[QUOTE]Whitehall sources say information has emerged that MH17 crash evidence was deliberately tampered with, as the plane's black boxes arrive in the UK.
The sources said this included moving bodies and scattering the parts of other aircraft among the wreckage of the downed Malaysia Airlines plane.
The Air Accidents Investigation Branch in Farnborough, Hampshire, has received the flight recorders for analysis.
All 298 people were killed in the crash in eastern Ukraine on 17 July.
They included 10 Britons on the flight from Amsterdam.
Whitehall sources also told the BBC that pro-Russian rebels are believed to have discussed plans to hand MH17's two black box flight recorders over to Russia.
It is understood that some of these conversations were intercepted by Ukrainian intelligence but the information is considered nevertheless to be "very persuasive".
Intelligence has also been obtained which strongly indicates that the plane was shot down by an SA-11 BUK missile launched from a separatist-held area.
British accident investigators will attempt to retrieve data from the recorders following a request by authorities in the Netherlands who are leading the investigation.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28439862[/url]
How many bodies were missing from the actual count from the crash and sent to the Netherlands?
This investigation has become a nightmare born from another nightmare.
[QUOTE=Kite_shugo;45476728]How many bodies were missing from the actual count from the crash and sent to the Netherlands?
This investigation has become a nightmare born from another nightmare.[/QUOTE]
How many levels in are we now?
[QUOTE=dunkace;45476687][url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28439862[/url][/QUOTE]
Scattering parts of other aircraft???
Are you kidding me?
[B]SuperSensationalist [/B]Thread Title by the way. BBC says they have "sources" even thought soo far only Malaysian experts are wokring on crashsite.
Oh my god, you people actually going to believe that one, don't you.
[QUOTE=karimatrix;45476755]Scattering parts of other aircraft???
Are you kidding me?
[B]SuperSensationalist [/B]Thread Title by the way. BBC says they have "sources" even thought soo far only Malaysian experts are wokring on crashsite.
Oh my god, you people actually going to believe that one, don't you.[/QUOTE]
I've noticed that you've been in every single thread that has anything to do with this event, and you're desperately trying to defend Russia's "Good name."
[QUOTE=ZakkShock;45476799]I've noticed that you've been in every single thread that has anything to do with this event, and you're desperately trying to defend Russia's "Good name."[/QUOTE]
That is incredibly relevant to topic.
[QUOTE=ZakkShock;45476799]I've noticed that you've been in every single thread that has anything to do with this event, and you're desperately trying to defend Russia's "Good name."[/QUOTE]
Well, you'll find most Russians, or in matter of fact, a lot of people defending their country just because it's their country no matter what.
[editline]23rd July 2014[/editline]
Not that it's a terrible thing to do, ease up.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;45476861]Well, you'll find most Russians, or in matter of fact, a lot of people defending their country just because it's their country no matter what.
[editline]23rd July 2014[/editline]
Not that it's a terrible thing to do, ease up.[/QUOTE]
I can't ease up, I'm american.
We either care too much or not at all.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;45476861]Well, you'll find most Russians, or in matter of fact, a lot of people defending their country just because it's their country no matter what.
[editline]23rd July 2014[/editline]
Not that it's a terrible thing to do, ease up.[/QUOTE]
The reason we still have blind nationalism is because people still think blind nationalism is okay
[QUOTE=Jund;45476890]The reason we still have blind nationalism is because people still think blind nationalism is okay[/QUOTE]
I don't mind when people defend themselves because there's so much you can get out of the news when you don't live in their shoes but being blind to obvious facts and ignoring the truth is something I obviously don't support or like.
[QUOTE=karimatrix;45476755]Scattering parts of other aircraft???
Are you kidding me?
[B]SuperSensationalist [/B]Thread Title by the way. BBC says they have "sources" even thought soo far only Malaysian experts are wokring on crashsite.
Oh my god, you people actually going to believe that one, don't you.[/QUOTE]
yes all those malaysian experts who were part of the russian backed rebels we saw on news footage 11/10
Thread with over-sensationalist title and non impressive BBC article shifts in nationalism discussion just because i pointed out silliness of message in OP article.
Please don't do that.
[QUOTE=karimatrix;45476755][B]SuperSensationalist [/B]Thread Title by the way. BBC says they have "sources" even thought soo far only Malaysian experts are wokring on crashsite.[/QUOTE]the sloppy spelling leads me to imagine you frothing in terrible rage as you type this
it's a great mental image
[QUOTE=karimatrix;45476920]Thread with over-sensationalist title and non impressive BBC article shifts in nationalism discussion just because i pointed out silliness of message in OP article.
Please don't do that.[/QUOTE]
Unless a mod comes in and tells us not to, you can't tell us shit, sorry.
[QUOTE=karimatrix;45476755]Scattering parts of other aircraft???
Are you kidding me?
[B]SuperSensationalist [/B]Thread Title by the way. BBC says they have "sources" even thought soo far only Malaysian experts are wokring on crashsite.
Oh my god, you people actually going to believe that one, don't you.[/QUOTE]
That flag though. How much are you being payed?
[QUOTE=karimatrix;45476755]Scattering parts of other aircraft???
Are you kidding me?
[B]SuperSensationalist [/B]Thread Title by the way. BBC says they have "sources" even thought soo far only Malaysian experts are wokring on crashsite.
Oh my god, you people actually going to believe that one, don't you.[/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNXf_HncM20[/media]
How is telling OCSE officials to back away from the wreckage after only being allowed to investigate some of it allowing experts to work at the crash site. Oh, not only to back away, but by threat of gunfire. Or the asking of people on the ground not to touch the site until Dutch or Malaysian officials get there.
[QUOTE=karimatrix;45476920]Thread with over-sensationalist title and non impressive BBC article shifts in nationalism discussion just because i pointed out silliness of message in OP article.
Please don't do that.[/QUOTE]
This wouldn't have happened had you not posted and kept your 2 cents to yourself. You don't need to post in every fucking thread related to this incident.
I'm not saying you can't or can't post btw. Just people are getting sick and tired of your shit.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;45476973][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNXf_HncM20[/media]
How is telling OCSE officials to back away from the wreckage after only being allowed to investigate some of it allowing experts to work at the crash site. Oh, not only to back away, but by threat of gunfire. Or the asking of people on the ground not to touch the site until Dutch or Malaysian officials get there.[/QUOTE]
First of all OSCE are not flight experts, secondly, as the video stated, at the moment place was considered by rebels to be quite dangerous. Not to mention that they actually asked people to not touch place soo articles like one in OP, stating that site was "tampered with" before expert's arrival, would not exist.
[editline]23rd July 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;45477008]This wouldn't have happened had you not posted and kept your 2 cents to yourself. You don't need to post in every fucking thread related to this incident.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;45476934]Unless a mod comes in and tells us not to, you can't tell us shit, sorry.[/QUOTE]
Riiight...
Soo anyone to question BBC's credibility of sources?
[QUOTE=karimatrix;45477017]First of all OSCE are not flight experts, secondly, as the video stated, at the moment place was considered by rebels to be quite dangerous. Not to mention that they actually asked people to not touch place soo articles like one in OP, stating that site was "tampered with" before expert's arrival, would not exist.[/QUOTE]
you could win a gold medal with these mental gymnastics
[QUOTE=seano12;45476947]That flag though. How much are you being payed?[/QUOTE]
the same amount as laserguided
[QUOTE=karimatrix;45476755]Scattering parts of other aircraft???
Are you kidding me?[/QUOTE]
there are tonnes of sources claiming shady things about the crash site, from moving parts around, to not letting investigators in, to stealing from the aircraft and human wreckage
there is also video evidence of some of these things happening, some of which is in this thread
so why are you gawking at the idea of moving parts of the crash site around to dupe the investigators? this doesn't seem far-fetched at all - the rebels have already constantly lied and tried to cover up everything from shooting down the plane, to shooting with it a buk, to having a buk at all. they even claimed they didn't have the blackboxes, and now they've handed the blackboxes over. i think it's pretty clear there's nothing they won't do to cover their asses
anyway, what would sources in whitehall have to gain from making up stupid lies about the rebels? yeh they can tarnish russia's good name (lol) but there's not much else from there
[QUOTE=karimatrix;45477017]First of all OSCE are not flight experts,[/QUOTE]
No, but they are... THE ORGINIZATION FOR SECURITY AND CO-OPPERATION IN EUROPE. They're there to say "HEY, shit got fucked up, but you need to leave this to us to investigate alongside other agencies."
Which comes to...
[QUOTE=karimatrix;45477017]secondly, as the video stated, at the moment place was considered by rebels to be quite dangerous.[/QUOTE]
It's dangerous because of the rebels, they had no right to claim ownership over the plane wreckage area, and have no more the rights to tell international investigators to fuck off like they did. Watch the video and see the rebel commander tell them to back away or "he won't be asking nicely". This is why the area is "quite dangerous". Then we come to this...
[QUOTE=karimatrix;45477017][b]Not to mention that they actually asked people to not touch place soo articles like one in OP, stating that site was "tampered with" before expert's arrival, would not exist.[/b][/QUOTE]
What the fuck are you talking about? Like, I actually can't understand this reading it a couple times. Try a little better explaining.
[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;45477064]there are tonnes of sources claiming shady things about the crash site, from moving parts around, to not letting investigators in, to stealing from the aircraft and human wreckage
there is also video evidence of some of these things happening, some of which is in this thread
so why are you gawking at the idea of moving parts of the crash site around to dupe the investigators? this doesn't seem far-fetched at all - the rebels have already constantly lied and tried to cover up everything from shooting down the plane, to shooting with it a buk, to having a buk at all. they even claimed they didn't have the blackboxes, and now they've handed the blackboxes over. i think it's pretty clear there's nothing they won't do to cover their asses
anyway, what would sources in whitehall have to gain from making up stupid lies about the rebels? yeh they can tarnish russia's good name (lol) but there's not much else from there[/QUOTE]
Why even bother
Push too hard and all you'll get is "Ukranian/NATO conspiracy"
[editline]23rd July 2014[/editline]
"Well, you can't prove it's NOT a conspiracy!!"
Honestly, the absolute best approach with Karimatrix at this point is to just ignore him. Hopefully he'll cross the right line soon and not clog up threads anymore.
[QUOTE=karimatrix;45476755]Scattering parts of other aircraft???
Are you kidding me?
[B]SuperSensationalist [/B]Thread Title by the way. BBC says they have "sources" even thought soo far only Malaysian experts are wokring on crashsite.
Oh my god, you people actually going to believe that one, don't you.[/QUOTE]
sneaky putin pls go
[quote]The sources said this included moving bodies and scattering the parts of other aircraft among the wreckage of the downed Malaysia Airlines plane.[/quote]
Wasn't the aircraft hardcore looted? Maybe it wasn't deliberate interfering with the investigation, but instead some people stealing phones and taking plane parts for scrap and such.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;45477133]Honestly, the absolute best approach with Karimatrix at this point is to just ignore him. Hopefully he'll cross the right line soon and not clog up threads anymore.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, if you can't take what he says ignore him. Don't insult him, that doesn't help at all. I've already banned people for it before, and I don't want to do it again, because it feels like I'm banning people over opinions.
[QUOTE=karimatrix;45476920]Thread with over-sensationalist title and non impressive BBC article shifts in nationalism discussion just because i pointed out silliness of message in OP article.
Please don't do that.[/QUOTE]
Don't tell people not to post news telling the truth. What are your sources of information? What argument are you trying to male? You're going to nesd to clarify your position and prsent an argument with facts and evidence to support your claims.
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;45477495]Don't tell people not to post news telling the truth. What are your sources of information? What argument are you trying to male? You're going to nesd to clarify your position and prsent an argument with facts and evidence to support your claims.[/QUOTE]
First of all. I do not see how article in OP is by any means is[B] truth[/B]
It simply presents idea that BBC have "some sources" saying that there was tempering with evidence, not accounting for a fact that damn thing fell down in war zone, and how it was mentioned before, got plenty of citizen access before rebels seized area and attempted to prevent more people from wandering around debree, taking pics and picking up stuff.
Secondly, like i said, thread's title, consists of way sensationalist figure of speech.
This is no 'tampering of Evidence' This is a mere "BBC Sources - Tampering of Evidence.
Also, if we'd look in article ourselfs, i'd say it's portion dedicated to mention of such "tampering" takes
only five lines of text out of whole article wich basically narrowly recollects all events thus far.
Seriously, here is whole except where sources or tempering is even mentioned atleast
[quote]Whitehall sources say information has emerged that MH17 crash evidence was deliberately tampered with, as the plane's black boxes arrive in the UK.
The sources said this included moving bodies and scattering the parts of other aircraft among the wreckage of the downed Malaysia Airlines plane.[/quote]
Five lines of text without any solid confirmation can be considered vital credible info? Not really.
Also, i would like to mention that i am the one here who for some reason asked to stop posting, while i merely asked politely to notice article rather then start debate over myself. but i guess you saw the reaction, i mean, i hope you do.
Yeah it was hardcore looted.
Apparently the seperatists were more suspicious of a group of independant people meddling with evidence and stealing shit, than they were with the locals because those were allowed to just walk around and take shit.
Today in Dutch news papers a story was published, where a mom called her deceased daughters phone and it was answered by a man with a heavy eastern european accent.
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