Yes vote gains 8 point lead in Scottish Independence referendum. - Polidicks

[quote]A survey of 705 Scots by ICM for The Telegraph suggested that the Yes vote had opened up an eight-point lead over the No campaign. Results of the online poll showed 54 per cent of Scots who have made up their minds planned to vote in favour of independence, with 46 per cent intending to vote against.[/quote] [url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11094489/Scottish-independence-polls-show-its-too-close-to-call.html[/url] Additionally, a seperate PanelBase poll places the debate neck and neck. [quote]The Panelbase poll for the Sunday Times showed a rise in support for independence to 49 percent, up one point since last weekend, with pro-unionists at 51 percent.[/quote] [url]http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/09/14/scotland-independence-poll-panelbase-idINKBN0H901R20140914[/url] [img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxbU5K-CMAACsZ0.jpg[/img]

[url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1424497[/url] Wow, literally same thread title but opposite voting intention.

Can the news just say "We have no idea who has the majority" now?

I hope shit isn't going to go down between the separatists and the people who favor the UK. Essentially an outcome such as this one is very bad for a country if you'd ask me. [editline]14th September 2014[/editline] That said. I hope the Scots do what's best for them in the long run.

[QUOTE=Scientist2;45976111]I hope shit isn't going to go down between the separatists and the people who favor the UK. Essentially an outcome such as this one is very bad for a country if you'd ask me. [editline]14th September 2014[/editline] That said. I hope the Scots do what's best for them in the long run.[/QUOTE] Just going to say that 'No' is supported by the Orange Order. If anything goes down I'd imagine it would have been started by either the Orange Order or UKIP ([url=https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/510499529649836033]one of whom has already been arrested for assault[/url])

This is getting silly. Instead of being a sensible argument, it seems to have been turned into some kind of circus by both sides (and the media).

[QUOTE=Jcorp;45976120]This is getting silly. Instead of being a sensible argument, it seems to have been turned into some kind of circus by both sides (and the media).[/QUOTE] It's one of those things which will make both factions go absolutely apeshit and no matter the outcome the next day will be full of people saying "Well, we did it. Now what?"

Isn't there something about online polls being easily swayed though to give an inaccurate representation though?

700 people isn't that much , hence why each poll gives a different reading.

[QUOTE=Genericenemy;45976155]Isn't there something about online polls being easily swayed though to give an inaccurate representation though?[/QUOTE] Young voters are more likely to be online similar to older voters are more likely to have a landline phone. The older voters (predominantly no voters) were overrepresented in the other thread. [QUOTE=Instant Mix;45976173]700 people isn't that much , hence why each poll gives a different reading.[/QUOTE] The margin of error in yesterday's ICM poll is only 0.64% higher than the average margin of error.

getting a semi just thinking about the endless tears and moaning that will happen with either result atm

have we even decided on a new flag yet

[QUOTE=Cabbage;45976212]have we even decided on a new flag yet[/QUOTE] You could just use old Braveheart cinema posters

[QUOTE=Lonestriper;45976183]getting a semi just thinking about the endless tears and moaning that will happen with either result atm[/QUOTE] It'll be worse if it's no.

if i gets a NO vote, they'll hold it again in a couple of years and THEN it will be a YES

[QUOTE=Scot;45976225]It'll be worse if it's no.[/QUOTE] idk seeing David Cameron weep over the cold, dead corpse of the Union has a certain appeal to it too

[QUOTE=Lonestriper;45976238]idk seeing David Cameron weep over the cold, dead corpse of the Union has a certain appeal to it too[/QUOTE] If Scotland goes then Cameron's political career is completely over. He'll forever be remembered as the PM who ended the Union after centuries of being whole.

[QUOTE=Drsalvador;45976243]If Scotland goes then Cameron's political career is completely over. He'll forever be remembered as the PM who ended the Union after centuries of being whole.[/QUOTE] I hope not, letting Scotland decide their own future shouldn't be shameful at all and I respect how Cameron's handled this much more than I respect how Spain is handling/suppressing the Catalonian independence movement

[QUOTE=Drsalvador;45976243]If Scotland goes then Cameron's political career is completely over. He'll forever be remembered as the PM who ended the Union after centuries of being whole.[/QUOTE] Exactly, it'd be fantastic to watch.

if you're out in glasgow today, pass by george square. i was in town yesterday and the top of buchanan st was completely bouncing with live music, stalls, flyers, stickers - they ran out of badges pretty quickly [editline]14th September 2014[/editline] it's really clear who the momentum of the campaign is, when the positive case for the union is a guy in a scooter driving around covered in no stickers

[QUOTE=codenamecueball;45976310]if you're out in glasgow today, pass by george square. i was in town yesterday and the top of buchanan st was completely bouncing with live music, stalls, flyers, stickers - they ran out of badges pretty quickly [editline]14th September 2014[/editline] it's really clear who the momentum of the campaign is, when the positive case for the union is a guy in a scooter driving around covered in no stickers[/QUOTE] Aberdeen has a similar thing going on today. Not exactly sure where, but a bunch of my friends are going. (And it is really heartwarming how many of them are English or continental European and are going)

same in edinburgh in the meadows. english scots for yes have a big presence in the edinburgh stall scene

hmm [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/fcVvhqX.png[/IMG]

[QUOTE=smurfy;45976258]I hope not, letting Scotland decide their own future shouldn't be shameful at all and I respect how Cameron's handled this much more than I respect how Spain is handling/suppressing the Catalonian independence movement[/QUOTE] It doesn't really matter if it's Scotland deciding their own fate. People will remember that, under him, Scotland fucked off. And it'll absolutely kill him in the elections.

[QUOTE=codenamecueball;45976310]if you're out in glasgow today, pass by george square. i was in town yesterday and the top of buchanan st was completely bouncing with live music, stalls, flyers, stickers - they ran out of badges pretty quickly [editline]14th September 2014[/editline] it's really clear who the momentum of the campaign is, when the positive case for the union is a guy in a scooter driving around covered in no stickers[/QUOTE] I was there just an hour ago and there was a fairly large gathering of people. The real shit though is this gigantic parade going around the city like a mile long chanting "BBC shame on you". What exactly did the BBC do?

[QUOTE=Scot;45976697]I was there just an hour ago and there was a fairly large gathering of people. The real shit though is this gigantic parade going around the city like a mile long chanting "BBC shame on you". What exactly did the BBC do?[/QUOTE] Really bloody biased coverage of the whole Independence thing. If you google it, you'll find the interview that brought it all to a head. (BBC interviewer talking to Alex Salmond asked a question, got a 7 minute, clear answer, and then claimed later in the show that he hadn't got an answer. When in reality he had got an answer, it just wasn't one he, as a unionist, liked)

[QUOTE=Scot;45976697]I was there just an hour ago and there was a fairly large gathering of people. The real shit though is this gigantic parade going around the city like a mile long chanting "BBC shame on you". What exactly did the BBC do?[/QUOTE] they've been getting noticeably biased towards the No side as of late. It all got sparked off when Nick Robinson asked Salmond a question during a media conference, which salmond answered to a very lengthy extent, but in Robinsons report, it shows the question, then it just cuts to him saying he didn't answer the question, when he spent like ten minutes dissecting the question and answering it. The answer is here, [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHmLb-RIbrM[/media] Robinsons report is in the first 20seconds of this video [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_XhTALHQzI[/media] Loads of shit has been cropping up I've noticed now, most amusing is this one. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C18zpi2yBwE[/media]

Glasgow was electric yesterday. The Yes campaign has a much more positive message of hope and optimism, and I hope that'll win out on Thursday. [editline]14th September 2014[/editline] I might go join the BBC protests today as well, take some pictures to show you all later. [editline]14th September 2014[/editline] Can't embed since it's from Facebook, but here's what's going on just now. [url]https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10201686390879993[/url] [editline]14th September 2014[/editline] Here's a livestream from the BBC headquarters NOW: [url]http://new.livestream.com/IndependenceLive/BBCBiasV[/url]

[img]http://i.imgur.com/pKk2Xsu.png[/img] uwot

[QUOTE=Instant Mix;45976173]700 people isn't that much , hence why each poll gives a different reading.[/QUOTE] For the Scottish population 700 people is statistically significant. 95% confidence level and a 4% confidence interval means you only need 600 people to get an accurate reading (+ or - 4%). The reason there is so much variation is because both of them exclude people who are undecided and either the no poll doesn't include a number of people surveyed so it may have a similar number with a similar confidence interval, and they happen to have the same error in the opposite direction. So it's a dead heat! Or they're in the 5% instead of the 95% Anyway. People saying "omg, that number is way too low for a survey!!" are silly. Statistics work and they say you don't need many. 700 people can get the opinion of a population of almost 5 million reasonably accurately. 1400 even better yeah but 700 isn't "isn't that much" it's "statistically significant"