At height of Turkish coup bid, rebel jets had Erdogan's plane in their sights - Polidicks

[QUOTE]At the height of the attempt to overthrow Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan, the rebel pilots of two F-16 fighter jets had Erdogan's plane in their sights. And yet he was able to fly on. [...] "At least two F-16s harassed Erdogan's plane while it was in the air and en route to Istanbul. They locked their radars on his plane and on two other F-16s protecting him," a former military officer with knowledge of the events told Reuters. "Why they didn't fire is a mystery," he said.[/QUOTE] [url=http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-security-plot-insight-idUSKCN0ZX0Q9]Reuters[/url] My guess is killing him would harm their legitimacy if they won.

What a terribly planned coup. All it's done is bolster support for Erdogan and accelerate his complete takeover. Please stop 2016 :(

The claim that this is a turkish reichstag fire is just becoming more plausibly with all the information surfacing.

Either this was the shittiest coup attempted or some fake crap which means Erdogan can cause shit

[QUOTE]Asked on his return from a visit to Saudi Arabia late on Thursday whether an executive presidency was possible in Turkey while maintaining the unitary structure of the state, Erdogan said: "There are already examples in the world. You can see it when you look at Hitler's Germany.[/QUOTE] [URL=http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0UF1T820160101]He did say this last year.[/URL]

[QUOTE=moffe;50728439]The claim that this is a turkish reichstag fire is just becoming more plausibly with all the information surfacing.[/QUOTE] I dismissed it as pure conspiracy theory at first, but I gotta admit that with every extra bit of information surfacing it's getting pretty fucking hard simply dismiss it.

[quote]They locked their radars on his plane and on [b]two other F-16s protecting him,"[/b][/quote] If they didn't break off and engage the rebel jets after being locked onto then is this pretty much confirmed to be a false flag by now?

[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;50728497]I dismissed it as pure conspiracy theory at first, but I gotta admit that with every extra bit of information surfacing it's getting pretty fucking hard simply dismiss it.[/QUOTE] Same here. The convenient arresting of over 2'000 judges immediately after the supposed coup attempt supports the theory pretty well all on its own.

[QUOTE=McTbone;50728509]If they didn't break off and engage the rebel jets after being locked onto then is this pretty much confirmed to be a false flag by now?[/QUOTE]Uh no?

[QUOTE=McTbone;50728509]If they didn't break off and engage the rebel jets after being locked onto then is this pretty much confirmed to be a false flag by now?[/QUOTE] Seems awfully fishy considering he landed in Istanbul at the peak of the "Coup"

[QUOTE=Killer900;50728578]Uh no?[/QUOTE] Yes? Because if your VIP gets a confirmed radar lock (along with yourself) it is the duty of any escorts to break off and engage ASAP.

Yeah this sounds really shady, but will find out more with the possible extradition hearing of Gulen, You would think the U.S would be on top of that shit before it even happened if he was running a unsanctioned coup from the U.S.

[QUOTE=Killer900;50728578]Uh no?[/QUOTE] I was under the impression that the job of a military escort fighter was to keep the VIP safe and engage any threats, but the fact that all three were locked onto and nobody evaded or broke formation seems a bit fishy. Don't you think that one or both of your escort aircraft would at least break to intercept an incoming threat? [QUOTE=kenji;50728590]Seems awfully fishy considering he landed in Istanbul at the peak of the "Coup"[/QUOTE] I wasn't aware of this, I thought the first lock-on warning happened en route to Istanbul while he was still in the air

What's the point of an escort if it doesn't react to hostile planes?

I suppose they could stay close to the jet and try to use countermeasures to defeat an incoming missile, still the fact that not even one broke off is fishy.

[QUOTE=McTbone;50728623]I was under the impression that the job of a military escort fighter was to keep the VIP safe and engage any threats, but the fact that all three were locked onto and nobody evaded or broke formation seems a bit fishy. Don't you think that one or both of your escort aircraft would at least break to intercept an incoming threat? I wasn't aware of this, I thought the first lock-on warning happened en route to Istanbul while he was still in the air[/QUOTE]It's fishy yeah but it doesn't mean it's confirmation that it was a false flag coup.

[QUOTE=Killer900;50728645]It's fishy yeah but it doesn't mean it's confirmation that it was a false flag coup.[/QUOTE] I don't think he meant literal confirmation 100% but if it's not a false flag then those pilots must've been in a coma.

Everyone I know says it's fishy

I think its' important to note that this wasn't a very backed coup to begin with, so its' not unlikely that they were incompetent and had no proper leadership and it wouldn't then be so strange that the pilots of these jets didn't really have a clue.

In my mind there exist only two options: A) It was a real coup, but their plans were discovered and they were forced to act earlier than they wanted B) It was a false flag and the whole thing is a bunch of smoke and mirrors Both lead to the same thing: more power for Erdogan.

I don't know why anybody is not thinking about it as both a real coup and a false flag What can dismiss the notion that Erdogan intelligence services actually pushed some military officers to do the coup? I see this as follows: -Erdogan intelligence services are notified of a possible coup attempt -They collaborate with military officers who are allied to erdogan to fake/pose as pro-coup sympathizers -The real coup guys think they've got the support -And then the Erdogan guys fake a leak which threatens the coup circle, forcing them to launch it preemptively Otherwise, there's just no explanation for the time and day they decided to do it. It's completely retarded. Erdogan had something to do with it. How? I'm not that sure. Erdogan would know right off from the bat that those guys didn't stance a chance and therefore let some drama grow and called people to the streets "to defend their country". Whatever happened, he profited from the situation like a fukin pro. Putin must be asking the SVR to give him the full story.

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;50728816]I don't know why anybody is not thinking about it as both a real coup and a false flag What can dismiss the notion that Erdogan intelligence services actually pushed some military officers to do the coup? I see this as follows: -Erdogan intelligence services are notified of a possible coup attempt -They collaborate with military officers who are allied to erdogan to fake/pose as pro-coup sympathizers -The real coup guys think they've got the support -And then the Erdogan guys fake a leak which threatens the coup circle, forcing them to launch it preemptively Otherwise, there's just no explanation for the time and day they decided to do it. It's completely retarded. Erdogan had something to do with it. How? I'm not that sure. Erdogan would know right off from the bat that those guys didn't stance a chance and therefore let some drama grow and called people to the streets "to defend their country". Whatever happened, he profited from the situation like a fukin pro. Putin must be asking the SVR to give him the full story.[/QUOTE] If it was fake, wouldn't Erdogan have made sure that the soldiers that surrendered on that bridge wouldn't have been lynched/brutally hurt? Because, well, they would've been secretly anti-coup, would they not?

[QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;50729491]If it was fake, wouldn't Erdogan have made sure that the soldiers that surrendered on that bridge wouldn't have been lynched/brutally hurt? Because, well, they would've been secretly anti-coup, would they not?[/QUOTE] No. The idea he's putting forward is that Erdogan/His intelligence service detected a [I]real[/I] possibility of a coup. Then, using loyalist generals, they teased the coup plotters in to believing they had far more support than they actually did. Then, the false-participants let their co-conspirators 'know' that the coup was about to be found out and needed to launch as soon as possible. When the coup finally went off, it went off without nearly as much support as 'planned', exposed all of the potential opponent to Erdogan's regime in the military, and centralized all of the power that Erdogan wanted. Meanwhile, Erdogan got to safely ride his plane around, land, and make a press conference without ever being in 'real' danger. This seems very plausible to me. It saves Erdogan, his party, and his cronies from being implicated in a real false-flag attack, but accomplishes the same results with minimal risk.

Not only that but he was on the edge of the Turkey at a coastal town where he arrived earlier and no one seemed to know his whereabouts for a long while. Pretty much gave himself the perfect place to ride out the initial storm before returning. You can't tell me he didn't know this was coming.

Not to defend Erdogan, but the man is so slimy that bias might be pushing us to believe it was a false flag rather than a genuine attempted coup. From what I've managed to read so far the coup seems poorly executed, so I'm not sure if it truly is a false flag (or Erdogan seizing the opportunity as if it were one) or just simple incompetence. That's the real bitch of it, you just can't know what really happened and any option you have has it's own very interesting implications.

Exactly what i was talking about. Doesnt matter if people died, it is a false flag. Our media does not talk about this, or the beheaded soldiers. Its all about the glory of the people.

Well now isn't this just getting better and better.

I wouldn't dismiss the idea of it being false flag as conspiracy nuttiness, this isn't really on the same level as 9/11 conspiracy shit, this guy is corrupt as fuck and I wouldn't put something like this past him, although whether any info confirming that will ever come out is another matter.

[QUOTE=moffe;50728439]The claim that this is a turkish reichstag fire is just becoming more plausibly with all the information surfacing.[/QUOTE] Reichstag fire was never proven to be a false flag operation. Only Communist Eastern Germany took that theory as a fact. Also even if Reichstag fire was true false flag, this thing being a false flag is utterly absurd. 100's of millions in property damagers, 100's dead, over a 1000 injured, economy is tanking, a lot of things could have gone wrong and all to purge an army that was intended to be purged anyway at later date? Coup wasn't orchestrated false flag op, it was an amateurish failure that only caused Erdogan to accelerate his bid for power.