DARPA successful in assisting Sarif industries developing artificial limbs - Polidicks

[quote]A team of researchers at the Rehabilitation Institute of Chicago (RIC) demonstrated a type of peripheral interface called targeted muscle re-innervation (TMR). By rewiring nerves from amputated limbs, new interfaces allow for prosthetic control with existing muscles. Former Army Staff Sgt. Glen Lehman, injured in Iraq, recently demonstrated improved TMR technology. In the following video, Lehman demonstrates simultaneous joint control of a prosthetic arm made possible by support from the RE-NET program.[/quote] [video=youtube;u8KkvZvVVI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-u8KkvZvVVI[/video] [img]http://images.gizmag.com/gallery_lrg/renet-0.jpg[/img] Source: [url]http://www.darpa.mil/NewsEvents/Releases/2013/05/30.aspx?utm_source=feedly[/url]

Better get that Neuropozyne ready.

[QUOTE=wulfe8857;41587006]Better get that Neuropozyne ready.[/QUOTE] Rev up those illuminatis, Jensen!!

Man this stuff is so fucking cool. The first chance I get I'm replacing everything in my body with metal.

You can see the awkwardness in using it, but I'm sure it's a massive improvement over any previous technology.

[QUOTE=Dirf;41587033]Man this stuff is so fucking cool. The first chance I get I'm replacing everything in my body with metal.[/QUOTE] ha have fun never swimming ever again

I'll take this moment to reiterate: my cousin is pretty much doing her PhD on PEDOT clusters. Or neuropozyne. Basically PEDOT clusters with neuropozyne.

[QUOTE=Dirf;41587033]Man this stuff is so fucking cool. The first chance I get I'm replacing everything in my body with metal.[/QUOTE] What a shitty attitude

man screw this where are my artificial eyes

I sometimes can't tell if some Facepunchers are being serious or not when they read things like this and want to have parts of their body replaced with artificial parts. I assume those that say this have perfectly functioning limbs and no physical disabilities. So I ask, why?

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;41587081]What a shitty attitude[/QUOTE] Why? Having super strength and the ability to run faster than any olympic athlete ever could sounds pretty awesome to me.

When people say "Man, I want bionic limbs" they generally aren't talking about current level of technology, they're talking about artificial limbs that fully replicate (and exceed) the functionality of their current limbs. Artificial legs that look and behave the same as normal legs, but let you run faster for longer are obviously an attractive idea, etc.

[QUOTE=Antdawg;41587126]I sometimes can't tell if some Facepunchers are being serious or not when they read things like this and want to have parts of their body replaced with artificial limbs. I assume those that say this have perfectly functioning limbs as nature intended and not any physical disability. So I ask, why?[/QUOTE] Because metal is stronger than flesh.

it's so close.. so.. so close..

I don't really see why it would take 100 years for it to take off. I would only give it 20 years max.

[QUOTE=Dirf;41587137]Why? Having super strength and the ability to run faster than any olympic athlete ever could sounds pretty awesome to me.[/QUOTE] Okay, that's neato, but when people start looking at a crippled man whose condition is somewhat mitigated by an awkward prosthetic limb, and see that as the ideal, as if their own body is some shitty dispensable thing, it's pretty fucking stupid.

I didn't ask for this.

I wonder how far along we are with growing complex organs (such as a whole arm + hand) and neural mapping. This is some heavy science [del]fiction[/del] stuff!

damn darpa is cool

[QUOTE=LoLWaT?;41587148]It wouldn't make sense right now, or even in a few decades. But even with a perfectly functioning 'human' body there are still some things you aren't capable of doing that could be done with an artificial one. There are pros and cons to each side, and it all comes down to personal preference really. Trust me in about 100 years when this stuff finally starts taking off, it's going to become a thing. It may be science fiction right now, but that stuff tends to bleed into reality.[/QUOTE] you didn't even answer the question [B]what benefits would high quality prosthetic limbs even give, and why would you want to undergo a multitude of costly and invasive procedures for it?[/B] have you ever thought to yourself: 'gee, I wish I ran on batteries and constantly had to worry about having power', or 'boy, I wish I had to perform time consuming maintenance just to keep my limbs running'? what if there's a blackout and you can't recharge, or you're stranded in the wilderness? also you can never go back since you'd literally be cutting your arms off, and even hundreds of years in the future prosthetics will never have the same amount of fine motor control and sense of touch/balance as your real limbs [editline]25th July 2013[/editline] honestly I think regrowing real limbs via stem cell reasearch is likely to be more successful by the time prosthetics are any good

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;41587189]Okay, that's neato, but when people start looking at a crippled man whose condition is somewhat mitigated by an awkward prosthetic limb, and see that as the ideal, as if their own body is some shitty dispensable thing, it's pretty fucking stupid.[/QUOTE] I probably should have clarified earlier. This technology in it's current state is really basic and utilitarian. Right now, these limbs are designed for people with disabilities. But further into the future when artificial limbs go above and beyond the performance of natural limbs will be when I start considering replacements. I doubt even my kids will be alive to see that day though.

[QUOTE=krail9;41587227]even hundreds of years in the future prosthetics will never have the same amount of fine motor control and sense of touch/balance as your real limbs[/QUOTE] I don't know, hundreds of years in the future is a long god-damn time.

[QUOTE=Levithan;41587248]I don't know, hundreds of years in the future is a long god-damn time.[/QUOTE] yeah my point there is that other technologies are just as likely by that stage like what if you can take a pill and suddenly become built as fuck? or some type of genetic modification that makes our muscles more efficient and hence far stronger

[QUOTE=LoLWaT?;41587206]Take a look at my post above. It isn't ideal now, but it probably will be in the distant future. And the fleshy bodies we have aren't perfect either. Not even close. There is going to be a time where we surpass it and make something better.[/QUOTE] That sounds really fucking bad to me. =\

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;41587055]You can see the awkwardness in using it, but I'm sure it's a massive improvement over any previous technology.[/QUOTE] This is actually all preexisting shit from a decade ago given a different name. That video's using off-the-shelf parts and the control method was pioneered back in the early 2000s. Targeted muscle reinnervation as a technique predates some of the people posting in this thread if I had to guess. The massive improvement is all on the code end of things.

[QUOTE=LoLWaT?;41587286] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AoRmlAZVTs[/media] [/QUOTE] I love this video, great fun to watch, awesome technology.

[quote]What a shitty attitude [/quote] [QUOTE=Antdawg;41587126]I sometimes can't tell if some Facepunchers are being serious or not when they read things like this and want to have parts of their body replaced with artificial parts. I assume those that say this have perfectly functioning limbs and no physical disabilities. So I ask, why?[/QUOTE] The mind and consciousness are a substantial miracle of nature. However with that said, our bodies are weak and frail. Our bodies die in conditions that differ even slightly from our comfortable habitat, we a prone to disease, death from old age, etc. Even the form of our body itself is purposely compromised in order to support our minds, we are currently at the maximum capacity/optimization for what a biological body can support. It's sort of a sad reality given the power of our minds, consciousness and imagination; to essentially be imprisoned in a body that can break so easily. It's just a pipe dream at the moment, but as far as the future goes, I don't see a problem with altering our physical forms in order to enhance our ability to learn, live, observe and explore. Our natural body is just a compromised and restricted vessel for our enormous mind and consciousness. Why shouldn't we be able to enhance our bodies and maybe even cognitive abilities? In cases where bodies can be entirely replaced, being able to survive in the vacuum of space or on the surface of another planet "in the flesh" might even be a feasible possibility. When it comes down to it, in some twist of irony, our ultimate purpose in human existence might just to be to usher in synthetic and hybrid lifeforms, as they have far more potential and are far more resilient than biological lifeforms, and yet they are too complex to reach genesis without the aid of biological life forms. [editline]25th July 2013[/editline] With that said though, what I'm referring to is waaay the fuck off in the future. It'll be a long time still before enough is understood about biological systems, neurology and advanced robotics to be able to make massive synthetic alterations to the natural human body. At this point in time it obviously wouldn't make sense to lop your arms off and replace them with shittier robotic ones.

now, i'm probably a bit (read: very) sheltered from this sort of thing because i don't actively read about it but that video blew my fucking mind

[QUOTE=RichyZ;41587139]i don't quite get why people are still developing humanlike limbs when they could be trying to make more useful or utilitarian ones yeah a hand with 10 small but strong grippy fingers might make you look a little rough but hey it works better[/QUOTE] It comes from the desire to be human again.

[QUOTE=Fourm Shark;41587473]Trans-humanism and/or serious biological augments are the future. When we discover the way to eliminate aging, bodily damage, or just improve on natural body parts through augments, whether biological or machine based, I am sure as hell people would be willing to trade in pieces of their bodies to attain these things.[/QUOTE] What you just described isn't transhumanism, it's that shallow and self-centered thing people who grew up with cyborgs in media think transhumanism is. Things break. Organs, machines, stars, doesn't matter. We will never "eliminate aging" and thinking you're part of a movement because you want to be immortal is ridiculous. Same for wanting super-powered limbs or any number of other "improvements" that are really just half-baked justifications for daydreaming about superpowers. Similarly any and all talk that starts with lopping limbs off ends with stupidity, nobody is ever going to trade nerds shitty fat-laden asses for shiny metal ones and it reflects a mindset still focused on classical notions of what constitutes a human. The future of mankind is not what a bunch of manchildren who played Deus Ex jack off to.