How the 'New York Times' Sandbagged Bernie Sanders - Polidicks

[QUOTE]The New York Times ran a piece about Bernie Sanders Monday, a sort of left-handed compliment of a legislative profile. It was called "[URL="https://web.archive.org/web/20160314164825/http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/15/us/politics/bernie-sanders-amendments.html?partner=rss&emc=rss"]Bernie Sanders Scored Victories for Years Via Legislative Side Doors.[/URL]" [...] Given how tough the Times has been on Sanders this election season (in October, the paper even sank to writing an article about his [URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/01/us/politics/bernie-sanders-doesnt-kiss-babies-that-a-problem.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=0"]failure to kiss enough babies[/URL]), the Steinhauer piece was actually sort of flattering. [URL="http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/must-read/bernie-sanders-scored-victories-for-years-via-legislative-side-doors"]Sanders himself linked to the article[/URL]. Maybe the paper was coming around? Not so fast! As noted first in this piece on Medium ("[URL="https://medium.com/@brokenravioli/proof-that-the-new-york-times-isn-t-feeling-the-bern-c74e1109cdf6#.7vr0tvspx"]Proof That the New York Times Isn't Feeling the Bern[/URL]"), the paper swiftly made a series of significant corrections online. A new version of the piece came out later the same day, and in my mind, the corrections changed the overall message of the article. First, as noted in the Medium piece, they changed the headline. It went from: [URL="https://web.archive.org/web/20160314164825/http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/15/us/politics/bernie-sanders-amendments.html?partner=rss&emc=rss"]Bernie Sanders Scored Victories for Years Via Legislative Side Doors[/URL] to: [URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/15/us/politics/bernie-sanders-amendments.html?_r=0"]Via Legislative Side Doors, Bernie Sanders Won Modest Victories[/URL] Then they yanked a quote from Bernie's longtime policy adviser Warren Gunnels that read, "It has been a very successful strategy." They then added the following two paragraphs: "But in his presidential campaign Mr. Sanders is trying to scale up those kinds of proposals as a national agenda, and there is little to draw from his small-ball legislative approach to suggest that he could succeed. "Mr. Sanders is suddenly promising not just a few stars here and there, but the moon and a good part of the sun, from free college tuition paid for with giant tax hikes to a huge increase in government health care, which has made even liberal Democrats skeptical." This stuff could have been written by the Clinton campaign. It's stridently derisive, essentially saying there's no evidence Bernie's "small-ball" approach (I guess Republicans aren't the only ones not above testicular innuendo) could ever succeed on the big stage. The second paragraph just reeks of a passage written by an editor. It's horrible English. Attention, New York Times: "A few stars here and there" is actually more than "the moon and a good part of the sun." There were other changes, as noted in the Medium piece. The salutary line about Sanders being an "effective, albeit modest legislator" – a key passage that in the original article directly contradicted the Clinton-camp contention that Sanders can't "get things done" – is now followed by a sort of disclaimer: "He has enacted his agenda piece by piece, in politically digestible chunks with few sweeping legislative achievements in a quarter-century in Congress." Right. He's effective, except for the part where he hasn't had any significant achievements in 25 years. Worse, the line about "tacking on amendments to larger bills that scratch his particular policy itches" has now, absurdly, been rewritten to read: "…tacking on amendments to larger bills to succeed at the margins." I reached out to Steinhauer, whom the paper put in a very uncomfortable position by making such extensive edits in public. She essentially replied that in the Internet age, this sort of stuff is routine, and articles evolve. "The good part about digital publishing is that we get more things to our readers more quickly but it also means that complete editing sometimes comes ends at the end of the day," she said. "Two or more versions are now pretty common with all our work, as you probably know." Well, not so much, actually. Online content does change a bit from time to time, but I've never been in a situation where an editor has asked me to alter the overall meaning of a piece, which is what happened in this case.[/QUOTE] [url]https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-the-new-york-times-sandbagged-bernie-sanders-20160315[/url] How about that historic revisionism. Comparison of the two articles: [url]http://newsdiffs.org/diff/1104528/1105097/www.nytimes.com/2016/03/15/us/politics/bernie-sanders-amendments.html[/url]

Can we get a do over for this election? Like hit the "fuck this" button and get all new candidates? This election just seems dirty, for lack of a better word.

[QUOTE=Solo Wing;49956423]Can we get a do over for this election? Like hit the "fuck this" button and get all new candidates? This election just seems dirty, for lack of a better word.[/QUOTE] No. Whats done is done. We voted for Sanders, gave it our best, and he isn't winning much. Folks are saying there's some slight chance but honestly it feels like grasping for straws at this point. Love it or hate it, we're getting Hiliary vs Trump, and we're just going to have to pick the most sane person who rock the entire boat for the next four years.

[QUOTE=Solo Wing;49956423]Can we get a do over for this election? Like hit the "fuck this" button and get all new candidates? This election just seems dirty, for lack of a better word.[/QUOTE] Get out and get Sanders on the ticket, it's all you can do. Otherwise, work to get money out of politics.

[QUOTE=Reshy;49956442]Get out and get Sanders on the ticket, it's all you can do. Otherwise, work to get money out of politics.[/QUOTE] 1. If you mean write in for Sanders during the main election, you're just giving it to Trump then. 2. How do we get money out of Politics? There's always a difference between saying "let's do x" and actually explaining how we do x, and I'm getting tired of people saying "WE NEED TO DO THIS TO FIX THINGS" without really explaining how we can do that exactly, and if it can even work.

All I know is I hate my current choices. Right now I'll be damned if I vote for either Hillary or Trump. I also hate that there is nothing I can do this election without someone jumping down my throat. Fuck this election.

[QUOTE=Solo Wing;49956497]All I know is I hate my current choices. Right now I'll be damned if I vote for either Hillary or Trump. I also hate that there is nothing I can do this election without someone jumping down my throat. Fuck this election.[/QUOTE] What do you mean by that? If you're a left leaning liberal like myself, You'd vote for Hiliary because she's a safe pick at this point against what could be a worse version of the Bush Administration. If you're a Right leaner, or someone that actually firmly believes in Trump, then by all means vote for him instead. Just don't be someone whose like "I'll vote for Trump only because Sanders lost."

[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;49956505]What do you mean by that? If you're a left leaning liberal like myself, You'd vote for Hiliary because she's a safe pick at this point against what could be a worse version of the Bush Administration. If you're a Right leaner, or someone that actually firmly believes in Trump, then by all means vote for him instead. Just don't be someone whose like "I'll vote for Trump only because Sanders lost."[/QUOTE] I lean neither way. Choosing between most politicians, not just Hilary or Trump, is like choosing between a lead pipe or a metal bat. I just don't care anymore. The government is broken. If Bernie doesn't get anywhere, neither will my vote. Everyone else can have fun choosing the leader on the elevator that's fallen and just about ready to hit the ground.

[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;49956452]1. If you mean write in for Sanders during the main election, you're just giving it to Trump then. 2. How do we get money out of Politics? There's always a difference between saying "let's do x" and actually explaining how we do x, and I'm getting tired of people saying "WE NEED TO DO THIS TO FIX THINGS" without really explaining how we can do that exactly, and if it can even work.[/QUOTE]Trump has won either way. He has roused a base that was beginning to waver, and on the flipside many democrats are disillusioned with the party. Clinton will also be decimated at the first questioning because, more than almost any other major politician at this time she is covered with dirt. Half of Trump's success has been about being loud, boisterous, and hostile, and even when what he says is blatantly false, he still sees a surge in support. So going after someone with very legitimate problems that he can stab holes in and tear apart? It'd be almost a no-show for a debate. Between the two, Trump has had his name all over the media, whether supporting or in failed attempts to drag him down and break his chances. His name will be much more visible to most undecided voters simply because it has been repeated far more than hers. He has won, and we are fucked for it.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;49956533][B]Trump has won either way.[/B] He has roused a base that was beginning to waver, and on the flipside many democrats are disillusioned with the party. Clinton will also be decimated at the first questioning because, more than almost any other major politician at this time she is covered with dirt. Half of Trump's success has been about being loud, boisterous, and hostile, and even when what he says is blatantly false, he still sees a surge in support. So going after someone with very legitimate problems that he can stab holes in and tear apart? It'd be almost a no-show for a debate. Between the two, Trump has had his name all over the media, whether supporting or in failed attempts to drag him down and break his chances. His name will be much more visible to most undecided voters simply because it has been repeated far more than hers. [B]He has won[/B], and we are fucked for it.[/QUOTE] No; Trump is not going to win. Clinton is leading Trump in virtually every single poll. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/SMgz9lR.png[/IMG]

[QUOTE=wauterboi;49956518]I lean neither way. Choosing between most politicians, not just Hilary or Trump, is like choosing between a lead pipe or a metal bat. I just don't care anymore. The government is broken. If Bernie doesn't get anywhere, neither will my vote. Everyone else can have fun choosing the leader on the elevator that's fallen and just about ready to hit the ground.[/QUOTE] That's a fucking stupid thing to say. "I'm going to just abstain and allow the worse of the two to get in, fuck everyone else and the country." Shit sucks I know, but I'm not going to just throw my hands in the air and say "fuck it" and just watch my country get burned again. I'm going to vote, I'm going to vote for Hiliary, because writing in Sanders, or abstaining myself is just allowing Donald "I'm coo coo for Cocoa Puffs" Trump. Yes she's shady, but she is a Liberal Democrat, she did promise the continuation of the Obama administration, which is a quiet and STABLE administration. Let's be honest here, worst that'll happen, we'll get four years of a mediocre President where year one is just her bathing in the lime light of "FURST WOMAN PREZ" before we then vote for a better president later.

I have to say, it's a little funny seeing Bernie supporters get angry over the same kind of bias in the media that conservatives always have against them.

I really really want to see Bernie VS Trump especially since I know Trump would be merciless against Hilary.

The [b]BEST[/b] thing to do now in this Primary is cut our losses and think about the future, do you want 4-8 years of a shady woman that at the very least wants to keep the smooth administration we've been living under for the last 8 years? Or do you want to gamble on a man whose business has failed, advocated hatred and torture, and has NO experience in politics what so ever? I feel I'm the only one that understand that at the end of the day, this is politics, like it or not, we just deal with it and work with it to the best outcomes we can get. Sitting around complaining get's just as much nothing done as the Government. [editline]18th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=sgman91;49956546]I have to say, it's a little bit funny seeing Bernie supporters get angry over the same kind of bias in the media that conservatives always have against them.[/QUOTE] Not gonna lie, I saw that coming for a while now. You should see r/berniesanders.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;49956542]No; Trump is not going to win. Clinton is leading Trump in virtually every single poll. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/SMgz9lR.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]Its interesting, but most likely an anomaly given most polls last year had a Trump/Hillary matchup within just a few points of each other.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;49956542]No; Trump is not going to win. Clinton is leading Trump in virtually every single poll. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/SMgz9lR.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] Trump hasn't even started properly on Hillary yet, nor are they, as of right now, even participating in the same 'race'.

[QUOTE=Reshy;49956387] How about that historic revisionism.[/QUOTE] the ny times editing the tone of one of its own articles doesn't amount to historic revisionism, revisionist history is a completely different thing and isn't even necessarily bad. [editline]18th March 2016[/editline] one of sh's most annoying buzzwords

[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;49956505]What do you mean by that? If you're a left leaning liberal like myself, You'd vote for Hiliary because she's a safe pick at this point against what could be a worse version of the Bush Administration. If you're a Right leaner, or someone that actually firmly believes in Trump, then by all means vote for him instead. Just don't be someone whose like "I'll vote for Trump only because Sanders lost."[/QUOTE] A continuation of a terrible past presidency or a continuation of a terrible current presidency. Such compelling choices. [QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;49956545]That's a fucking stupid thing to say. "I'm going to just abstain and allow the worse of the two to get in, fuck everyone else and the country." Shit sucks I know, but I'm not going to just throw my hands in the air and say "fuck it" and just watch my country get burned again. I'm going to vote, I'm going to vote for Hiliary, because writing in Sanders, or abstaining myself is just allowing Donald "I'm coo coo for Cocoa Puffs" Trump. Yes she's shady, but she is a Liberal Democrat, she did promise the continuation of the Obama administration, which is a quiet and STABLE administration. Let's be honest here, worst that'll happen, we'll get four years of a mediocre President where year one is just her bathing in the lime light of "FURST WOMAN PREZ" before we then vote for a better president later.[/QUOTE] Why? If Hillary Wins then the establishment will keep on chugging and the younger voting bloc will become marginalized yet again for another 4-8 years. Also, I really don't want the first women president to be known as a crook and a liar. You also realize that Trump supporters would say the same thing right? "If you don't vote for Trump you're voting for Hillary." Fuck that, if she cannot win my vote honestly she does not deserve it. I don't give a single fuck about the various scare-mongering tactics that the establishment throws around to make sure that people always fall in line and bow their head and vote the way they "should." I am not, and will not, vote for a candidate I do not endorse. [QUOTE=Kommodore;49956578]the ny times editing the tone of one of its own articles doesn't amount to historic revisionism, revisionist history is a completely different thing and isn't even necessarily bad. [editline]18th March 2016[/editline] one of sh's most annoying buzzwords[/QUOTE] They're downplaying his accomplishments in the extreme.

[QUOTE=Reshy;49956816]A continuation of a terrible past presidency or a continuation of a terrible current presidency. Such compelling choices. Why? If Hillary Wins then the establishment will keep on chugging and the younger voting bloc will become marginalized yet again for another 4-8 years. Also, I really don't want the first women president to be known as a crook and a liar. You also realize that Trump supporters would say the same thing right? "If you don't vote for Trump you're voting for Hillary." Fuck that, if she cannot win my vote honestly she does not deserve it. I don't give a single fuck about the various scare-mongering tactics that the establishment throws around to make sure that people always fall in line and bow their head and vote the way they "should." I am not, and will not, vote for a candidate I do not endorse. [/QUOTE] You could go on about the "establishment" all you want. At the end of the day, we have to vote with who we got. And what Scare-mongering? Trump really would just fuck this country up to 11, you really want to live in that country? And don't give me that fucking bullshit line of "Ohh, I'll just move to Canada!" You can't afford to move to Canada, you can't afford the time, the trucks to move, the passports needed, the time, and the immigration process. I've learned to deal with the shit I'm given and work it into something workable for the better of our nation. Not because I want to, but because I have no choice but to work with it. You can sit at your computer, arms crosses, pouting about Sanders not getting elected, but eventually you must move on and understand that we either vote Hiliary, or we get fucked for 4 years. In fact didn't Sanders say something to the effect of "If I lose, for god's sake please vote for Hiliary"?

[QUOTE=Starpluck;49956542]No; Trump is not going to win. Clinton is leading Trump in virtually every single poll.[/QUOTE] Wait until we get closer to the general... a lot can happen between now and then Totally dismissing Trump has proven to be a terrible choice this cycle

[QUOTE=rilez;49956856] Totally dismissing Trump has proven to be a terrible choice this cycle[/QUOTE] Exactly why I'm also here saying it's best to just get ready to cut our losses and vote for the person who won't bring us back to the Bush years.

I'll just move to Canada.

[QUOTE=Swilly;49956883]I'll just move to Canada.[/QUOTE] Good luck with that.

[QUOTE=Swilly;49956883]I'll just move to Canada.[/QUOTE] no you wont

[QUOTE=rilez;49956856]Wait until we get closer to the general... a lot can happen between now and then Totally dismissing Trump has proven to be a terrible choice this cycle[/QUOTE] I will take your word for that, Rilez. History has shown you to be quite accurate.

People shouldn't underestimate Trump, but more importantly people should just vote for the better candidate but approach the polls with the idea that you'll also be voting for Congress and other local issues if you need motivation. Just vote. A part of Bernie's revolution is about getting people involved. The last thing he wants, and what Republicans hope, is for a generation to become even more apathetic because he didn't succeed. "Not me. Us." - Bernard Sanders (I - Vermont)

[QUOTE=Starpluck;49956996]I will take your word for that, Rilez. History has shown you to be quite accurate.[/QUOTE] You got it, man. I'm glad you've finally got my back.

[QUOTE=shadow_oap;49957063]People shouldn't underestimate Trump, but more importantly people should just vote for the better candidate but approach the polls with the idea that you'll also be voting for Congress and other local issues if you need motivation. Just vote. A part of Bernie's revolution is about getting people involved. The last thing he wants, and what Republicans hope, is for a generation to become even more apathetic because he didn't succeed. "Not me. Us." - Bernard Sanders (I - Vermont)[/QUOTE] Fucking this. Bernie won anyway by making clear, what we do with our Government fucking matters! Even if it just comes between Hiliary and Trump, we can still win by just voting for the better person, and voting in other things as well. What's happening in this thread, and what I fear, is Trump winning due to folks becoming apathetic and giving up. The problem is they want the savior from heaven to come down, instead of just learning to make the best out of bad situations and picking the best possible outcome we can go for. Don't view it as the lesser of two evils, it's best to view it as the best outcome for our country, and our countrymen and women.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;49956518]I lean neither way. Choosing between most politicians, not just Hilary or Trump, is like choosing between a lead pipe or a metal bat. I just don't care anymore. The government is broken. If Bernie doesn't get anywhere, neither will my vote. Everyone else can have fun choosing the leader on the elevator that's fallen and just about ready to hit the ground.[/QUOTE] This is exactly the attitude that puts your country in the ground come election time good work making rational decisions about the future of the place that you live in :)

[QUOTE=Swilly;49956883]I'll just move to Canada.[/QUOTE] its a good idea to move to move to a country with a currently-being-destroyed economy