Trump: Clinton Can't Protect LGBT Community While Importing Those Who Want To Oppress Them - Polidicks

[QUOTE] Donald Trump says that despite his politically incorrect and often imperfect way of speaking, his actions to prevent the spread of radical Islam will make him a better friend to the LGBT community than Hillary Clinton and her "words."[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]"She can’t have it both ways," he said about Clinton. "She can’t claim to be supportive of these communities while trying to increase the number of people coming in who want to oppress them." "Ask yourself, who is really the friend of women and the LGBT community," he mused. "Donald Trump with his actions, or Hillary Clinton with her words?" "Clinton wants to allow Radical Islamic terrorists to pour into our country—they enslave women, and murder gays," he said. "I don’t want them in our country."[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/06/13/trump_my_actions_will_help_lgbt_community_more_than_hillary_clintons_words.html[/url]

Pandering in the fucking wrong way, nice try trump.

it's what he does

can we have nobody be president and just all give up

Trump would not have been able to ban U.S. Citizens from being born anyways so his point his moot.

Trump is absolutely correct. Why let yucky foreign muslims oppress the LGBT community when I can let good ole fashioned AMERICAN (fuck yeah) republicans have the monopoly on fucking me over?

[QUOTE=geogzm;50516082]can we have nobody be president and just all give up[/QUOTE] What if we threw an election and nobody came?

You should watch the whole thing rather than falling for cherry picked lines. [video]https://youtu.be/GgRvYE2SQqE[/video]

[i]Nobody[/i] wants to "allow Radical Islamic terrorists to pour into our country." Nobody. Not Clinton, not anyone. Trump's just conflating [i]all[/i] Muslims with "Radical Islamic terrorists," even when they are distinguishable groups. Plus, the Pulse shooter [i]wasn't even a goddamn immigrant[/i].

[QUOTE=.Isak.;50518135]Plus, the Pulse shooter [i]wasn't even a goddamn immigrant[/i].[/QUOTE] *DISCLAIMER* I do not support Trump or the banning of Muslims. *DISCLAIMER* I never understood the point you're making. Yes, Trump's banning of Muslims wouldn't have stopped this specific guy, but this specific guy was the child of Muslim immigrants. So, in effect, his plan would stop similar people in the future.

[QUOTE=sgman91;50518159]*DISCLAIMER* I do not support Trump or the banning of Muslims. *DISCLAIMER* I never understood the point you're making. Yes, Trump's banning of Muslims wouldn't have stopped this specific guy, but this specific guy was the child of Muslim immigrants. So, in effect, his plan would stop similar people in the future.[/QUOTE] so the idea is to punish people for the potential crimes of their potential future children??

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;50518223]so the idea is to punish people for the potential crimes of their potential future children??[/QUOTE] No, the idea is to recognize the inherent risk of people who can be easily radicalized through Islam (or complete faith in a higher power, though in this case specifically Islam) and deny non-citizens entry to the united states if they are associated with that risk until it's more under control.

It's true that of the 20 something friends I have that are Muslims everyone is anti gay, at least openly. It's also true that of all the Catholics I know everyone is anti gay. That doesn't mean that all my friends want to shoot up bars with gay people in them. Unless someone is violent and unstable there is no problem and we might even be able to change their minds. Furthermore, how are you going to tell if a person would shoot up a bar with a background screening? You can keep people with a history of violent behavior out but what if they haven't done anything? You can't just assume that everyone from a country is militantly anti gay just because many people there are, they might even be coming to USA for that specific reason.

[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50516238]You should watch the whole thing rather than falling for cherry picked lines. [video]https://youtu.be/GgRvYE2SQqE[/video][/QUOTE] Can we have a better newssource, then? I really don't want to watch 30 minutes of donald trump rambling.

[QUOTE=sgman91;50518159]*DISCLAIMER* I do not support Trump or the banning of Muslims. *DISCLAIMER* I never understood the point you're making. Yes, Trump's banning of Muslims wouldn't have stopped this specific guy, but this specific guy was the child of Muslim immigrants. So, in effect, his plan would stop similar people in the future.[/QUOTE] Finally someone who agrees with me. We should castrate (chemically for we're not monsters) anyone who might give birth to a murderer in the future. Finally a solution presents itself. Sorry for the disingenuous remark but it's not a very rational approach imo

[QUOTE=.Isak.;50518135]wasn't even a goddamn immigrant[/QUOTE] His father who is pro-Taliban is tho. He posted a video after the shooting saying "God himself will punish those involved in homosexuality". We shouldn't let those kinds of backward ass fucks into our country.

[QUOTE=-nesto-;50518429]His father who is pro-Taliban is tho. He posted a video after the shooting saying "God himself will punish those involved in homosexuality". We shouldn't let those kinds of backward ass fucks into our country.[/QUOTE] We already have an enormous population of them in this country. Unless you're suggesting we also evict every single evangelical anti-gay Christian in the United States? Many have quotes far worse than this man's father.

I'd rather have someone who can't protect the LGBT community than a person who won't.

I am active in the LGBT community, and what i see is a lot of people getting pissed at hillary over this... anecdotal of course... but still... im talking forums with threads of hundreds of posts flipping their shit.

What he says makes a decent amount of sense, as much as I hate to say it. Suspending immigration from the middle east temporarily until effective checks can be put into place to keep people who have violent histories from entering the country. It would've kept this shooter's father out of the country because of his links to the taliban, and it would possibly have even kept the men who were responsible 9/11 out of the country. If we have to suspend immigration for a few years to reform our immigration laws and systems to make it so that -known taliban supporters- can't enter the country, then so be it, imo.

Remember that when he came to this country, the Taliban were still "the heroic Mujahideen freedom fighters" so praised by the Reagan administration.

suspending immigration by basically banning muslims from entering the country at all is a rather divisive policy though it also won't work

[QUOTE=Usernameztaken;50518740]What he says makes a decent amount of sense, as much as I hate to say it. Suspending immigration from the middle east temporarily until effective checks can be put into place to keep people who have violent histories from entering the country. It would've kept this shooter's father out of the country because of his links to the taliban, and it would possibly have even kept the men who were responsible 9/11 out of the country. If we have to suspend immigration for a few years to reform our immigration laws and systems to make it so that -known taliban supporters- can't enter the country, then so be it, imo.[/QUOTE] Why do you say 'Suspending immigration from the middle east' instead of just suspending it entirely? Many US shooting tragedies in recent years have been from white people, such as the movie theater incident, Sandy Hook and Columbine. I'm not American so my perspective is different and I'm interested in what people have to say, however it feels kind of gross that many of those from the US want to focus on Muslims and immigrants when their own people do just as much, if not more, damage.

[QUOTE] Many US shooting tragedies in recent years have been from white people, such as the movie theater incident, Sandy Hook and Columbine. I'm not American so my perspective is different and I'm interested in what people have to say, however it feels kind of gross that many of those from the US want to focus on Muslims and immigrants when their own people do just as much, if not more, damage. [/QUOTE] You're thinking of this as a racial problem when it's not. It's an ideological problem. In the same way that you should be reluctant in accepting immigrants from Nazi Germany, you should approach accepting immigrants from the Islamic world carefully.

[QUOTE=NiandraLades;50519142]Why do you say 'Suspending immigration from the middle east' instead of just suspending it entirely? Many US shooting tragedies in recent years have been from white people, such as the movie theater incident, Sandy Hook and Columbine. I'm not American so my perspective is different and I'm interested in what people have to say, however it feels kind of gross that many of those from the US want to focus on Muslims and immigrants when their own people do just as much, if not more, damage.[/QUOTE] Easier to blame muslim immigrants than the deeper and more complex issues the US faces. Republicans (and some democrats) take money from the NRA and change the narrative to not mention guns at all.

[QUOTE]to not mention guns at all. [/QUOTE] Except for both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton calling for gun control in the wake of this shooting? Not to mention, gun control would not be effective.

[QUOTE=Flug;50519155]Except for both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton calling for gun control in the wake of this shooting? Not to mention, gun control would not be effective.[/QUOTE] [quote]Republicans (and some democrats)[/quote] Some != all Gun control was effective in Australia. also I think guns are fun, I've never shot a rifle or pistol but I like shooting shotguns. Just you need more regulation, background checks and imo a gun owner database along with tracking gun movement. If a gun is found to have been used in a crime find the most recent owner and ask them why it ended up getting used there. There are ways round that but it would be a big step toward stopping this bs

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50519163]Some != all[/QUOTE] I would say the two most influential Democrats both using this shooting to push gun control demonstrates that the Democratic party is not being paid off by the NRA.

[QUOTE=Flug;50519171][quote]Some != all[/quote]I would say the two most influential Democrats both using this shooting to push gun control demonstrates that the Democratic party is not being paid off by the NRA.[/QUOTE] [quote]Some != all[/quote] some democrats being paid off doesn't mean all of the democrats/party as a whole are being paid off.

[QUOTE=sgman91;50518159]*DISCLAIMER* I do not support Trump or the banning of Muslims. *DISCLAIMER* I never understood the point you're making. Yes, Trump's banning of Muslims wouldn't have stopped this specific guy, but this specific guy was the child of Muslim immigrants. So, in effect, his plan would stop similar people in the future.[/QUOTE] By all accounts, his religion had very little to do with his actions. At the end of the day, his pledge to ISIS was only used to give some sick sense of justification to his action, and has all the air of an afterthought. Investigators have thus far found no evidence that he had any ties to extremist organizations or ideology prior to the moment of the attack. His family, friends, and coworkers say that he wasn't very religious. He has a history of mental illness, a history of violence, a history of homophobia and racism, and perhaps most interesting of all he even reportedly was a regular customer at Pulse and used several gay dating apps. Everything points to Mateen being a closeted homosexual struggling with his sexual identity, mental illness, and anger problems who eventually snapped and tried to put to rest his confusion and insecurities in a final horrifying declaration of "masculinity." His being a Muslim is completely incidental to this story. He could have just as easily been Christian, or had no religious affiliations at all, and his motivations for committing this brutality would be unchanged. So, while it's TECHNICALLY true that banning Muslim immigration during his parents' generation would have prevented this specific person from attacking, it's no more effective a strategy for preventing mass shootings than simply throwing a dart at a list of names.