]Am I the only one who doesn't love the sound of the fantastical sci fi version of this, as infantile and sensational as this article may be?
To me there is a lot of value and pride in the time and EFFORT it takes for skills to develop or complex topics to be understood. They're hard for a reason and while I'm entirely supportive of easier access to necessary information (I'm a self taught programmer and multi instrumentalist thanks to the internet, but I've worked my ass off for both) the thought of ANYONE with enough money being able to master a given domain, or all domains drives down their value and I feel make it all seem rather meaningless. Not to mention that this will almost certainly go to the rich before it is available to the masses.
In summary, and quoting The Incredibles, "When everyone is special, nobody is." If every person out there with money can just download the understanding of high level Calculus, master an instrument, become an incredible painter, etc with no effort no one is going to give a shit about any of it. people will be come even lazier, and the separation of the have and have nots will grow even further. Hard work will completely be taken out of the equation.[/QUOTE]
This knowledge becoming commonplace -- so that people dont have to spend lifetimes learning it -- opens the for for even greater invention and discovery that today would be impossible or take decades
Also, no, dont really give a fuck about "its hard for a reason!!! i want to be special!!!" when confronted with the possibility of everyone being able to learn these things. Human progress trumps you getting to be a special snowflake.
[editline]2nd March 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=proboardslol;49849339]I'd want to study the old fashioned way. I feel like human relations would suck if everyone was such a fucking know it all. Instead of learning things and having them mean something to you and have an interest in it, people would just passively say "eh, I guess I'll learn that" like it's a free app from the appstore.[/QUOTE]
This is such an insanely stupid mindset. So we should have just stayed in the dark ages then, for the sake of some arbitrary concept of "human relations"? Would we all be best buddies if we knew absolutely nothing???
I wouldn't mind learning aids which uploaded raw data to my brain. I think you would still need the ability to comprehend the information you are given, so learning would stay the same just more focused on how to apply that raw knowledge and not waste time meticulously memorizing chapters.
[QUOTE=Tetsmega;49849436]Have you been playing too much Deus Ex[/QUOTE]
[t]http://i.imgur.com/jX83S4N.png[/t]
just finished playing not even half an hour ago, thanks for asking.
Fucking sign me up.
[QUOTE=Sableye;49849017]All the practical uses I can come up with need muscle memory
Other than raw textbook material but I'm not even sure how you feed that into a brain[/QUOTE]
I'm curious what the effects would be on Alzheimer's patients
[QUOTE=Helix Snake;49849022]Here's the non-shit article the telegraph uses as a source
[url]http://www.hrl.com/news/2016/0210/[/url][/QUOTE]
I think this is the actual study:
[url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4746294/[/url]
The end of school as we know it!
Nah. I don't believe it yet.
Hit me up! Finals week is in two weeks
i don't think that knowledge is quantitative. knowledge is sensitive to context, to where and who told it to you, to what the foundations of your worldview they were built from or they destroyed in the process. who on earth would want to simply know something without experiencing its discovery? i don't care if its as simple as tying your shoes. learning takes place in in events, in doing, in practicing. forming your person, who you are, is being subverted by being provided as a commodity. celebrating this is celebrating suicide.
I used to have this fantasy when I was a young kid of playing games all day and just uploading a day of school to my brain that was recorded by a robot me that went to school for me. Now I'm older I just play games all day anyway, but it's OK, that fantasy is getting closer to reality every day!
[QUOTE=Kommodore;49850068]i don't think that knowledge is quantitative. knowledge is sensitive to context, to where and who told it to you, to what the foundations of your worldview they were built from or they destroyed in the process. who on earth would want to simply know something without experiencing its discovery? i don't care if its as simple as tying your shoes. learning takes place in in events, in doing, in practicing. forming your person, who you are, is being subverted by being provided as a commodity. celebrating this is celebrating suicide.[/QUOTE]
Whatever, nerd. We'll see who gets the last laugh after I download the Entire Internet to my brain
You'll be grovelling at my feet while you beg me to teach you how to roast a turkey or something, and I'll be ignoring you because I'm too busy watching every RoboCop movie at the same time just by closing my eyes while simultaneously crushing several large boulders with my mind
What would be cool is if you could upload certain personality changing things
Like something to alter your psyche
I would totally upload something to stop me from being lazy :v:
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