[quote]In an amendment to its tough gun control laws, the Russian government eases restrictions, allowing citizens to carry licensed weapons for the purposes of ‘self-defense.’
Until now Russian gun enthusiasts were only permitted to carry firearms for hunting or target shooting after obtaining a license through the Interior Ministry. Russian gun licenses are to be renewed every five years, and applicants face strict background checks and are required to take gun safety courses.
The addendum to the law now lists self-defense as a legally acceptable reason for carrying a weapon.
However, a 2011 Levada poll found that 81 percent of Russians opposed easing the existing gun regulations.
In spite of its restrictive gun laws, Russia has seen its share gun violence. In 2012, a 30 year old lawyer opened fire on his colleagues at a pharmaceutical company, killing six. Just last year, 15-year-old straight A student, Sergey Gordeyev, killed a teacher and a police officer after taking 29 students hostage.
The government’s press service underscored that carrying a weapon will remain prohibited at educational institutions, establishments which operate at night and serve alcohol, and mass public gatherings such as street demonstrations or protests. The legislation also forbids carrying a weapon while under the influence of alcohol.[/quote]
[url=http://rt.com/news/206703-russia-guns-self-defense/]Russia Today[/url]
See? Us Americans and Russians need to stick together, promoting the bastions of firearm freedoms across the merry world.... And of course, fuck the UN's Arms Treaty. Either way though, welcome to the fun club Russia.
and then some gun carrying [I]concerned citizens[/I] just so happen to [I]accidentaly[/I] cross into Ukraine
Ah, I see the Zone is increasing in size, you never know what you'll find there. Best to go prepared.
AKA "Too many people have them illegally for us to actually bother policing them, so fuggit"
Now if only they would do that here.
Here we go.
Wait for it.
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;46535946]Why allow people to carry firearms at all[/QUOTE]
HA THERE IT IS!
"Guns cause crime".
Up until now you've seen dashcam videos about angry russian drivers fighting each other. Now you will see angry russian drivers having a pistol duel.
"You cut me off and offended my honor. We shall fight to our death komrad!"
[QUOTE=kaizari;46535844]Up until now you've seen dashcam videos about angry russian drivers fighting each other. Now you will see angry russian drivers having a pistol duel.[/QUOTE]
I'm looking forward to Twisternederland's future videos.
These addendums only apply to basically 'traumatic' weapons ("self-defense-purposed weaponry with a limited range"). Got documents - you can carry a traumatic pistol on your person for reasons of self-defense. You can't carry a shotgun, only have it in your home in a safe containment. Or you can transport it (unloaded). And pistols you just straight-up can't have at all. Also can't carry cold weapons, such as knives, and you are barred from even having a baton. I wonder how heavy-duty flashlights aren't banned.
Basically, this law adds nothing and only clarifies a couple of things here and there. No much reason for the hype it received in media for some reason.
[QUOTE=kaizari;46535844]Up until now you've seen dashcam videos about angry russian drivers fighting each other. Now you will see angry russian drivers having a pistol duel.
"You cut me off and offended my honor. We shall fight to our death komrad!"[/QUOTE]
I've already seen those, guy got bumped lightly while he was walking across the street and he emptied an entire magazine into the back of the guy's car. I'll try to find the video.
[editline]20th November 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=gudman;46535901]These addendums only apply to basically 'traumatic' weapons ("self-defense-purposed weaponry with a limited range"). Got documents - you can carry a traumatic pistol on your person for reasons of self-defense. You can't carry a shotgun, only have it in your home in a safe containment. Or you can transport it (unloaded). And pistols you just straight-up can't have at all. Also can't carry cold weapons, such as knives, and you are barred from even having a baton. I wonder how heavy-duty flashlights aren't banned.
Basically, this law adds nothing and only clarifies a couple of things here and there. No much reason for the hype it received in media for some reason.[/QUOTE]
So what is ok? Are pepper spray and tasers classified as traumatic weapons?
Why allow people to carry firearms at all
[QUOTE=_Kent_;46535911]
So what is ok? Are pepper spray and tasers classified as traumatic weapons?[/QUOTE]
Yes. And smoothbore pistols that can only shoot rubber-bullets. And pistols that spray gas at hight velocity (never understood that one, pepper-spray works just as well). So yeah, sprays, tasers and rubber-bullets. Now we're allowed to have those concealed on our persons, god bless this country :downs: and with the exception of pepper-spray you'd also need to have a license to have and carry tasers and rubber-shooters :downs: that are only capable of slightly annoying and pissing off attacking thugs during winter due to being fucking useless :downs:
Stupid decision.
Finally, now we won't feel so lonely anymore.
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;46535946]Why allow people to carry firearms at all[/QUOTE]
You say this in almost every thread where firearms are involved.
Me too please me too
[editline]20th November 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=TestECull;46535813]AKA "Too many people have them illegally for us to actually bother policing them, so fuggit"[/QUOTE]
To be fair that is pretty effective
[QUOTE=TestECull;46535813]AKA "Too many people have them illegally for us to actually bother policing them, so fuggit"[/QUOTE]
That's not true at all. People don't carry guns around Russia (cities at least). The law is harsh on that and if you get caught then you will have to pay a lot.
There is no point in using a gun if you can't use it too. Our law only permits to use a gun if a gun is used against you, otherwise you become the attacking side in conflict and can get jailed for longer then the guy that attacked you.
A lot of people (drivers mostly) carry traumatic guns though. Not quite guns, not nearly as deadly as any real ammo. Much weaker then .22LR . Still very painful and potentially injuring.
Most popular use: scaring people with traumatic guns. After all they look scary, like real guns. You could also shoot someones knee and injure them for life.
I don't see why we need to allow anyone to carry real guns around. People still can't use them to defend themselves. What's the point?
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;46535414]fuck the UN's Arms Treaty.[/QUOTE]
do you even know jack shit about this piece of legislation? I know some clauses allow for gun registration essentially but it's good in purpose
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;46536460]Our law only permits to use a gun if a gun is used against you, otherwise you become the attacking side in conflict and can get jailed for longer then the guy that attacked you.
[/QUOTE]
Misconception. Commonly used by persecution, but still a misconception. The whole thing is based on perceived danger, so if a victim is absolutely fucking sure they are in grave danger, they are authorized to used any means necessary. That's difficult to prove, but a capable defense attorney can do that. Problem is, the misconception is so common a lot of attorneys choose a line of defense that is counter-productive to the case.
The actual reason for why victim is often prosecuted is actually the fact that they possess one or the other kind of a weapon that isn't considered self-defense weapon and they shouldn't have it on their person, or even have it at all. So if I have a pistol at the time I'm attacked by guys with knives, that rises some questions as to how did that happen that I was in possession of an illegal shit right at that moment.
Speaking of shitty laws, well, laws can be changed in package. The same package of amendments can legalize firearms AND ease the self-defense norms and definitions. Not that it's going to happen any time soon though, and when it does, it'll be done gradually, starting with self-defense laws.
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;46536460]That's not true at all. People don't carry guns around Russia (cities at least). The law is harsh on that and if you get caught then you will have to pay a lot.
There is no point in using a gun if you can't use it too. Our law only permits to use a gun if a gun is used against you, otherwise you become the attacking side in conflict and can get jailed for longer then the guy that attacked you.
A lot of people (drivers mostly) carry traumatic guns though. Not quite guns, not nearly as deadly as any real ammo. Much weaker then .22LR . Still very painful and potentially injuring.
Most popular use: scaring people with traumatic guns. After all they look scary, like real guns. You could also shoot someones knee and injure them for life.
I don't see why we need to allow anyone to carry real guns around. People still can't use them to defend themselves. What's the point?[/QUOTE]
Using firearms for self defense is illegal here, but every justified case gets thrown out in court, if the guy used an illegal gun to defend himself they would reluctantly charge him with possession of a firearm without a license.
This law gives the courts more freedom when dealing with self defense cases IMO. No judge will convict you if the guy pulled a knife on you and threatened to cut your throat.
[QUOTE=gudman;46536579]Misconception. Commonly used by persecution, but still a misconception. The whole thing is based on perceived danger, so if a victim is absolutely fucking sure they are in grave danger, they are authorized to used any means necessary. That's difficult to prove, but a capable defense attorney can do that. Problem is, the misconception is so common a lot of attorneys choose a line of defense that is counter-productive to the case.
The actual reason for why victim is often prosecuted is actually the fact that they possess one or the other kind of a weapon that isn't considered self-defense weapon. So if I have a pistol at the time I'm attacked by guys with knives, that rises some questions as to how did that happen that I was in possession of an illegal shit right at that moment.[/QUOTE]
I possibly said it wrong. I meant that if you are attacked by a guy with a knife and you shoot him in self defence then he can very possibly assure the court that it was you who attacked him.
The problem how hard it is to prove that you were defending yourself. Not just in the pistol case, in any case.
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;46536622]I possibly said it wrong. I meant that if you are attacked by a guy with a knife and you shoot him in self defence then he can very possibly assure the court that it was you who attacked him.
The problem how hard it is to prove that you were defending yourself. Not just in the pistol case, in any case.[/QUOTE]
The sad thing is a lot of places in the states teach you to shoot to kill in self defense not only for your own safety, but to avoid maiming the attacker due to legal repercussions such as that.
A dead attacker can't sue you for defending yourself.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;46536648]The sad thing is a lot of places in the states teach you to shoot to kill in self defense not only for your own safety, but to avoid maiming the attacker due to legal repercussions such as that.
A dead attacker can't sue you for defending yourself.[/QUOTE]
If you killed the attacker, can you still prove he was the attacker?
I am pretty sure that if it happened in Russia then the cops would be like:"So here's the body, the guy with the pistol. Case is clear, jail this guy for 20 years. Welp, I might even get a promotion for breaking this cold blooded murder"
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;46535414]See? Us Americans and Russians need to stick together, promoting the bastions of firearm freedoms across the merry world.... And of course, fuck the UN's Arms Treaty. Either way though, welcome to the fun club Russia.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't consider weapons to be fun but whatever fits in your luni's head I guess
Well, least they finally realize Concealed carry is a good thing.
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;46536666]If you killed the attacker, can you still prove he was the attacker?
I am pretty sure that if it happened in Russia then the cops would be like:"So here's the body, the guy with the pistol. Case is clear, jail this guy for 20 years. Welp, I might even get a promotion for breaking this cold blooded murder"[/QUOTE]
That's why you then call 911, and when the police get there you tell them you were attacked and you feared for your life, then you keep your mouth shut until you can talk to your lawyer.
When the time comes you can defend yourself in court as is how the justice system is meant to work and seeing as how a dead attacker can't testify in court the odds are steeply in your favor, and don't forget he had a knife which also supports your case.
I dont know how I stand on gun control, since it's not a big issue to me, but I don't think guns should be introduced in countries that don't already have them
Now, Russia obviously has already had guns for a while. But if this were a country like Japan or South Korea, this would have been a bad thing.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;46536674]I wouldn't consider weapons to be fun but whatever fits in your luni's head I guess[/QUOTE]
You have never shot a gun before have you?
It's very fun and it's even an olympic sport.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;46536705]You have never shot a gun before have you?[/QUOTE]
I pulled the trigger and it went "bang" and a thing came out and hit some circle or something
[QUOTE]It's very fun and it's even an olympic sport.[/QUOTE]
what's the name?
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