• New Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull preferred over Bill Shorten - even by Labor voters
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[quote]IN an incredible early lift in the polls, a majority of Labor voters said Malcolm Turnbull is a better Prime Minister over Bill Shorten A snap Morgan poll conducted today on who Australian voters think is the better PM found Mr Turnbull is preferred by 70 per cent of voters compared to 24 per cent for Bill Shorten. The special Snap SMS poll of 1204 voters also found a majority of Labor supporters say Mr Turnbull is the better leader, with 50 per cent supporting him compared to 44 per cent supporting Opposition Leader Bill Shorten. “Turnbull leads clearly amongst both genders, across all States and Territories and leads Shorten across supporters of both major parties,” Gary Morgan said. “Greens supporters have also swung behind the new Prime Minister: Turnbull 57 per cent; Shorten 38 per cent.’’ The early numbers in Mr Turnbull’s favour come after he faced his first revolt with three Nationals crossing the floor of the Senate to vote against the government.[/quote] [url]http://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/liberal-leadership-malcolm-turnbull-takes-over-as-prime-minister/story-fnii5v6w-1227527570649?utm_content=SocialFlow&utm_campaign=EditorialSF&utm_source=News.com.au&utm_medium=Facebook[/url]
I don't even know what Shorten looks like or what his policies are.
I find it hilarious how Facepunch was so hyped about Abbott gone I was under the impression you all wanted the Coalition to lose.
[QUOTE=Tasm;48687322]I find it hilarious how Facepunch was so hyped about Abbott gone I was under the impression you all wanted the Coalition to lose.[/QUOTE] It's not that hard to understand - it's sort of a personal revenge thing. People hated abbott so wanted to see him gone. In the long term it's bad for Australia if the coalition is allowed a second term with their current policy base - In the long term this is also better because it means labor will actually have to make an effort to win the election. Shorten will probably be replaced sooner rather than later
[QUOTE=killerteacup;48687505]It's not that hard to understand - it's sort of a personal revenge thing. People hated abbott so wanted to see him gone. In the long term it's bad for Australia if the coalition is allowed a second term with their current policy base - In the long term this is also better because it means labor will actually have to make an effort to win the election. Shorten will probably be replaced sooner rather than later[/QUOTE] Personal hate for a politician who isn't independent is pretty remarkably dumb and naive.
[QUOTE=Tasm;48687322]I find it hilarious how Facepunch was so hyped about Abbott gone I was under the impression you all wanted the Coalition to lose.[/QUOTE] Well your impression was wrong.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;48690257]Well your impression was wrong.[/QUOTE] yeah in your case lol I'd dearly like the coalition to lose [QUOTE=Tasm;48690014]Personal hate for a politician who isn't independent is pretty remarkably dumb and naive.[/QUOTE] That's the Australian public for you, what the hell did you expect [editline]16th September 2015[/editline] You literally cannot escape the fact that most people in Australia consider their choice of leader important despite it not having a significant effect on policy [editline]16th September 2015[/editline] Same for Britain, America, and every other country in the world. It might be dumb but it's completely and utterly mainstream
Sorry but the leader in British politics has very big effect on policy...
[QUOTE=killerteacup;48690273]yeah in your case lol I'd dearly like the coalition to lose That's the Australian public for you, what the hell did you expect [editline]16th September 2015[/editline] You literally cannot escape the fact that most people in Australia consider their choice of leader important despite it not having a significant effect on policy [editline]16th September 2015[/editline] Same for Britain, America, and every other country in the world. It might be dumb but it's completely and utterly mainstream[/QUOTE] I think the leader can have some influence, especially as they appoint the cabinet (of course they can't just pick who they like, but they have some flexibility). However no one should expect much during this term of government because he's bound by previous Abbott policies (if he just started changing them, he'd be accused of making captain's calls - which he said he wouldn't do) and he's bound to the conservative faction of the Liberals - who's support he had to gain to take over from Abbott. He's also bound to the coalition agreement with the Nationals, who are also conservative. Of course, real change is possible if they are re-elected. Both the leader and deputy leader are small-l liberals and I'd expect the new cabinet to also be comprised of many others in the liberal faction.
The leader is supposed to represent the views of the party.
Everyone's full of hope right now but it won't last. Bill Shorten will never be a popular candidate though.
[QUOTE=download;48690865]The leader is supposed to represent the views of the party.[/QUOTE] The leader appoints the cabinet, which then makes the views of the party
[QUOTE=Antdawg;48690257]Well your impression was wrong.[/QUOTE] Good. Glad someone has sense here. Except now that this has happened, I don't know what turd to swallow. Malcolm played this out very well, he knew if he leaked bills being merely proposed which hasn't been refined he could kill Abbott's popularity, and assume office with support of opinion polls. Smart ambitious man, albeit very self centered, it was pretty disgusting ousting Abbott so close to his pm pension, probably did it to spite him too. Regardless of my disdain for Abbott as a leader, I think that was quite harsh, he did serve the time almost, but a rogue member sabotaged him. I think Abbott made a great opposition leader but a not so great PM.
[QUOTE=Tasm;48694008]Regardless of my disdain for Abbott as a leader, I think that was quite harsh, [/QUOTE] I agree. I disliked him but I did feel kind of sorry for him when he was only 4 days away from it. I wouldn't stay that Abbott was an idiot or didn't know anything, but he just had a really really shitty way with words
Dump Shorten and have Tanya lead the Labor party and everyone would jump on Labor, in the end fuck Turnbull and fuck the Liberal/Labor Party.
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