• Shenmue 3 sets new funding record on Kickstarter
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[url]http://www.videogamer.com/ps4/shenmue_3/news/shenmue_3_sets_new_funding_record_on_kickstarter.html[/url] nothing much in the article, so it's copied all of it [quote]Shenmue 3 has set a new funding record in Kickstarter's video games category, overtaking Koji Igarashi's Bloodstained. Bloodstained closed on $5,545,991. With 13 hours remaining Ys Net now has its sights set on $6 million which would unlock an advanced battle system. Earlier today Yu Suzuki put out a video plea encouraging fans to help make the Shenmue 3 dream a reality, and it appears to have done the trick. Payment will be taken from backers once the Kickstarter closes, with the full game scheduled to arrive in 2017.[/quote] it's at $6.1 mill with just about 90 mins left. Sadly it might not beat ouya.
I love how this kickstarter was legitimately started by Sony to see if enough people were interested in the game to fund it, despite $6.1 million being a lot it isn't nearly enough to make a game of this scale, Shenmue 2 for comparison cost between $47 and $70 million to make, and that was in 2001. With the increase of detail in games over the past 14 years, I really doubt $6.1 million will even make a dent in the cost of the game, which is why I honestly believe the kickstarter was more of a confirmation than anything else. [quote=Wikipedia] The game became the most expensive video game ever developed at the time, reported to have cost Sega $70 million. In 2011, Suzuki said the figure was closer to $47 million including marketing.[/quote] Don't get me wrong, I love Shenmue and can't wait for the third one, but I just think its a little shady that they had to make a kickstarter for it to prove people wanted it, even though I know people have been hoping for it for almost 14 years. Unless they seriously expected to raise over $100 million with a kickstarter, it just seems a little odd to me that they even did it in the first place, its like an over-glorified preordering system for the game.
[QUOTE=tarkata14;48233800]I love how this kickstarter was legitimately started by Sony to see if enough people were interested in the game to fund it, despite $6.1 million being a lot it isn't nearly enough to make a game of this scale, Shenmue 2 for comparison cost between $47 and $70 million to make, and that was in 2001. With the increase of detail in games over the past 14 years, I really doubt $6.1 million will even make a dent in the cost of the game, which is why I honestly believe the kickstarter was more of a confirmation than anything else. Don't get me wrong, I love Shenmue and can't wait for the third one, but I just think its a little shady that they had to make a kickstarter for it to prove people wanted it, even though I know people have been hoping for it for almost 14 years. Unless they seriously expected to raise over $100 million with a kickstarter, it just seems a little odd to me that they even did it in the first place, its like an over-glorified preordering system for the game.[/QUOTE] It's just extra money for them to pocket tbh.
I think it was a fantastic idea to test the water before plunging ~$70 mill into a project, very good way of measuring demand. Now they know how popular it is they will invest much more and create a better game - yeah the money from the kickstarter is peanuts, but if it had only just met it's goal you can bet that they'd have invested a lot less into the development themselves.
[QUOTE=fragger0;48236315]I think it was a fantastic idea to test the water before plunging ~$70 mill into a project, very good way of measuring demand. Now they know how popular it is they will invest much more and create a better game - yeah the money from the kickstarter is peanuts, but if it had only just met it's goal you can bet that they'd have invested a lot less into the development themselves.[/QUOTE] Doing a "gauge of interest" through crowdfunding is unethical and shady as fuck.
[QUOTE=tarkata14;48233800]I love how this kickstarter was legitimately started by Sony to see if enough people were interested in the game to fund it, despite $6.1 million being a lot it isn't nearly enough to make a game of this scale, Shenmue 2 for comparison cost between $47 and $70 million to make, and that was in 2001. With the increase of detail in games over the past 14 years, I really doubt $6.1 million will even make a dent in the cost of the game, which is why I honestly believe the kickstarter was more of a confirmation than anything else. Don't get me wrong, I love Shenmue and can't wait for the third one, but I just think its a little shady that they had to make a kickstarter for it to prove people wanted it, even though I know people have been hoping for it for almost 14 years. Unless they seriously expected to raise over $100 million with a kickstarter, it just seems a little odd to me that they even did it in the first place, its like an over-glorified preordering system for the game.[/QUOTE] Except that's not why they did it at all. The game is obviously already in development. They weren't gauging anything, they were getting sweet free advertising. [editline]18th July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=fragger0;48236315]I think it was a fantastic idea to test the water before plunging ~$70 mill into a project, very good way of measuring demand. Now they know how popular it is they will invest much more and create a better game - yeah the money from the kickstarter is peanuts, but if it had only just met it's goal you can bet that they'd have invested a lot less into the development themselves.[/QUOTE] Except that's sadly not how it works at all. If anything, they will think "ohh, people are willing to buy this without even seeing anything of the actual product, we don't really have to worry about the quality, just make to sure it releases in time for me to pocket my manager bonus from the sales".
I just think it's a smart move. If the kickstarter hadn't gained as much traction then they wouldn't put in as much funding themselves thus the game would be lesser in quality and content. Now they know to pile loads of money into it because the audience for it is massive. [editline]18th July 2015[/editline] For example, if microsoft had done a similar thing with banjo kazooie then they'd have realised how big the audience is and made a new one - with considerably less risk for the company.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;48233822]It's essentially guilting people into a preorder. They wouldn't have put it on the mainstage if they knew people wouldn't buy it.[/QUOTE] Guilting? These were people who were probably already going to pre-order. [editline]18th July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Awesomecaek;48236667]Except that's not why they did it at all. The game is obviously already in development. They weren't gauging anything, they were getting sweet free advertising. [/QUOTE] You mean like every game ever developed ever? Most successful kickstarters have working alphas of the game to show and represent the potential if they could get more funding. Stop acting like this is any different.
While I don't care for the kickstarting method over all, I am okay with dead franchises using this as a way to get games made.
All I care about is whether the final product will be amazing and live up to today's standards.
[QUOTE=Cmx;48236544]Doing a "gauge of interest" through crowdfunding is unethical and shady as fuck.[/QUOTE] Not if it's done well. In this case the game would be made regardless if they reached their goal or not, but they wouldn't get any extra funding if they didn't - or at least not from Sony. They blew well past their initial expectations, showing there was a massive interest in the game which means Sony can plunge their own money into it as well. All of which are good things.
I feel like Sony predicted they would get more money by hyping it off E3.
The backlash this Kickstarter got was retarded, to put it bluntly, especially because none of it made much sense if you think about it and a lot of it was just concern trolling. It's as simple as this: Do you guys really think this game, a famously niche title and notorious money pit, would have been made regardless if even its small yet devoted fanbase wasn't able to reach the funding goal? Give me a fucking break. I'm glad the community was able to put their money where their mouth is and make it happen. I couldn't care less if they secure money from outside sources too. Why on Earth would I give a shit? I've waited fifteen years for this and I'm more than fine with them getting as much money as possible from all venues and making the best game they can. There's this need for everything to be a scandal or a conspiracy or something when it comes to video games because everyone just loves drama but whatever. I'm getting Shenmue 3.
[QUOTE=Coyoteze;48238406]Not if it's done well. In this case the game would be made regardless if they reached their goal or not, but they wouldn't get any extra funding if they didn't - or at least not from Sony. They blew well past their initial expectations, showing there was a massive interest in the game which means Sony can plunge their own money into it as well. All of which are good things.[/QUOTE] None of those things are good. It's still shady and despicable that they are crowdfounding the game
[QUOTE=EliteGuy;48239646]None of those things are good. It's still shady and despicable that they are crowdfounding the game[/QUOTE] Not really. If it didn't reach its minimum target, it would not get any kickstarter money and I assume Sony would be like "okay, there really isn't any or much interest in this" and that would be the end. Its obvious now that there is an interest in the game, so its going to be made, the kickstarter money is going to be put into it, and Sony is going to back it. What is unethical about it?
[QUOTE=Apollo;48239397]Do you guys really think this game, a famously niche title and notorious money pit, would have been made regardless if even its small yet devoted fanbase wasn't able to reach the funding goal? Give me a fucking break.[/QUOTE] Do you think Sony, one of the largest game publishers on the planet would let someone come on their stage, on their show with them not having any faith in the game? Why would they ask for such a low amount of money that couldn't even fund a duck hunt remake let alone a full open RPG. They made the kickstarter to spread word of mouth "Hey shenmue 3 needs backing or it wont be made" when it was clear from the start that it was going to be funded fully without any help. They used this kickstarter as an advertising tool, and the backers were the ones who paid for it hook line and sinker.
[QUOTE=Cmx;48239673]Do you think Sony, one of the largest game publishers on the planet would let someone come on their stage, on their show with them not having any faith in the game? Why would they ask for such a low amount of money that couldn't even fund a duck hunt remake let alone a full open RPG. They made the kickstarter to spread word of mouth "Hey shenmue 3 needs backing or it wont be made" when it was clear from the start that it was going to be funded fully without any help. They used this kickstarter as an advertising tool, and the backers were the ones who paid for it hook line and sinker.[/QUOTE] Hmm, that is a good point. Not much I can say to it
Sony didn't launch the kickstarter, nor are they making the game. They just allowed the devs to use thier stage to market it.
I really don't get the logic behind people saying this was an interest test and that sony is now going to pump an absolute fuck ton of money into this. Nearly all of the people that were going to buy the game have now done so already. Anymore money you pump into this isn't gonna be recovered now, so why people think they're gonna give 50-70$ million is beyond me.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;48239931]They need to give more money than was put if the game is going to be even close to what they plan on it being.[/QUOTE] Or they're just gonna scale the game back a ton?? Yeah maybe sony will match their kickstarter level if they're really feeling generous, but just donating +$50 million on a game that's already made almost all of its revenue is a hell of a bizarre assumption people are making lol.
Shenmue, more like shenmoola
-snip even though i was quoted but i was wrong anyways-
[QUOTE=KingKombat;48257583]Sony didn't use Kickstarter to gauge interest, all the Kickstarter money is in fact going to fund the game, I thought that was an established fact. I read a few times in this thread that Sony's involvement was that they'd put in some funding to the game - which isn't true. They're going to market the game for them, while Ys uses the funds. This video explains it pretty well: [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Idw_IQx2L0g[/media][/QUOTE] Shibuya Productions' CEO (Cedric Biscay) said himself that Sony would directly help fund the game's development. In addition to advertising and other support. That also, is established fact.
[QUOTE=Worstcase;48257754]Shibuya Productions' CEO (Cedric Biscay) said himself that Sony would directly help fund the game's development. In addition to advertising and other support. That also, is established fact.[/QUOTE] oh shit man, i didn't know that. well thanks for the info, that's actually nice to know now.
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