Oregon militia's behavior increasingly brazen as public property destroyed
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Source: [url]http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/16/oregon-militias-behavior-increasingly-brazen-as-public-property-destroyed[/url]
[QUOTE]The militiamen [URL="http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/15/oregon-militia-standoff-arrest-stolen-government-vehicle-burns-oregon-police-kenneth-medenbach"]occupying a wildlife refuge in eastern Oregon[/URL] have adopted increasingly bold and risky tactics in their protest against the federal government, raising questions about how long law enforcement officials can allow the standoff to continue.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Now entering their third week of [URL="http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/14/armed-oregon-militia-federal-law-legal-experts-prosecution-prison-fines"]occupying the Malheur national wildlife refuge[/URL]in rural Harney County, leaders of the militia appear to be testing the patience of the local sheriff’s department and the FBI by brazenly commandeering and in some cases destroying public property while escalating their anti-government rhetoric.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]When driving their own vehicles, however, high-profile militia leaders have had no difficulty entering and leaving the compound. In fact, Finicum and Ryan Bundy, Ammon’s brother, recently left the refuge and drove out of Oregon and were then able to return to the occupation without facing any contact with law enforcement, Finicum told the Guardian.[/QUOTE]
This isn't going to become another Waco, is it? Because I don't think we need one of those right now.
Spike strip the roads in/out of the compound, refuse traffic to enter the facility, patrol around it.
Siege them like you would a castle. Don't just go in guns blazing (like Waco/Ruby Ridge). Instead, just starve them out.
The way they act shows that they will quickly begin to lose hope once they find out they cant eat guns.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;49546004]Spike strip the roads in/out of the compound, refuse traffic to enter the facility, patrol around it.
Siege them like you would a castle. Don't just go in guns blazing (like Waco/Ruby Ridge). Instead, just starve them out.
The way they act shows that they will quickly begin to lose hope once they find out they cant eat guns.[/QUOTE]
This is basically how to ought to do it. Cut off all food and other supplies from getting in until they give up. (Knowing these sorts, it won't take long at all).
Also considering what they're doing, they'll be lucky to get out of doing jail time.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49546156]This is basically how to ought to do it. Cut off all food and other supplies from getting in until they give up. (Knowing these sorts, it won't take long at all).[/QUOTE]
They're expecting some massive, waco styled assault that will turn them into martyrs.
The most humiliating and crushing blow to their morale is to not give them that, but instead force them to surrender because they ran out of food.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;49546221]They're expecting some massive, waco styled assault that will turn them into martyrs.
The most humiliating and crushing blow to their morale is to not give them that, but instead force them to surrender because they ran out of food.[/QUOTE]
They'll start to wonder if those dozens of dildos they got are edible in their darkest hour.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;49546221]They're expecting some massive, waco styled assault that will turn them into martyrs.
The most humiliating and crushing blow to their morale is to not give them that, but instead force them to surrender because they ran out of food.[/QUOTE]
They might just suicidally rush the police to break the blockade.
Keep mailing them dildos to keep their morale down.
Why can't they do this bullshit elsewhere like outside Dick Cheney's compound or some shit instead of a fucking wildlife refuge.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49546310]They might just suicidally rush the police to break the blockade.[/QUOTE]
If they try to rush law enforcement at the site, they better make sure they aren't armed when they do so. That's a great way to get justifiably shot. And hopefully if they do, there won't be any hesitation about shooting them. They're a bunch of disgraceful chucklefucks.
Militia men occupying federal property is shit you expect to hear from Africa or the Middle-East not the fucking USA. It blows my mind.
heard someone call them Y'all Qaeda the other day
[editline]16th January 2016[/editline]
and the yee-hawd
The feds gotta get a grip on this shit and show some balls otherwise they'll keep getting more bold.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;49546221]They're expecting some massive, waco styled assault that will turn them into martyrs.
The most humiliating and crushing blow to their morale is to not give them that, but instead force them to surrender because they ran out of food.[/QUOTE]
They would be more than willing to launch their own bloody assault on the police forces if they believed they were truly trapped without supplies or a way to get them.
While it seems at odds with deterring them or punishing them, forcing them in to a corner is more dangerous than simply playing softball with them.
Federal and legal forces would much rather they get bored and go home, rather than force a confrontation that could end in a highly publicized and visible gun battle with untold numbers on both sides wounded and killed.
Particularly since any wounded and killed on either side can easily be spun as "government tyranny" or "the power of the people!" and would only serve to promote future activities such as this.
The police won't act until it becomes a crisis because they're white. Heck even the media describes them as basically peaceful protesters despite them being armed and spouting hate.
[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;49546511]They would be more than willing to launch their own bloody assault on the police forces if they believed they were truly trapped without supplies or a way to get them.
While it seems at odds with deterring them or punishing them, forcing them in to a corner is more dangerous than simply playing softball with them.[/quote]
Much better to let them waste taxpayer money being fuckwits then?
Who gives a shit if they charge the police blockade and are killed.
[quote]Federal and legal forces would much rather they get bored and go home, rather than force a confrontation that could end in a highly publicized and visible gun battle with untold numbers on both sides wounded and killed.[/quote]
Seems like federal forces should be able to remove any risk of injuries on their side unless the "militia" has some form of anti-tank weaponry.
[quote]Particularly since any wounded and killed on either side can easily be spun as "government tyranny" or "the power of the people!" and would only serve to promote future activities such as this.[/QUOTE]
The people that would spin them charging a police blockade with guns as "government tyranny" after illegally seizing federal land would be the same people who would just make something up lacking any real incident anyway.
[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;49546511]They would be more than willing to launch their own bloody assault on the police forces if they believed they were truly trapped without supplies or a way to get them.
While it seems at odds with deterring them or punishing them, forcing them in to a corner is more dangerous than simply playing softball with them.[/QUOTE]
playing softball with them basically inspires other groups to get up and start pulling shit like this. allowing them to seize property they don't own and bully other people into submission using threat of violence only weakens respect for the law and damages civil society
[quote]since any wounded and killed on either side can easily be spun as "government tyranny" or "the power of the people!" and would only serve to promote future activities such as this.[/quote]
if you see websites of these nutcases it's pretty obvious they can spin anything no matter what. i mean militia guys are often also the type who believe that the US government orchestrated 9/11 or that there's aliens at area 51.
if the government doesn't do anything, it's spun as "the people won a victory", and if the government does do something, its "tyranny of the police state" or some other shit
Besiege them and starve them out.
I'm all for smaller government but doing shit like this is asinine and promotes more chaos and seizing of federal land.
really sticking it to the man, breaking a fence and paving a road. what's next, smashing a bench?
Guys... I'm pretty sure the Fed is just going to let them get bored and let them fuck-off that way. Any attack or attempt to act militarily towards them will only attract further support from the rest of the militia movement. The best solution is just to ignore them, and wait it out. Don't give them attention, don't lay siege and starve them out, and for all that is holy: Do not fucking Waco or Ruby Ridge it.
[QUOTE=axelord157;49546305]They'll start to wonder if those dozens of dildos they got are edible in their darkest hour.[/QUOTE]
Or maybe they might use them like this:
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/kv5Gm1k.png[/IMG]
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;49546720]Guys... I'm pretty sure the Fed is just going to let them get bored and let them fuck-off that way. Any attack or attempt to act militarily towards them will only attract further support from the rest of the militia movement. The best solution is just to ignore them, and wait it out. Don't give them attention, don't lay siege and starve them out, and for all that is holy: Do not fucking Waco or Ruby Ridge it.[/QUOTE]
Starving them out would be waiting them out.
You could give those unwilling to fight the option to surrender and face lesser charges, or hell, even no charges at all if they simply slung their weapons over their back and returned home.
A majority of these guys will cut and run at the first sight of a prolonged siege rather than an assault: because they're not prepared for that. They're prepared for Waco, or some fight that will see a bloody mess on both sides.
If they see the government is just going to sit, wait, and watch them starve to death, they'll grow nervous quickly and want to leave. We do it with hostage situations all the time.
This isn't like a bully on a playground, you don't just ignore him.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;49546785]Let them destroy public property with no consequence because any attempt to get them arrested in some fashion would aggravate them.[/QUOTE]
keep track of who they are and arrest them when this shit is done but going "RAAH KILL THEM" is a bit fucked up
[editline]16th January 2016[/editline]
waiting them out is the best bet but wacoing them is not a good thing at all
[QUOTE=RichyZ;49546785]Let them destroy public property with no consequence because any attempt to get them arrested in some fashion would aggravate them.[/QUOTE]
Take names and photos from a distance, and arrest them within their own areas once they go back home. No need to make a big battle or massive siege campaign out of something which can be solved a month afterwards with people being arrested when they are pulled over for things like a speeding ticket and the like.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;49546004]Spike strip the roads in/out of the compound, refuse traffic to enter the facility, patrol around it.
Siege them like you would a castle. Don't just go in guns blazing (like Waco/Ruby Ridge). Instead, just starve them out.
The way they act shows that they will quickly begin to lose hope once they find out they cant eat guns.[/QUOTE]
They live in one of if not the reddest counties in America, nothing will happen because the locals are uncomfortable confronting exactly what they've believed is right over the years and now can see what can happen when you preach flaunting of the law, nothing short of creating all these guys will stop this because the local authorities aren't going to do what is needed
[QUOTE=Jordax;49546755]Or maybe they might use them like this:
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/kv5Gm1k.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Too gay for them, it'd be a more effective tactic for the police to use on them.
It's shameful that these thugs can do whatever they want just because they have arms.
I like how they're effectively alienating any and all support they had initially by being shitheads.
I mean if this was going to be the big start to ~the revolution~ like some nutters claim, they're off to a great start. Insurgencies can't survive without the hearts and minds of the people and they certainly can't survive off of dildos and hatemail.
[editline]16th January 2016[/editline]
I should occupy Ammon Bundy's house with my many, many guns in protest of this. Don't worry, I would bring all the toys I have in my sex dungeon as preemptive measure in case his goons try to send me tons of dildos.
Checkmate guys, I'm already a pervert.
[editline]16th January 2016[/editline]
oh and lmao:
[url]http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/bundy-bodyguard-arrested[/url]
[quote]Brian Cavalier, pictured second from left wearing a green scarf, had served as the occasional muscle man for the Bundy family as far back as the 2014 standoff in Nevada when he protected Cliven Bundy at his ranch. During his time in Oregon, Cavalier went by the code name "Fluffy Unicorn" at the refuge.[/quote]
nvm I don't want to get sent a bunch of weird MLP stuff, I'm not that far gone
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49547990]I like how they're effectively alienating any and all support they had initially by being shitheads.[/QUOTE]
Nope there's people who still think it's justified.
There's no winning. Kill them and they're martyrs, militia-themed chaos around the country.
Don't kill them and it's a sign of weakness, militia-themed chaos around the country.
The best situation would be to force them to surrender, but, ultimately, nothing good can come of this.
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