Unbelievable: US calls Israel to investigate into its own crime (Flotilla) - Polidicks

[URL="http://www.guardian.co.uk/"][IMG]http://static.guim.co.uk/static/90584/zones/news/images/logo.gif[/IMG][/URL] [I][B]Turkey's demands for international inquiry denied at meeting of United Nations security council[/B][/I] [URL]http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/01/israel-investigation-attack-gaza-flotilla-us?[/URL] [quote=Guardian] The [URL="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/usa"]United States[/URL] has blocked demands at the UN security council for an international inquiry into [URL="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/israel"]Israel[/URL]'s assault on the Turkish ship carrying aid to [URL="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gaza"]Gaza[/URL] that left nine pro-Palestinian activists dead. A compromise statement instead calls for an impartial investigation which Washington indicated could be carried out by Israel. [URL="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/turkey"]Turkey[/URL] pressed for the security council to launch an investigation similar to Richard Goldstone's inquiry into last year's fighting in Gaza which prompted protests from Israel when it concluded that Israel and Hamas were probably guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity. Ankara wanted the investigation into the raid on the Mavi Marmara to result in the prosecution of officials responsible for the assault and the payment of compensation to the victims. But in hours of diplomatic wrangling, the US blocked the move and instead forced a statement that called for "a prompt, impartial, credible and transparent investigation conforming to international standards". The US representative at the security council discussions, Alejandro Wolff, indicated that Washington would be satisfied with Israel investigating itself when he called for it to undertake a credible investigation. The Israeli government is certain to launch its own inquiry in part as a response to domestic criticism that its forces were ill-prepared for the resistance they met on the ship. But any self-inquiry is likely to be met with the same scepticism beyond Israel's borders that met its investigations into last year's Gaza war and its 2006 invasion of Lebanon which criticised aspects of the handling of the operations but did not challenge the underlying claim that they were essential for Israel's security. The Americans also blocked criticism of Israel for violating international law by assaulting a ship in international waters in the security council statement proposed by Turkey, the Palestinians and Arab nations. The US instead forced a broader statement that condemned "those acts which resulted in the loss" of life. However, the security council statement did criticise Israel's siege of Gaza as "not sustainable" and called for a "sustained and regular flow of goods and people to Gaza, as well as unimpeded provision and distribution of humanitarian assistance throughout Gaza". Turkey's foreign minister, Ahmet Davutoglu, called the raid on the Mavi Marmara "tantamount to banditry and piracy; it is murder conducted by a state". The French ambassador to the UN, Gerard Araud, said "there was disproportionate use of force and a level of violence which nothing justifies and which we condemn". Wolff told the security council that the organisers of the flotilla had been irresponsible in trying to deliver aid by sea in the face of the Israeli blockade.[/quote] A diplomat also stated that an '[I][B]independent[/B][/I] impartial investigation' was replaced with 'impartial investigation' in the early drafts of the security council resolution so Israel can investigate and publish the conclusions themselves. To allow Israel to investigate itself is the equivalent of allowing Hitler to investigate the Holocaust, Pol Pot the genocide in Cambodia, or Saddam Hussein to conduct his own trial and that of his henchmen. The United Nations Security Council statement “regretting” the deaths in the Israeli attack on the Gaza aid flotilla was watered down at the insistence of the US. It was neutered to the point that it fails to condemn a military assault on an unarmed vessel in international, not territorial waters and fails to demand an independent investigation, calling only for an “impartial” probe, which will effectively allow Israel to conduct its own inquiry. “We support an Israeli investigation and have every confidence that Israel can conduct a credible and impartial, transparent, prompt investigation internally,” said US Deputy Ambassador Alejandro Wolff. The activists, videos from on board and even an Israeli parliament member stated that the commandos fired prior to illegally boarding the vessel but, even if it is true, did they not have the right to defend themselves as armed men swooped down from helicopters on to the deck of their vessel – in, I stress again, international waters?

This is bullshit. If anyone should conduct an investigation it should be the UN.

funny cause many investigators from different countries investigated the south korean ship sinking from torpedo

Okay, this is retarded, I'm pissed now. They'll naturally justify it themselves. The way the West turns a blind eye to Israel's crimes is criminal.

Well that's just great. Not much chance of real justice now.

ahaha is this a fucking joke durp "did we do anything wrong?!, of course not!"

[QUOTE=archangel125;22322016]Okay, this is retarded, I'm pissed now. They'll naturally justify it themselves. The way the West turns a blind eye to Israel's crimes is criminal.[/QUOTE] Not "the West", the USA.

[QUOTE=Clavus;22322182]Not "the West", the USA.[/QUOTE] No, the West. Canada and Britain do the same.

This is fucking sickening. Justice fucking where?

The best part is that they say an investigation conducted by Israel would be "Impartial". Since when does the US have the final say in UN decisions, anyway?

Starpluck, you obviously know better than the U.S. Government. Maybe you should run for POTUS - then you would actually be able to implement your naive views!

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I don't think this will surprise anyone. USA will stand behind Israel no matter what. At least after all the shit going on it seems like it.

[QUOTE=camper182 V2;22322463][IMG]http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/7528/6mm0d.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] And obviously you know better than the IDF.

[QUOTE=DogGunn;22322456]Starpluck, you obviously know better than the U.S. Government. Maybe you should run for POTUS - then you would actually be able to implement your naive views![/QUOTE] Don't be a blind fool. The United States, in defending Israel, is making a foolishly transparent attempt to protect its own interests. And the boarding of the activist ship was illegal. At best it was piracy, and at worst an act of war.

Ok, what the fuck where they thinking? That's like if a judge rapes a woman and he judges over himself.

[QUOTE=DogGunn;22322480]And obviously you know better than the IDF.[/QUOTE] Yes. Yes, he does.

[QUOTE=DogGunn;22322480]And obviously you know better than the IDF.[/QUOTE] Well [i]he[/i] didn't cause an international incident, now did he?

[QUOTE=DogGunn;22322480]And obviously you know better than the IDF.[/QUOTE] Picture seems pretty logical to me.

[QUOTE=archangel125;22322498]Don't be a blind fool. The United States, in defending Israel, is making a foolishly transparent attempt to protect its own interests. And the boarding of the activist ship was illegal. At best it was piracy, and at worst an act of war.[/QUOTE] I am not a blind fool - I accept that what Israel did was wrong, and I also accept that the amount of life loss on that boat is unexplainable, but in all honesty, I'm not sure if I should take what starpluck said seriously. Comparing the deaths of 9-16 people (who died under the Turkish flag - I don't even know anymore due to conflicting reports) to the Holocaust, where people were targeted because of their religion?

Israel can probably defend the use of lethal force by saying that they were attacked first, but they can NOT justify boarding a flagged vessel in non-territorial waters. Therefore, they cannot justify the massacre.

Everything the USA does is a good thing because I am a blind patriot. :patriot:

[QUOTE=DogGunn;22322547] Comparing the deaths of 9-16 people (who died under the Turkish flag - I don't even know anymore due to conflicting reports) to the Holocaust, where people were targeted because of their religion?[/QUOTE] Fuck off. The holocaust happened more than fifty years ago. Just because it happened then doesn't mean that Israel now is above scrutiny, criticism, and accountability. This incident had nothing whatsoever to do with the holocaust. So some guy with a terrible moustache killed a few million jews back then. Whatever. What the fuck does this have to do with the crimes against humanity Israel is committing today?

[QUOTE=DogGunn;22322547]I am not a blind fool - I accept that what Israel did was wrong, and I also accept that the amount of life loss on that boat is unexplainable, but in all honesty, I'm not sure if I should take what starpluck said seriously. Comparing the deaths of 9-16 people (who died under the Turkish flag - I don't even know anymore due to conflicting reports) to the Holocaust, where people were targeted because of their religion?[/QUOTE] Sorry, but what the hell has this whole thing to do with the holocaust?

Jesus Christ, this is slowly turning into a repeat of the 1930s.

[QUOTE=archangel125;22322571]Fuck off. The holocaust happened more than fifty years ago. Just because it happened then doesn't mean that Israel now is above scrutiny, criticism, and accountability.[/QUOTE] I AM NOT ATTEMPTING TO EXCUSING IT - I AM QUESTIONING THE OP... piss off. [editline]12:31AM[/editline] [QUOTE=rosthouse;22322572]Sorry, but what the hell has this whole thing to do with the holocaust?[/QUOTE] Did you even read starpluck's views?

What, because OP brought up examples that had Hitler in them?

[QUOTE=DogGunn;22322591] Did you even read starpluck's views?[/QUOTE] I did, and it's a damn good analogy. Because Israel has far, far more to answer for than piracy, violation of sovereignity, and killing nine turks.

[QUOTE=Re-y-tard;22322610]What, because OP brought up examples that had Hitler in them?[/QUOTE] Are you that ignorant? I'm not attempting to excuse any of the actions that took place a few days ago, I am merely pointing out that comparisons should not be made to the massacres commissioned by leaders such as Hitler and Saddam Hussein... as these people died under a flag rather than for their beliefs.

[QUOTE=archangel125;22322310]The best part is that they say an investigation conducted by Israel would be "Impartial". Since when does the US have the final say in UN decisions, anyway?[/QUOTE] the un is the usa's bitch in terms of funding