Spiegel: NATO unprepared if Russia moved into Baltic members - Polidicks

[IMG]http://www.dw.de/image/0,,17588592_303,00.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE][B]According to the German magazine Spiegel, NATO is examining scenarios in the event of a Russian military move in Eastern Europe. Alarm bells are already ringing in eastern states, and NATO is keen to show it could cope.[/B][/QUOTE] [QUOTE]The article, which appeared in [URL="http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/russland-nato-bei-angriff-in-ukraine-krise-nur-bedingt-abwehrbereit-a-969997.html"]Spiegel's online edition in German[/URL] on Sunday, cites an internal North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) draft document pertaining to discussions occurring within the military alliance and among individual members about possible scenarios if Russia were to launch a military campaign in Eastern Europe.The draft document arrives at the conclusion that Russia's ability to "execute a significant military action without much warning poses a wide-reaching threat for maintaining safety and stability in the Euro-Atlantic zone." NATO has observed a Russian [URL="http://www.dw.de/aging-russian-military-scales-up-rearmament/a-17642165"]troop buildup[/URL] near its border with Ukraine, but Russia claims it has no current plans for a military move. Ukraine is not a member of NATO, but the alliance is keen to show that it can [URL="http://www.dw.de/opinion-nato-needs-to-rethink-its-strategy/a-17614273"]effectively defend its Baltic members[/URL] should the need arise.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.dw.de/spiegel-nato-unprepared-if-russia-moved-into-baltic-members/a-17643795?maca=en-rss-en-eu-2092-rdf&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed[/url]

Get me Rambo!

[t]http://www.dw.de/image/0,,17590453_303,00.jpg[/t] Oh god, this photo from one of the articles mentioned can get more badass only by getting an explosion on the background. Really, it's hilarious how much it's composition resembles a poster of some action movie.

[QUOTE=antianan;44839637] Oh god, this photo from one of the articles mentioned can get more badass only by getting an explosion on the background. Really, it's hilarious how much it's composition resembles a poster of some action movie.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/SsDnn.png[/IMG] We're screwed.

Of course NATO is unprepared for such an insane move without provocation.

[QUOTE=antianan;44839637][t]http://www.dw.de/image/0,,17590453_303,00.jpg[/t] Oh god, this photo from one of the articles mentioned can get more badass only by getting an explosion on the background. Really, it's hilarious how much it's composition resembles a poster of some action movie.[/QUOTE] It was taken by a photograph, it was made to look like that. It's however very unthreatening how he reminds me of Bush.

Isn't der Spiegel Germany's daily mail? They even call themselves a news magazine instead of a newspaper, because they're legally not allowed to call themselves a newspaper. EDIT: right, it was Bild. My mistake.

[QUOTE=deltasquid;44839876]Isn't der Spiegel Germany's daily mail? They even call themselves a news magazine instead of a newspaper, because they're legally not allowed to call themselves a newspaper.[/QUOTE] I think you mean the Bild, as far asI know Spiegel actually provides quite decent articles.

[QUOTE=deltasquid;44839876]Isn't der Spiegel Germany's daily mail? They even call themselves a news magazine instead of a newspaper, because they're legally not allowed to call themselves a newspaper.[/QUOTE] Der Spiegel Online is maybe a bit left-ish but otherwise a very decent news source. [URL="https://www.google.de/search?q=bild+zeitung&client=firefox-beta&hs=uAi&rls=org.mozilla:de:official&channel=sb&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=JLV4U--HOY3e7Aa5nYCYBg&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1721&bih=1084"]Bild[/URL] on the other hand is a good contestant for the worst tabloid on the planet, considering that they regularly break laws and show no signs of decency whatsoever. [editline]18th May 2014[/editline] Magazine just means that the [URL="https://www.google.de/search?q=spiegel&client=firefox-beta&hs=99h&rls=org.mozilla:de:official&channel=sb&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=9bR4U4m8EM_G7Abr8IGABQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAg&biw=1721&bih=1084#channel=sb&q=spiegel+magazin&rls=org.mozilla:de:official&tbm=isch"]print edition[/URL] appears not as loose sheets but on glossy paper held together by tacks. They do that because they have colour pictures on the stories, but it's high-quality and not sensationalist.

[QUOTE=Valiantttt;44839717]Of course NATO is unprepared for such an insane move without provocation.[/QUOTE] It's irksome that people have such a belief that their militaries have god-like abilities to sweep up any opposition with no issue at all in just a matter of moments, anywhere in the world, when reality just isn't like that.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;44840211]It's irksome that people have such a belief that their militaries have god-like abilities to sweep up any opposition with no issue at all in just a matter of moments, anywhere in the world, when reality just isn't like that.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't be surprised if Russia got to Germany in a few months. Most NATO nations have severely limited there militaries expecting the US to pick up the slack.

[QUOTE=Swilly;44841497]I wouldn't be surprised if Russia got to Germany in a few months. Most NATO nations have severely limited there militaries expecting the US to pick up the slack.[/QUOTE] I think you overestimate Russia and underestimate the US. For example. Let's say this is a completely both sides staring each other down attack. Russia borders 5 NATO countries (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Norway). Russia's army is strong, but Poland isn't a pushover, especially considering Russia can only get weaker as NATO can only get stronger. This excludes the fact that Russia would have to be busy elsewhere (China, Japan, South Korea, NORTHCOM, Turkey), and the fact that their allies would be weakly inclined to join with what they have.

Russia would be destroyed if it attacked a NATO country, they'll never do that. Non NATO countries in eastern Europe are vulnerable though. And not because NATO can't do anything, but because NATO won't want to do anything. It will be up to the people in those countries to fight a guerrilla war against Russia if Russia invaded them. NATO would probably supply them in that case, but not fight for them. Germany having ten times more tanks wasn't going to help Ukraine at all since the Germans aren't going to send them to fight for Ukraine. I'll believe Putin is crazy enough to attack a NATO country when I see it.

[QUOTE=antianan;44839637][t]http://www.dw.de/image/0,,17590453_303,00.jpg[/t] Oh god, this photo from one of the articles mentioned can get more badass only by getting an explosion on the background. Really, it's hilarious how much it's composition resembles a poster of some action movie.[/QUOTE] Personally I prefer [IMG]http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/01764/Boss_M_1764894a.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;44842240]Russia would be destroyed if it attacked a NATO country, they'll never do that. Non NATO countries in eastern Europe are vulnerable though. And not because NATO can't do anything, but because NATO won't want to do anything. It will be up to the people in those countries to fight a guerrilla war against Russia if Russia invaded them. NATO would probably supply them in that case, but not fight for them. Germany having ten times more tanks wasn't going to help Ukraine at all since the Germans aren't going to send them to fight for Ukraine. I'll believe Putin is crazy enough to attack a NATO country when I see it.[/QUOTE] I can see Russia winning in the short-term beginning and gaining a lot of ground, but I seriously doubt they could hold on for a long time while being hammered at. [editline]18th May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Eudoxia;44842272]Personally I prefer [IMG]http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/01764/Boss_M_1764894a.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Off to the underwater secret lair to plot against double-o seven once more.

[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;44842240]Russia would be destroyed if it attacked a NATO country, they'll never do that. Non NATO countries in eastern Europe are vulnerable though. And not because NATO can't do anything, but because NATO won't want to do anything. It will be up to the people in those countries to fight a guerrilla war against Russia if Russia invaded them. NATO would probably supply them in that case, but not fight for them. Germany having ten times more tanks wasn't going to help Ukraine at all since the Germans aren't going to send them to fight for Ukraine. I'll believe Putin is crazy enough to attack a NATO country when I see it.[/QUOTE] Yeah, this isn't 1950 anymore. If Russia invades any non-NATO country, the UN won't come save them, they're fucked as fucked can be. We're so content with our relative peace that we'll let them do just about anything as long as it isn't attack us directly.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;44842571]Yeah, this isn't 1950 anymore. If Russia invades any non-NATO country, the UN won't come save them, they're fucked as fucked can be. We're so content with our relative peace that we'll let them do just about anything as long as it isn't attack us directly.[/QUOTE] I find the idea of UN 'attempting' something if Russia goes berserk highly amusing given that Russia is on the Security Council.

Calm down ladies you have no clue what's been cooking in the military arms tech for the past decades. NATO vs Russia aint gonna happen simply because of the utter destruction it would provoke, none of the combatants would gain anything.

[QUOTE=godfatherk;44842635]Calm down ladies you have no clue what's been cooking in the military arms tech for the past decades. NATO vs Russia aint gonna happen simply because of the utter destruction it would provoke, none of the combatants would gain anything.[/QUOTE] No one starts a war believing they won't gain anything out of it. If some think they can win, they'll go for it, regardless of the reality. Regardless of that, I don't foresee a NATO vs. Russia conflict any time soon.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;44842605]I find the idea of UN 'attempting' something if Russia goes berserk highly amusing given that Russia is on the Security Council.[/QUOTE] They acted in the Korean War, and North Korea had Stalin's blessings when he invaded South Korea. Soviet Pilots in support of North Korea actually engaged UN Pilots, one of the few times in the Cold War where we directly fought Soviet troops.

[QUOTE=Eudoxia;44842272]Personally I prefer [IMG]http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/01764/Boss_M_1764894a.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] That face is like so: "There is certainly no way you can stop me now, Mr Bond *Insert crappy one liner here*"