Old woman thrown out of own home by soverign citzen - Polidicks

[quote]SYLVAN LAKE, Alta. — An Alberta pensioner says she feels like a prisoner after her rental property was claimed as an "embassy" by a man she says identified himself as a Freemen-on-the-Land, a growing movement of so-called sovereign citizens that is raising concerns with authorities both north and south of the border... ... What she thought was a good deal soon turned into a nightmare. A few months after Pirelli moved in, Caverhill went to inspect the work and she says she found the entire kitchen and bathroom had been gutted. All the doors inside had been removed and the floor of the master bedroom had been painted black, she says. But Caverhill quickly learned she had much bigger problems. "He walks me to the door and he's yelling at me, 'I'm a Freemen-on-the-Land,'" Caverhill says. "I said: 'This is my house, not yours.' He said: 'No. This is an embassy house now and it's mine and you have no rights', so then he slams the door"... ... Alberta's justice minister says he has had his own dealings with the sovereign movement, including being taken to court. "I have been sued before with an 87 page document and the suit was dismissed ... The logic behind it defies me," says Jonathan Denis. "There was also that lawsuit against myself and the former deputy minister. The lawsuit was for $1,000 quadrillion, more than the size of the U.S. national debt." Denis says he wants to help Caverhill.[/quote] [url]http://www.therecord.com/news-story/4119581-alberta-pensioner-fights-to-reclaim-home-declared-embassy-by-sovereign-citizen/[/url] If you want to know what the devil a sovereign citizen is, view the following link: [url]http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/ideology/sovereign-citizens-movement[/url]

... Some people call this logic? Wait, rather, some people actually go by this belief system? I'm amazed that they can not only make sense of it, but also believe in it. -Snip'd- I was wrong, this is Canada, not America.

[quote]"I said: 'This is my house, not yours.' He said: 'No. This is an embassy house now and it's mine and you have no rights', so then he slams the door"...[/quote] oh yes that seems perfectly sensible and legal /s

[QUOTE]"The lawsuit was for $1,000 quadrillion, more than the size of the U.S. national debt."[/QUOTE] ... What.

[QUOTE=Zerohope;42281865]... Some people call this logic? Wait, rather, some people actually go by this belief system? I'm amazed that they can not only make sense of it, but also believe in it. By the way, since it's 'Murica, isn't there that law with "Your Home is Your Castle" and that you can defend your property against people that attempt to force entry? Please do correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not american after all.[/QUOTE] You're thinking of Castle Doctrine and that depends on the state. This is in Canada.

Walking into someones house claiming its now yours ends in one of 3 bad ways: 1. Shot and killed 2. Beat the living shit out of you 3. Arrested for B&R (Felony) No one gives a damn if you think the system doesnt apply to you because it does. If you're a sovereign citizen (in the US) that means you dont have US citizenship standards which means your rights are not protected under the constitution. In Canada; I dont think its much different

[QUOTE=deathrat;42281912]You're thinking of Castle Doctrine and that depends on the state. This is in Canada.[/QUOTE] My bad. But does Canada have a law like that? Or even along those lines?

[QUOTE=areolop;42281926]Walking into someones house claiming its now yours ends in one of 3 bad ways: 1. Shot and killed 2. Beat the living shit out of you 3. Arrested for B&R (Felony) No one gives a damn if you think the system doesnt apply to you because it does. If you're a sovereign citizen (in the US) that means you dont have US citizenship standards which means your rights are not protected under the constitution. In Canada; I dont think its much different[/QUOTE]Actually, iirc the US constitution is not about what rights are guaranteed to citizens, but rather a list of limitations on what the government can do. A small, but important distinction as it means it is supposed to apply to anyone whom the US government deals with. Some of it does only apply to citizens e.g. the right to vote or run for a public office, that sort of thing. In practice, though (which at the end of the day is the most important thing); it's generally not upheld for foreigners.

[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;42281954]Actually, iirc the US constitution is not about what rights are guaranteed to citizens, but rather a list of limitations on what the government can do. A small, but important distinction as it means it is supposed to apply to anyone whom the US government deals with. Some of it does only apply to citizens e.g. the right to vote or run for a public office, that sort of thing. In practice, though (which at the end of the day is the most important thing); it's generally not upheld for foreigners.[/QUOTE] Bill of Rights.. which are the first ten amendments to the constitution.

[QUOTE=Zerohope;42281938]My bad. But does Canada have a law like that? Or even along those lines?[/QUOTE] No, if she were to try something like that she'd be arrested. Disgusting, really, that she can't really do anything herself but call the police and wait, both for them and for the court case to be over when she inevitably sues this guy.

The court case will inevitably take years when the guy claims his person can't be tried under admiralty law and the court doesn't have jurisdiction over him repeatedly. Poor lady

[QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;42281820] If you want to know what the devil a sovereign citizen is, view the following link: [url]http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/ideology/sovereign-citizens-movement[/url][/QUOTE] These people sound like fucking kindergarteners. "I WON'T FOLLOW THIS LAW BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO, WAH!"

[QUOTE]"The lawsuit was for $1,000 quadrillion, more than the size of the U.S. national debt."[/QUOTE] Just give it a few years...

She would first have to have him evicted. Which will take a while in which time he'll likely completely destroy the house then charge her for it. Then will be the years long lawsuits against him. After which it will be revealed he has no money. She will simply loose big time. Anyway, considering she rented the property out even in America you couldn't just force them out. It really depends on the State but generally you have to give at least a 30 day notice of eviction being properly documented with a civil court. There is no CASTLE doctrine she could have used if this had happened in America since she rented the property out to him.

[QUOTE=Lonestriper;42282075]The court case will inevitably take years when the guy claims his person can't be tried under admiralty law and the court doesn't have jurisdiction over him repeatedly. Poor lady[/QUOTE] Does this mean the movement is actually on to something?

[QUOTE=JustExtreme;42282335]Does this mean the movement is actually on to something?[/QUOTE]Usually they just deluge the courts in bullshit until they decide they can't be arsed dealing with them.

[quote=wikipedia]"Freemen on the land" are people who claim that [B]all statute law is contractual[/B], and that such law is [B]applicable only if an individual consents to be governed by it[/B]. They believe that they can therefore declare themselves independent of government jurisdiction, holding that the only "true" law is common law, as they define it. The "Freeman on the land" movement has its origins in various United States-based groups in the 1970s and 1980s, reaching Ireland and the United Kingdom soon after 2000.[/quote] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemen_on_the_land[/url] Pffwhat?? So it literally is, as another poster said "I won't follow this law because I don't feel like it"

[QUOTE=Lonestriper;42282075]The court case will inevitably take years when the guy claims his person can't be tried under admiralty law and the court doesn't have jurisdiction over him repeatedly. Poor lady[/QUOTE] And this won't be the last. They're increasing in number, these scum.

[quote]The warning goes on to claim trademarks on the name "Andreas Pirelli" and "The First Nations Sovran Embassy of Earth" and says publishing them "is an infringement of our copyrights, and are subject to trespass of our personal property."[/quote] I love this. This fucker is claiming to be an independent entity and he can't even spell sovereign. "I AM A SOVRAN CITIZEN AND THIS IS NOW MY EM-BASSY, THIS AIN'T YOUR HOUSE NO MORE" And now I'm thinking of Mass Effect.

[QUOTE=Last or First;42282454]I love this. This fucker is claiming to be an independent entity and he can't even spell sovereign. "I AM A SOVRAN CITIZEN AND THIS IS NOW MY EM-BASSY, THIS AIN'T YOUR HOUSE NO MORE" And now I'm thinking of Mass Effect.[/QUOTE] Given that it's sovereigns we're talking here, this might not be a misspelling; they've a whole list of arcane terms with with even more bizarre meanings.

[QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;42282374]And this won't be the last. They're increasing in number, these scum.[/QUOTE] Whats fucked up is how they can turn a 10$ license renewal dispute into a decade long war with thousands of pages of legal work.

At first I thought it said [QUOTE]SYLVAN LAKE, Alta. — An Alberta prisoner says she feels like a prisoner[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Rangergxi;42282497]Whats fucked up is how they can turn a 10$ license renewal dispute into a decade long war with thousands of pages of legal work.[/QUOTE] Headaches for everyone

This whole sovereign citizens movement is such a load of bollocks. Its nearly as bad as that movement based on the idea that if you didn't explicitly agree to a law the government cannot use it on you.

[QUOTE=Jsm;42282525]This whole sovereign citizens movement is such a load of bollocks. Its nearly as bad as that movement based on the idea that if you didn't explicitly agree to a law the government cannot use it on you.[/QUOTE] Isn't that what they believe?

Somewhere, and don't get me wrong here, I'm happy to see people ACTIVELY trying to fix what to me seems like a corrupt, or atleast a broken system. [B]( Edit:[/B]As in the Netherlands, we never seem to do such a thing. And with a thing I mean like going on a strike. Not kicking out ladies of their houses.) Sadly, though, it's being done by a bunch of mentally incapacitated people who don't seem to see the difference in bringing to light a corrupt government, and kicking an old lady out of her house. [B]Edit:[/B] Altough this story does remind me of a video I saw of some (I believe they too where "Sovereign citizens") guy with his 16(ish) year old boy, who get pulled over in traffic, after which the son starts shooting at the police officers with a AK. [quote=splcenter.org]And in May 2010, Jerry and Joseph Kane, a father and son sovereign team, [URL="http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2010/fall/sovereign-citizen-kane"]shot to death two West Memphis, Ark., police officers[/URL] who had pulled them over in a routine traffic stop.[/quote] Think this one. [b]Edit:[/b] Horrible reading, rate more boxes.

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;42282364][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemen_on_the_land[/url] Pffwhat?? So it literally is, as another poster said "I won't follow this law because I don't feel like it"[/QUOTE]Wow....that's just fucking disgusting. I just don't understand....HOW can this be a thing? Being able to say "I don't like this law, therefore it doesn't apply to me" is fucking BULLSHIT of the highest standard.

[QUOTE=MyAlt91;42282560]Somewhere, and don't get me wrong here, I'm happy to see people ACTIVELY trying to fix what to me seems like a corrupt, or atleast a broken system. Sadly, though, it's being done by a bunch of mentally incapacitated people who don't seem to see the difference in bringing to light a corrupt government, and kicking an old lady out of her house.[/QUOTE] This isn't people trying to fix a corrupt/broken system; this is people trying to exploit what they believe to be a legal loophole.

[quote=Wiggles]This isn't people trying to fix a corrupt/broken system; this is people trying to exploit what they believe to be a legal loophole.[/quote] -Snip- Hmm, on second read trough, these people really have no sense of moral or righteousness. Note, i'm just TRYING to understand this whole sovereign movement, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense. At first I thought this was like a whole lot of paranoia and conspiracy theories gone completely awry. [editline]23rd September 2013[/editline] The whole point of "common law" confuses me though. Does "common law" not give people the right to their own home, and as such, deny people to do what this guy did? Did he not brake his own set of rules by doing this?

Sovereign citizens sound like more retarded versions of libertarians. I hope this legal loophole gets fixed and she gets her house back. You have to be a special kind of scum to truly believe you are right in taking an old lady's home.

Sovereign citizen? Enemy combatant.