Innocent Man Shot to Death Inside Own Apartment by Deputies Who Mistook Him for Attempted Murder Sus - Polidicks

[img]http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17t0gqlzxj9vtjpg/xlarge.jpg[/img] [quote]LAKE COUNTY, Fla. - Lake County Sheriff's Office deputies shot and killed a man they assumed was an attempted murder suspect on Sunday, but they now know they shot the wrong man. In the early-morning hours, deputies knocked on 26-year-old Andrew Lee Scott's door without identifying themselves as law enforcement officers. Scott answered the door with a gun in his hand. "When we knocked on the door, the door opened and the occupant of that apartment was pointing a gun at deputies, and that's when we opened fire and killed him," Lt. John Herrell said. "Even though this subject is not the one we were looking for when he opened the door. He was pointing the gun at the deputy and if you put yourselves in the deputy's shoes. They were there to pick up someone who was wanted for an attempted homicide." Officials said the deputies did not identify themselves because of safety reasons. Deputies thought they were confronting Jonathan Brown, a man accused of attempted murder. Brown was spotted at the Blueberry Hills Apartment complex and his motorcycle was parked across from Andrew Scott's front door. "It's just a bizarre set of circumstances. The bottom line is, you point a gun at a deputy sheriff or police office, you're going to get shot," Herrell said. Residents said the unannounced knock at the door at 1:30 a.m. may be the reason why the tragedy happened. "He was the wrong guy and he got shot and killed anyway. There's fault on both sides. I think more so on the county," Ryan Perry said. "I can understand why he [the deputy] did it, but it should have never gone down like that," Perry said. Scott's friend, LeMac Blount said he thinks law enforcement acted too quickly. "I think because his motorcycle was parked in front of Andrew's door, it wasn't safe to assume that that was where he was at. I think they should of took other precautions," said Blout. [/quote] Read more: [url]http://www.wesh.com/news/central-florida/Deputies-shoot-kill-man-after-knocking-on-wrong-door/-/11788162/15527202/-/euk6tg/-/index.html#ixzz20sM8htXH[/url] I have mixed thoughts about this, the deputies should had identified themselves, but it was at 1:30am, so you probably be worried about the person knocking. Eh, I'll wait for the investigation to finish.

What happened to shooting knees and legs? Is it standard procedure to empty your clip into the chest/abdomen area of the suspect?

They're knocking on the door in the middle of the night (and it's America), did you REALLY expect him to just open up casually? Didn't identify themselves "for safety reasons"? What kind of circumstances/conditions happen where it's safer to not identify yourself when you're a goddamn cop going for an arrest?

Well, he did point a gun at them. If you're so paranoid that you point a gun at people knocking your fucking door I guess you're going to get into a lot of trouble eventually. The officers just responded as anyone would at someone pointing a firearm at them, neutralize the threat.

[QUOTE=Hoffa1337;36807923]What happened to shooting knees and legs? Is it standard procedure to empty your clip into the chest/abdomen area of the suspect?[/QUOTE] you dont aim for the legs cops arent trained to aim for the legs thats maiming cops only shoot with intent to kill they shot him because he had a gun and they thought he was an attempted murder suspect, they thought they were in danger cops were stupid for not IDing themselves as police officers before entering, guy was stupid for opening the door with a visible gun in his hand. basically a life could have been spared if some idiots thought some shit out.

[QUOTE=Hoffa1337;36807923]What happened to shooting knees and legs? Is it standard procedure to empty your clip into the chest/abdomen area of the suspect?[/QUOTE] Holy shit you're a moron. Let me explain police procedure in the US. IT IS INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT TO HIT THE LIMBS OF A SUSPECT. HEADSHOTS ARE NOT A THING. Officers are trained to aim for center mass, you know that big easiest place to hit thing, AND SHOOT IT REPEATEDLY until they are no longer a threat. Dead, surrendering, unarmed, whatever. They do not go "Oh okay well you shoot me in the chest and i'll try to hit you in the legs hurr durr". Not to mention that the fucking limbs have huge arteries in them like the femoral in your thigh and you will die anyway if a bullet hits one of them. Jesus fuck life is not a video game.

[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;36807928]They're knocking on the door in the middle of the night (and it's America), did you REALLY expect him to just open up casually? Didn't identify themselves "for safety reasons"? What kind of circumstances/conditions happen where it's safer to not identify yourself when you're a goddamn cop going for an arrest?[/QUOTE] Last year one night a policeman knocked on my door. It was about 2:00AM and the night after Easter, plus I live in a rural area where 3 villages are patrolled by only 1 squad car so the last thing that would ever come in my mind was a policeman. A psychopath in an easter bunny suit seemed more likely to me.

[QUOTE=scout1;36807951]Holy shit you're a moron. Let me explain police procedure in the US. [/QUOTE] I thought that is the procedure for all Law Enforcement around the world?

[QUOTE=shian;36808011]I thought that is the procedure for all Law Enforcement around the world?[/QUOTE] Nah in North Korea you are rounded up and summarily executed in the name of the dear leader

this is really why you shouldn't go cowboy waving a gun around whenever the peace is disrupted

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[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;36807942]Well, he did point a gun at them. If you're so paranoid that you point a gun at people knocking your fucking door I guess you're going to get into a lot of trouble eventually. The officers just responded as anyone would at someone pointing a firearm at them, neutralize the threat.[/QUOTE] It was half one in the morning. How often do you get knocks on the door at half one in the morning?

[QUOTE=shian;36808011]I thought that is the procedure for all Law Enforcement around the world?[/QUOTE] Im pretty sure that cops in germany are trained to hit the limbs, but then again we dont have weapons on everybody.

[QUOTE=scout1;36807951]Holy shit you're a moron. Let me explain police procedure in the US. IT IS INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT TO HIT THE LIMBS OF A SUSPECT. HEADSHOTS ARE NOT A THING. Officers are trained to aim for center mass, you know that big easiest place to hit thing, AND SHOOT IT REPEATEDLY until they are no longer a threat. Dead, surrendering, unarmed, whatever. They do not go "Oh okay well you shoot me in the chest and i'll try to hit you in the legs hurr durr". Not to mention that the fucking limbs have huge arteries in them like the femoral in your thigh and you will die anyway if a bullet hits one of them. Jesus fuck life is not a video game.[/QUOTE] You should calm the fuck down, you could have easily said that without looking like an ass.

[QUOTE=st_nick5;36808196]It was half one in the morning. How often do you get knocks on the door at half one in the morning?[/QUOTE] I wouldn't expect a robber or anything really

[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;36807942]Well, he did point a gun at them. If you're so paranoid that you point a gun at people knocking your fucking door I guess you're going to get into a lot of trouble eventually. The officers just responded as anyone would at someone pointing a firearm at them, neutralize the threat.[/QUOTE] If it's 1:30 in the fucking morning. The most likely option is that I don't open the door, and if I [b]am[/b] going to open it you can be damn sure I'm not doing it unarmed.

[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;36808293]If it's 1:30 in the fucking morning. The most likely option is that I don't open the door, and if I [b]am[/b] going to open it you can be damn sure I'm not doing it unarmed.[/QUOTE] You're pretty paranoid

[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;36808293]If it's 1:30 in the fucking morning. The most likely option is that I don't open the door, and if I [b]am[/b] going to open it you can be damn sure I'm not doing it unarmed.[/QUOTE] I think there is very little chance of criminals giving you warning when they are planning on murdering/robbing you. They'd probably sneak in.

[QUOTE=scout1;36807951]Holy shit you're a moron. Let me explain police procedure in the US. IT IS INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT TO HIT THE LIMBS OF A SUSPECT. HEADSHOTS ARE NOT A THING. Officers are trained to aim for center mass, you know that big easiest place to hit thing, AND SHOOT IT REPEATEDLY until they are no longer a threat. Dead, surrendering, unarmed, whatever. They do not go "Oh okay well you shoot me in the chest and i'll try to hit you in the legs hurr durr". Not to mention that the fucking limbs have huge arteries in them like the femoral in your thigh and you will die anyway if a bullet hits one of them. Jesus fuck life is not a video game.[/QUOTE] Hence why I asked if it was standard procedure. We rarely have fatal shootings by police here in Sweden due to the fact that our police is trained to shoot limbs and inflict non-lethal wounds, even against armed suspects. Rubber bullets is a pretty common thing too. I never stated it was like in videogames, neither did i mention shooting in the head. I'm sorry I ruined your day for not knowing the procedures which everyone should know according to the way you wrote your reply.

[QUOTE=Hoffa1337;36808426]Hence why I asked if it was standard procedure. We rarely have fatal shootings by police here in Sweden due to the fact that our police is trained to shoot limbs and inflict non-lethal wounds, even against armed suspects. Rubber bullets is a pretty common thing too. I never stated it was like in videogames, neither did i mention shooting in the head. I'm sorry I ruined your day for not knowing the procedures which everyone should know according to the way you wrote your reply.[/QUOTE] I think the lack of fatal shootings in Sweden is more due to the fact that the police don't commonly shoot people to begin with. besides, I don't imagine there's as much crime that would warrant opening fire in Sweden, or at least not in comparison to the US.

[QUOTE=Hoffa1337;36807923]What happened to shooting knees and legs? Is it standard procedure to empty your clip into the chest/abdomen area of the suspect?[/QUOTE] This isn't CoD. It's not particularly easy to shoot someone in the legs on a moments notice.

[QUOTE=PaChIrA;36808302]I think there is very little chance of criminals giving you warning when they are planning on murdering/robbing you. They'd probably sneak in.[/QUOTE] Most criminals aren't trained ninjas who climb walls like a goddamn cat and sneak in your bedroom window to steal your loot.

[QUOTE=PaChIrA;36808302]I think there is very little chance of criminals giving you warning when they are planning on murdering/robbing you. They'd probably sneak in.[/QUOTE] 1) knock 2) beat the shit out of (or stab) the guy when he opens the door 3) steal his stuff Seems like a thing robbers would do, it's easier than sneaking (it's not Deus Ex so there aren't giant air vents everywhere).

1) knock on guys door in the middle of the night (don't tell him you're THE MAN) 2) shoot him when he opens the door, utilizing one of his rights as an american citizen 3) it isn't out fault. he opened his door in the middle of the night, not us. he was pointing a gun at one of us (in the middle of the night, a group of armed unidentified men possibly going to rape and rob him) ??? ??? I mean seriously what the fuck did they expect, it's America. Just about everyone who is going to answer the door at 1:30Am to a group of unidentified men is going to have some sort of protection. it being America, how can you not expect him to use that gun he has. (which he owns for this very reason. people possibly going to rape and murder him in the dead of night) Holy shit, too. Why WOULDN'T you identify yourself as a police officer? If this guy they're looking for has killed/tried to kill, you won't be any safer not identifying yourself.

[QUOTE=Kljunas;36808664]1) knock 2) beat the shit out of (or stab) the guy when he opens the door 3) steal his stuff Seems like a thing robbers would do, it's easier than sneaking (it's not Deus Ex so there aren't giant air vents everywhere).[/QUOTE] And this tactic isn't hard to do at all, which is why it happens so often. A large portion of intrusions happen when some clueless old lady opens the door at night and gets decked in the face as a couple of armed men force their way in.

Honestly, this is extremely sickening to me, mainly because I would have reacted the same way as the victim did.

[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;36808883]Honestly, this is extremely sickening to me, mainly because I would have reacted the same way as the victim did.[/QUOTE] I probably would have reacted the same way the police did. [editline]17th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=PaChIrA;36808302]I think there is very little chance of criminals giving you warning when they are planning on murdering/robbing you. They'd probably sneak in.[/QUOTE] Most robbers would knock on the door, to assure that nobody was home. Then they would break in.

[QUOTE=Hoffa1337;36807923]What happened to shooting knees and legs? Is it standard procedure to empty your clip into the chest/abdomen area of the suspect?[/QUOTE] You do know that that's kind of hard to do in stressful situation. While shooting the lower body is a safer place to shoot the suspect, it's also a very hard place to hit. The Torso is the largest and easiest thing to hit on a human body, and that's what most officers are taught to shoot at.

I honestly don't think that anybody involved (at least directly) is at fault here. It's just an unfortunate accident. The victim wasn't at fault for trying to defend himself, and the police weren't at fault for assuming that the man, who they thought was a murder suspect, pointing a gun at them was going to attack.

[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;36808883]Honestly, this is extremely sickening to me, mainly because I would have reacted the same way as the victim did.[/QUOTE] Same. Now it's like - either go to the door armed and fear being either shot or arrested due to it, or go unarmed and fear being robbed or assaulted for it. There should be some sort of reprimand on the police here. I don't think the situation calls for an extreme punishment like firing them, but at least an ear beating is in call.