• 20 percent of released detainees returning to terrorism
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A classified report by the Pentagon's Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) says that one in five former detainees returned or are suspected to have returned to terrorist activity after leaving the U.S. prison facility. That is an increase from 14 percent from a similar report by the DIA released in April, according to the official familiar with the new report. Geoff Morrell, press secretary for Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, said last week that an unclassified version of the report is expected to be released, but the number of former detainees who have "returned to the fight" has gone up since last year and added, "I don't think that trend has reversed itself." [url]http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/11/detainees.terror.return/index.html[/url]
Whoops.
Looks like the Obama Administration didn't care to do tests to see if they would go back to terrorism. That there would have prevented that from happening. Then again it is only 20% of the releases that are going back to terrorism, but I hope that they haven't learned any useful info while in prison.
Wouldn't they have to know about who adn who is not active in terrorism in th first place to do such statistics? [editline]04:21PM[/editline] [QUOTE=rsa1988;19589082]Looks like the Obama Administration didn't care to do tests to see if they would go back to terrorism. That there would have prevented that from happening. Then again it is only 20% of the releases that are going back to terrorism, but I hope that they haven't learned any useful info while in prison.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure the "obama administration" didn't suddenly change all employees when they "took over". And I also think it's not that easy to "test" if someone goes back to terrorism.
Oh, the republicans are gonna have a field day with this.
This shouldn't be much of a surprise. When people get out of prison many of them return to crime.
[QUOTE=hansjurgen;19589313]This shouldn't be much of a surprise. When people get out of prison many of them return to crime.[/QUOTE] I was thinking the same thing. 50%+ or something.
And we didn't expect this... why? Exactly?
I'm surprised it's that few.
What the hell did they expect? Did they think they'll forget all the torture and mistreatment while being probably held illegally in Gitmo? By doing what we keep doing in that un-American hellhole, we're only confirming their ideals we're evil bastards who hates Muslims.
Brilliant. :happyelf:
[QUOTE=Killuah;19589097]Wouldn't they have to know about who adn who is not active in terrorism in th first place to do such statistics? [editline]04:21PM[/editline] I'm pretty sure the "obama administration" didn't suddenly change all employees when they "took over". And I also think it's not that easy to "test" if someone goes back to terrorism.[/QUOTE] Well it is just a thought that's all.
[QUOTE=Killuah;19589097]I'm pretty sure the "obama administration" didn't suddenly change all employees when they "took over". And I also think it's not that easy to "test" if someone goes back to terrorism.[/QUOTE] [b]Q. If released, will you return to terrorism? Circle one:[/b] YES NO
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;19598921]What the hell did they expect? Did they think they'll forget all the torture and mistreatment while being probably held illegally in Gitmo? By doing what we keep doing in that un-American hellhole, we're only confirming their ideals we're evil bastards who hates Muslims.[/QUOTE] Its a perfectly American and entirely not-hellish-enough hole. We won it fair and square (if you don't think so, read about the Spanish American War). And what torture? Having a bucket of water thrown over your head? If that constitutes torture then my first encampment with Civil Air patrol (or cross country practice) must have been like the seventh level of hell. As for being illegally held, I laugh at your ignorance. Its a military prison, for the detainment of enemy combatants. Any enemy combatant who is captured is sent to a POW camp, and these people are the worst of them.
[QUOTE=Alan Ninja!;19600716]Its a perfectly American and entirely not-hellish-enough hole. We won it fair and square (if you don't think so, read about the Spanish American War). And what torture? Having a bucket of water thrown over your head? If that constitutes torture then my first encampment with Civil Air patrol (or cross country practice) must have been like the seventh level of hell. As for being illegally held, I laugh at your ignorance. Its a military prison, for the detainment of enemy combatants. Any enemy combatant who is captured is sent to a POW camp, and these people are the worst of them.[/QUOTE] No, it's not fucking American. We're using off-shore detention camp to do illegal shit without getting caught or reprimanded. Even the fuckng Nazi leader agrees with me. They catch these guys and ship them off here so they don't have to comply with the Geneva convention. We're founded on the ideals of Justice, this shit ain't justice. Just like that taxi driver who was allegedly held in Gitmo without trial for driving an Al-Qaeda unknowingly? Damn, he's with the worst of them. Oh, you have no fucking idea how it feels like. Having a plastic forced against your face while cold water is [b] continuously[/b] splashed over it. It's dry drowning, you don't know shit. In fact, your Civil Air Patrol doesn't count for shit because I have someone who actually served his country and faced torture. [img]http://www.britannica.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/mcain.jpg[/img] John McCain, he's conservative and he doesn't support waterboarding either. He's been tortured, so he knows what the hell he's talking about. You're Civil Air Patrol, John McCain is a Vietnam veteran who was captured and tortured.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;19601126]this shit ain't justice.[/QUOTE] Define justice.
john mccain is a WAR VETERAN THEREFORE HE IS GOOD PRESIDENT OK??
[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;19601154]Define justice.[/QUOTE] [b]the quality of being just or fair [/b] - Google. Also known as following our constitution. One of them is [b]Habeus Corpus[/b], meaning charge em or set them free. Instead we have this bullshit: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extrajudicial_detention[/url] "We're not gonna charge you, but we're going to keep you here because I suspect you're a terrorist with no solid evidence." [editline]02:35AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Brian Williams;19601197]john mccain is a WAR VETERAN THEREFORE HE IS GOOD PRESIDENT OK??[/QUOTE] where does it say that in my post?
[QUOTE=Brian Williams;19601197]john mccain is a WAR VETERAN THEREFORE HE IS GOOD PRESIDENT OK??[/QUOTE] No one in this thread said that though...
No, he just wants to point out his opinion.
I wonder how many of them turned to terrorism after being falsely imprisoned and tortured in the first place? I'd sure want to blow up the US if that happened to me.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;19598921]What the hell did they expect? Did they think they'll forget all the torture and mistreatment [B]while being probably held illegally[/B] in Gitmo? By doing what we keep doing in that un-American hellhole, we're only confirming their ideals we're evil bastards who hates Muslims.[/QUOTE] How are they being held illegally?
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;19599337]Brilliant. :happyelf:[/QUOTE] using the plight of my people for your own political gains! [editline]10:05PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Splode a Pinga;19604270]How are they being held illegally?[/QUOTE] this debate is: A, argued often B, pointless everyone knows that holding people without a trial is illegal so for once shut it and accept the reality of the world
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;19601211][b]the quality of being just or fair [/b] - Google. Also known as following our constitution. One of them is [b]Habeus Corpus[/b], meaning charge em or set them free. Instead we have this bullshit: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extrajudicial_detention[/url] "We're not gonna charge you, but we're going to keep you here because I suspect you're a terrorist with no solid evidence." [/QUOTE] IMO one of the lasting legacies of the Bush administration is the quasi-legal framework they put in place that basically allows the federal government to tag ANYONE as an "enemy of the state" and detain them for all eternity without ever bringing formal charges. Yes, Obama is making a show of charging them and giving them sorta fair trials, but when was the last time anyone introduced a motion to repeal the Patriot Act? Or to reign in executive power? He's not showing much interest in restoring our civil liberties, and that worries me. Anyway, you can look at this two ways. Either 20% of people we "arrest" and throw in Gitmo are finally released and look for a way back into the fight, or 80% of the people that survive Gitmo go on to lead mildly productive lives outside of the extremist circles. Honestly, I think that's a better rate than the regular American prison system. IMO, we should just stick them with some serious surveillance for the first year or so. I don't condone GPS tagging every prisoner in our system, but these guys are special cases and I'm sure keeping tabs on them is a fair enough price to pay for the chance of catching them contacting their old buddies. The CIA has proven it's immorality and incompetence in this "war", but goddamn they ought to be capable of tracking the Gitmo people we release until 1 in 5 of them leads us to some better targets.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;19598921]What the hell did they expect? Did they think they'll forget all the torture and mistreatment while being probably held illegally in Gitmo? By doing what we keep doing in that un-American hellhole, we're only confirming their ideals we're evil bastards who hates Muslims.[/QUOTE] I have to agree with you there.
Why release somebody that will inevitably want to return to blowing people up?
[QUOTE=Moby-;19606145]Why release somebody that will inevitably want to return to blowing people up?[/QUOTE] because this whole shit is illegal? Habeas Corpus?
How would you even get that statistic? Do they just ring the CIA and let them know they're terrorists again or what?
"umm hi cia i just thought i should tell u im gon be aterrorist again ahahahahahaha bye"
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;19606663]How would you even get that statistic? Do they just ring the CIA and let them know they're terrorists again or what?[/QUOTE] Because censuses exist for no reason...
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