Hugh Grant says GM-food Critics desire to keep the poor away from cheap food. - Polidicks

[img]http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1141201/thumbs/r-HUGH-GRANT-MONSANTO-ELITISM-large570.jpg?6[/img] [quote]It's not controversial pesticide-resistant crops that fuel Monsanto's critics, according to the company's CEO; it's their own desire to keep poor people from cheap food. Hugh Grant, CEO of Monsanto, told Bloomberg News in an interview that opponents of genetically-engineered crops, [b]who can afford to choose what kind of food they buy, aren’t concerned with the needs of the rest of the world. And their opposition is preventing those in need from getting access to cheaper food.[/b] “There is this strange kind of reverse elitism: If I’m going to do this, then everything else shouldn’t exist,” Grant told Bloomberg. “There is space in the supermarket shelf for all of us.”[/quote] [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/16/hugh-grant-monsanto-elitism_n_3285378.html[/url]

sobotnik why are you so passionate about defending this billion dollar corporation and refute any claims about their business practices even being remotely questionable? i don't fucking get it

It's cause most GM critics are fucking stupid and don't like it for the wrong reasons. GM food is great, it's just the way they're handled with the fact that you CANT FUCKING PLANT SECOND GENERATION SEEDS is causing massive amounts of poverty and in the whole scheme of things, will threaten the worlds with an eventual bubble popping and causing food shortages from the dropping amount of farmers.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;40795102]It's cause most GM critics are fucking stupid and don't like it for the wrong reasons. GM food is great, it's just the way they're handled with the fact that you CANT FUCKING PLANT SECOND GENERATION SEEDS is causing massive amounts of poverty and in the whole scheme of things, will threaten the worlds with an eventual bubble popping and causing food shortages from the dropping amount of farmers.[/QUOTE] There's less farmers because farms are more productive these days. [editline]27th May 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Generic Monk;40795090]sobotnik why are you so passionate about defending this billion dollar corporation and refute any claims about their business practices even being remotely questionable? i don't fucking get it[/QUOTE] You do realize that buying seeds is something farmers have done since the 1920s?

There's a difference between buying seeds and having to buy seeds every time you need to plant, since you can't use the previous harvests seeds, because of threats of lawsuits.

Well there [i]are[/i] two issues at play: The fact that GM crops can increase yields and the fact that a lot of GM companies are very seedy (pun intended). Some people can't seem to separate the two.

This company has gotten very little attention in the media. GM foods will be needed, but I'm going to find out more about this company first.

smug cunt [IMG]http://www.biography.com/imported/images/Biography/Images/Profiles/G/Hugh-Grant-9318171-1-402.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40795112]There's less farmers because farms are more productive these days. [editline]27th May 2013[/editline] You do realize that buying seeds is something farmers have done since the 1920s?[/QUOTE] i think its more about the fact that you are trying your hardest to make monsanto look innocent of all crimes (even though the company has been taken to court so many times its amazing) by posting in every monsanto thread that the company is totally fine having a monopoly on the seed industry

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;40795136]There's a difference between buying seeds and having to buy seeds every time you need to plant, since you can't use the previous harvests seeds, because of threats of lawsuits.[/QUOTE] You signed a contract with them though. Plus Monsanto only had about 150 cases out of 250,000 farmers, and only 11 of those actually went to court. If you changed the law so that you could re-use the seeds, then Monsanto would see little point in developing new seeds. Plus it would mean that videogame companies would be powerless to prevent consumers from making copies of games and selling them to people.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40795112] You do realize that buying seeds is something farmers have done since the 1920s?[/QUOTE] you're so fucking dense, I'm sure the seeds farmers bought in the 1920s didn't produce sterile plants ensuring repeat custom and were modified to only be immune to a specific brand of pesticide manufactured by the same company i'm also pretty sure that in the 1920s seed companies didn't send groups of people round to farmers asking to see their records and threatening them if they didn't pay them for the use of seeds they might not have even used under the guise of 'protecting patents'

[QUOTE=Loriborn;40795158]i think its more about the fact that you are trying your hardest to make monsanto look innocent of all crimes (even though the company has been taken to court so many times its amazing) by posting in every monsanto thread that the company is totally fine having a monopoly on the seed industry[/QUOTE] It's not free of crimes mate. It's just that a lot of the criticisms brought against it are mostly about of fears about the technology or don't understand how the law operates. [editline]27th May 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Generic Monk;40795199]you're so fucking dense, I'm sure the seeds farmers bought in the 1920s didn't produce sterile plants ensuring repeat custom and were modified to only be immune to a specific brand of pesticide manufactured by the same company i'm also pretty sure that in the 1920s seed companies didn't send groups of people round to farmers asking to see their records and threatening them if they didn't pay them for the use of seeds they might not have even used under the guise of 'protecting patents'[/QUOTE] Monsanto doesn't produce sterile seeds though.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40795194]You signed a contract with them though. Plus Monsanto only had about 150 cases out of 250,000 farmers, and only 11 of those actually went to court. If you changed the law so that you could re-use the seeds, then Monsanto would see little point in developing new seeds. Plus it would mean that videogame companies would be powerless to prevent consumers from making copies of games and selling them to people.[/QUOTE] Uggghh we're talking about fucking seeds. How can you defend putting a contract that doesn't let you reuse fucking seeds?!

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40795208]It's not free of crimes mate. It's just that a lot of the criticisms brought against it are mostly about of fears about the technology or don't understand how the law operates.[/QUOTE] yes, and near everyone in these threads is having a go at the company not the practice in general (and rightly so); i haven't seen anyone here retarded enough to say 'all gm food is poison' or some wank like that, are you just trying to start shit?

[QUOTE=bubbagamer;40795223]Uggghh we're talking about fucking seeds. How can you defend putting a contract that doesn't let you reuse fucking seeds?![/QUOTE] It's a contract. You sign it and you are legally obligated to uphold the contract. This is very simple stuff.

[QUOTE=Generic Monk;40795090]sobotnik why are you so passionate about defending this billion dollar corporation and refute any claims about their business practices even being remotely questionable? i don't fucking get it[/QUOTE] Sobotnik's relevance levels were dropping dangerously low so he automatically went into spam mode This is true too he's a transhumanist android and this is just in his programming

I thought terminator seeds were not commercially available?

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40795194]You signed a contract with them though. Plus Monsanto only had about 150 cases out of 250,000 farmers, and only 11 of those actually went to court. If you changed the law so that you could re-use the seeds, then Monsanto would see little point in developing new seeds. Plus it would mean that videogame companies would be powerless to prevent consumers from making copies of games and selling them to people.[/QUOTE] What the fuck argument are you using. The reason people would buy new seeds is because each generation is BETTER. You're jut fucking with people with that last comment. Seriously. [img]http://puu.sh/31TGo.png[/img] Nice try on editing that.

Monsanto's product MAY be doing good, but the company itself is rotten to the core. [editline]27th May 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;40795232]It's a contract. You sign it and you are legally obligated to uphold the contract. This is very simple stuff.[/QUOTE] BRB, getting the weeds in my backyard to sign a contract on that they'd stay out of my strawberry patch.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40795208] Monsanto doesn't produce sterile seeds though.[/QUOTE] my mistake, I remember hearing somewhere that they had some patents on it but meh, they do do the next best thing and just ensure that you don't use the seeds the crop makes and are you seriously just going to have a go at one innacurate point and leave the ones with actual substance alone? this isn't how you argue

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40795208]It's not free of crimes mate. It's just that a lot of the criticisms brought against it are mostly about of fears about the technology or don't understand how the law operates. [editline]27th May 2013[/editline] Monsanto doesn't produce sterile seeds though.[/QUOTE] They produce seeds that cause the second generation to be duds.

[QUOTE=Van-man;40795252]Monsanto's product MAY be doing good, but the company itself is [B]rotten to the core.[/B] [editline]27th May 2013[/editline] BRB, getting the weeds in my backyard to sign a contract on that they'd stay out of my strawberry patch.[/QUOTE] Did you have to make a fruit/vegetable related metaphor

can someone with a working paypal change this guy's title back to 'massive irrelevant autismal fedora wearing retard' or whatever it was before - or even better just perma him

Imagine if you bought some apples at the supermarket but you had to save the cores and give them back to the supermarket after you're done eating them or they'll sue you for stealing seeds

[QUOTE=killerteacup;40795281]Did you have to make a fruit/vegetable related metaphor[/QUOTE] My subconsciousness makes me crack puns without I even get them until a few moments after. It's fucking scary.

yes we should all trust an actor to know the best things about farming ecology say what you want about GM crops, but i don't see how hugh grant's opinion is all that relevant.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;40795246]What the fuck argument are you using. The reason people would buy new seeds is because each generation is BETTER.[/QUOTE] And then subsequently that person would sell the seeds, and its usage would spread, very quickly forcing Monsanto to think "Hang on, why bother making new seed types if people are just going to spread them about and reuse them whilst we get barely anything for it"? [editline]27th May 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Paul McCartney;40795279]They produce seeds that cause the second generation to be duds.[/QUOTE] Don't talk bollocks, they don't produce sterile ones. [editline]27th May 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=joes33431;40795317]yes we should all trust an actor to know the best things about farming ecology say what you want about GM crops, but i don't see how hugh grant's opinion is all that relevant.[/QUOTE] This is the CEO of Monsanto. You had one job.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;40795279]They produce seeds that cause the second generation to be duds.[/QUOTE] As far as i know they aren't and even if they are, in a few billion seeds there are bound to be a few thousands that can reproduce. The bad thing is not the GM per se but the contract that forbids farmers from reusing seeds they grow off bought ones. [editline]26th May 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=joes33431;40795317]yes we should all trust an actor to know the best things about farming ecology say what you want about GM crops, but i don't see how hugh grant's opinion is all that relevant.[/QUOTE] This is funny.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40795326]And then subsequently that person would sell the seeds, and its usage would spread, very quickly forcing Monsanto to think "Hang on, why bother making new seed types if people are just going to spread them about and reuse them whilst we get barely anything for it"?[/QUOTE] Hey so why doesn't Monsanto also require that farmers sell the harvest to them as well, so they can control both ends of the agriculture industry? That'd make them lots of money and be totally okay, right?

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40795326]And then subsequently that person would sell the seeds, and its usage would spread, very quickly forcing Monsanto to think "Hang on, why bother making new seed types if people are just going to spread them about and reuse them whilst we get barely anything for it"? [editline]27th May 2013[/editline] Don't talk bollocks, they don't produce sterile ones. [editline]27th May 2013[/editline] This is the CEO of Monsanto. You had one job.[/QUOTE] Man, cause iD totally shut down after making their engines open source with each new generation. Man. Cause Valve totally shut down after giving out and hosting resources that aid in content creation. Shitty argument.