ISIS religious police 'kidnapped' a day after force commander found beheaded - Polidicks

[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-30721021[/url] [quote]Reports from Syria say that some members of the religious police force set up by the militant group Islamic State (IS) have been kidnapped. Activist group the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said they had been ambushed and abducted by unknown gunmen in the eastern city of Mayadin. The force patrols areas held by IS and enforces its version of Islamic law. It comes a day after reports that the force's deputy leader in the same area had been killed by unknown assailants.[/quote]

I would normally say that we shouldn't sink to their level, which we really shouldn't, but I find it difficult not to smile at this and say "You reap what you sow, motherfuckers".

[QUOTE]His severed head was reportedly found with a cigarette in its mouth and close by was a note with a mocking reference to the fact that smoking is a sin in the eyes of the religious police.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]The IS police force has confiscated and burned tobacco products and punished those caught smoking.[/QUOTE] [editline]8th January 2015[/editline] on topic: deserve it, good .

Fuck, I wish this radical shit wasn't happening

wonder if these were kurds or a different faction

Now that I think about it, couldn't whoever's involved with selling cigarettes to Syrian retailers be involved? It'd make sense that a smuggling operation would remove the thorns preventing them to make profit.

Americans discrediting ISIS by any means necessary.

[QUOTE=Solomon;46882420]Americans discrediting ISIS by any means necessary.[/QUOTE] I'm not understanding this post?

[QUOTE=Solomon;46882420]Americans discrediting ISIS by any means necessary.[/QUOTE] troll?

[QUOTE=Spetsnaz95;46882393]I would normally say that we shouldn't sink to their level, which we really shouldn't, but I find it difficult not to smile at this and say "You reap what you sow, motherfuckers".[/QUOTE] it still sounds really shitty. [quote]According to reports, the force's deputy commander in the area had been captured, tortured and beheaded.[/quote] blood for blood just makes everything worse. while it might appease a really base desire for revenge, long term it doesn't do anything productive. capture them? sure. interrogate them? sure. hold them as a prisoner? sure. but torturing and beheading? the group did the exact same thing as ISIS does. its like inglorious basterds. it sure is a fun as fuck movie, but i wouldn't want actual soldiers doing stuff like that for my cause

[QUOTE=BrickInHead;46882596]it still sounds really shitty. blood for blood just makes everything worse. while it might appease a really base desire for revenge, long term it doesn't do anything productive. capture them? sure. interrogate them? sure. hold them as a prisoner? sure. but torturing and beheading? the group did the exact same thing as ISIS does. its like inglorious basterds. it sure is a fun as fuck movie, but i wouldn't want actual soldiers doing stuff like that for my cause[/QUOTE] idk, i dont like you [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Why Reply" - Big Dumb American))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=BrickInHead;46882596]it still sounds really shitty. blood for blood just makes everything worse. while it might appease a really base desire for revenge, long term it doesn't do anything productive. capture them? sure. interrogate them? sure. hold them as a prisoner? sure. but torturing and beheading? the group did the exact same thing as ISIS does. its like inglorious basterds. it sure is a fun as fuck movie, but i wouldn't want actual soldiers doing stuff like that for my cause[/QUOTE] Imagine being so obtusely naive about the world that you actually think bloodshed can always be avoided and is always the worst possible solution (or never the best).

[QUOTE=BrickInHead;46882596] interrogate them? sure[/QUOTE] You realize that this implies torture, right? Because you sure as fuck ain't going to get anything from fanatics with "dear sir, could you please disclose the location of XYZ?". And what to do with them anyway? It's not like any militia/resistance group out there has this much spare resources to hold and care for prisoners. Beheading might be a bit too much, but disposing of them is the best solution solution. Second best is releasing them, which I might imagine, doesn't hold much water.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;46882621]Imagine being so obtusely naive about the world that you actually think bloodshed can always be avoided and is always the worst possible solution (or never the best).[/QUOTE] Torturing and beheading [B]is[/B] the worst possible solution... If we go around doing shit like that, we're literally just as bad as they are. It's fucking barbaric, and it's the kind of reason why we would go and fuck them up in the first place. It literally achieves nothing. "Let's all fucking torture and behead each other" .... great.

[QUOTE=Scotchair;46882648]Torturing and beheading [B]is[/B] the worst possible solution... If we go around doing shit like that, we're literally just as bad as they are. It's fucking barbaric, and it's the kind of reason why we would go and fuck them up in the first place. It literally achieves nothing. "Let's all fucking torture and behead each other" .... great.[/QUOTE] Nah I'm gonna stop you there. That's false equivalence. These two things are not quite the same. Group A tortures and beheads innocent civilians whom they don't quite like for completely arbitrary reasons. Group B tortures and beheads members of the Group A out of revenge, to intimidate or to extract some kind of information. Either way, the reasoning for Group B's actions are provided aplenty by the members of Group A themselves. While both are doing exactly the same thing 'mechanically', these two activities are not the same, far from it.

[QUOTE=gudman;46882658]Nah I'm gonna stop you there. That's false equivalence. These two things are not quite the same. Group A tortures and beheads innocent civilians whom they don't quite like for completely arbitrary reasons. Group B tortures and beheads members of the Group A out of revenge, to intimidate or to extract some kind of information. Either way, the reasoning for Group B's actions are provided aplenty by the members of Group A themselves. While both are doing exactly the same thing 'mechanically', these two activities are not the same, far from it.[/QUOTE]Despite whatever justification one side may try to come up with. Beheading is inhumane and should be shunned. Also in the current situation I wouldn't quite say ISIS executions are arbitrary, they behead for many of the same reasons as their enemies: to create fear, and to kill those whom they deem "evil"(based on their interpretation of the Qur'an).

If your enemy is fighting dirty and has the advantage because of it then on a practical level you can't afford to not stoop down to their level and fight dirtier. It's not like these people can afford drones and surgical strikes. It's also fair to say these people are more focused on trying to not get fucked by IS than on being righteous paragons of virtue when it comes to fighting religious nutjobs. I'd also argue that people who have willingly taken the decision to forego any sort of sense or mercy and have stooped down to selling women as sex slaves, torturing random people and beheading people on camera do not deserve to be fought with any sort of humane treatment. They're getting what's coming to them.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;46883020]Despite whatever justification one side may try to come up with. Beheading is inhumane and should be shunned. Also in the current situation I wouldn't quite say ISIS executions are arbitrary, they behead for many of the same reasons as their enemies: to create fear, and to kill those whom they deem "evil"(based on their interpretation of the Qur'an).[/QUOTE] And I'd say people who kill ISIS members because they're 'devil' have a point.

[QUOTE=gudman;46883282]And I'd say people who kill ISIS members because they're 'devil' have a point.[/QUOTE] It's a war, of course that's going to happen. What I'm against is inhumane shit like torture and beheadings. At the very least we shouldn't be applauding them for it and saying "they had it coming"

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;46883292]It's a war, of course that's going to happen. What I'm against is inhumane shit like torture and beheadings. At the very least we shouldn't be applauding them for it and saying "they had it coming"[/QUOTE] How about saying that ISIS dogs had it coming, but without the applause? People do whatever it takes to at least harm their oppressors. Sure some of those methods are bound be questionable, what with an enemy like that.

[QUOTE=gudman;46882658]Nah I'm gonna stop you there. That's false equivalence. These two things are not quite the same. Group A tortures and beheads innocent civilians whom they don't quite like for completely arbitrary reasons. Group B tortures and beheads members of the Group A out of revenge, to intimidate or to extract some kind of information. Either way, the reasoning for Group B's actions are provided aplenty by the members of Group A themselves. While both are doing exactly the same thing 'mechanically', these two activities are not the same, far from it.[/QUOTE] There's no justification for beheading and torture.

[QUOTE=TheWhiteFox1;46883333]There's no justification for beheading and torture.[/QUOTE] Even if it can stop an enemy from doing the same to you? Get off your high horse.

[QUOTE=Ccharlton;46883357]Even if it can stop an enemy from doing the same to you? Get off your high horse.[/QUOTE] what makes going to such extreme lengths (and putting yourselves on the same level as the people you call monsters) necessary though? and really saying i'm on a high horse for not having this bloodlust which lots of SH members seem to have is just silly.

[QUOTE=TheWhiteFox1;46883373]what makes going to such extreme lengths (and putting yourselves on the same level as the people you call monsters) necessary though? and really saying i'm on a high horse for not having this bloodlust which lots of SH members seem to have is just silly.[/QUOTE] I don't call them monsters. Why is it necessary? Maybe just maybe talking to this group doesn't work, you think dropping airstrikes works? That's a negative goose, this enemy uses fear and complete control to thrive. So maybe it's in our best interests to use their same weapons against them, yeah it's nasty and disgusting but that's the world we live in.

[QUOTE=Ccharlton;46883410]I don't call them monsters. Why is it necessary? Maybe just maybe talking to this group doesn't work, you think dropping airstrikes works? That's a negative goose, this enemy uses fear and complete control to thrive. So maybe it's in our best interests to use their same weapons against them, yeah it's nasty and disgusting but that's the world we live in.[/QUOTE] and then they print and publicize the horrors of the west, bringing more people to join their cause.

Of course its easy to say not to stoop to their level when you are sitting cushy in another country. If they were killing my friends and family by torturing and beheading them I would be in full support of beheading them right back. Its a war not some JRPG where you will be just as bad as them ;_;

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;46882621]Imagine being so obtusely naive about the world that you actually think bloodshed can always be avoided and is always the worst possible solution (or never the best).[/QUOTE] bucko I work at a war crimes tribunal and have often argued that several attacks by genocidal Serbs/bosniaks during war that result in civilian death have been proportional responses I'm fully versed in the use of force and when it is and is not appropriate. To not be tortured is an inalienable human right. Context doesn't matter, that's just something you don't do.

[QUOTE=Cmx;46883488]Of course its easy to say not to stoop to their level when you are sitting cushy in another country. If they were killing my friends and family by torturing and beheading them I would be in full support of beheading them right back. Its a war not some JRPG where you will be just as bad as them ;_;[/QUOTE] what are you even trying to say with this post if your flagdog is to be believed you even live in the same country as me? yeah it does put you on their level when there's much less brutal and barbaric options you could consider in their place. the fact that you're comparing my viewpoint to a video game when this is an actual real-life moral issue is just mindboggling

[QUOTE=gudman;46882644]You realize that this implies torture, right? Because you sure as fuck ain't going to get anything from fanatics with "dear sir, could you please disclose the location of XYZ?". And what to do with them anyway? It's not like any militia/resistance group out there has this much spare resources to hold and care for prisoners. Beheading might be a bit too much, but disposing of them is the best solution solution. Second best is releasing them, which I might imagine, doesn't hold much water.[/QUOTE] no, the idea that interrogation implies torture is a result of shit illegal interrogation methods. Telling a pow they will be held until such time as they provide enough information for them to be exchanged with the enemy is plenty enough to get many talking