I need your opinion on this.
My current specs are
Q9550 @ 4.0 GHZ
Gigabyte UD3P
4GB DDR2 Kingston (forgot the speed)
XFX 6950 Unlocked @ 880/1375
The problem being is Skyrim runs like shit, and I know it's the CPU and not anything else. I have tried Skyboost and Tesval, and my framerates still tank into 15-20 FPS when I'm in cities (Whiterun especially). Tried every other way of increasing framerates, even reducing video settings, no luck. A couple games run into CPU limitations as well.
The other thing is I use 3D Studio Max, and other programs that can take advantage of 8 threads, so I wouldn't be wasting money here. I also know that 2600K chips are generally higher binned, which could help with OCing. I had my eye on the P67 UD4 which would look good in my 650D. It's also 24 Phase (12 I mean, sorry), which I'd need for OCing in HT. I can price match that to $169 CAD, but the 2600K is still $319 CAD. I also have no idea what RAM would be appropriate for this. I heard Ripjaws were good.
My question is, is it worth the money, with Ivy Bridge releasing in less than 2 months? I know there are only minor performance increases and power reduction with IB (which I don't really care for).
Thanks.
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[QUOTE=Smoot;34887427]Do it. It will be cheaper to buy that now rather than Ivy Bridge when it first releases.[/QUOTE]
No actually it won't be.
[url]http://www.techspot.com/news/46727-intel-ivy-bridge-desktop-chip-prices-leak.html[/url]
The i7-2600K's replacement has the exact same MSRP.
Ah shit, I didn't know the price would be the same. I thought it would be $400+ for the 2600K replacement. This might change things.
Guess it's not really worth it then?
[QUOTE=Dark-Energy;34890584]Ah shit, I didn't know the price would be the same. I thought it would be $400+ for the 2600K replacement. This might change things.
Guess it's not really worth it then?[/QUOTE]
With Ivy Bridge coming in less than two months, no it really isn't worth it to get the i7-2600K. You'll lose the native PCI-E 3.0 and USB 3.0 that Ivy gets with the new chipsets, and the CPU will be slower. It doesn't mean the 2600K will be a bad CPU, but it's such little time to get what is essentially free upgrades from the current model.
[QUOTE=garrynohome;34888823]No actually it won't be.
[url]http://www.techspot.com/news/46727-intel-ivy-bridge-desktop-chip-prices-leak.html[/url]
The i7-2600K's replacement has the exact same MSRP.[/QUOTE]
I have been informed, therefore I change my recommendation to wait for Ivy Bridge.
[QUOTE=garrynohome;34892067]With Ivy Bridge coming in less than two months, no it really isn't worth it to get the i7-2600K. You'll lose the native PCI-E 3.0 and USB 3.0 that Ivy gets with the new chipsets, and the CPU will be slower. It doesn't mean the 2600K will be a bad CPU, but it's such little time to get what is essentially free upgrades from the current model.[/QUOTE]
To be fair, PCI-E 3.0 is not anything worth waiting for. Still, OP should just wait.
I read that Ivy Bridge has been delayed, is this true? Apparently delayed until June. Some of the sources aren't really clear on what, but I've been hearing it affects dual core or notebooks only. Anyone care to shed light on this?
[QUOTE=Dark-Energy;34904194]I read that Ivy Bridge has been delayed, is this true? Apparently delayed until June. Some of the sources aren't really clear on what, but I've been hearing it affects dual core or notebooks only. Anyone care to shed light on this?[/QUOTE]
I just read this article now.
[url]http://www.techspot.com/news/47572-intel-confirms-ivy-bridge-delay-cites-issues-with-22nm-process.html[/url]
Intel tried to downplay it earlier as seen here
[url]http://www.techspot.com/news/47519-ivy-bridge-delay-rumors-exaggerated-i5-3570k-sample-benched-early.html[/url]
But I think if Sean Maloney says the chips are delayed, they're delayed. This might make things interesting.
Hmm well shit. If that updated news says it's delayed till June and it's true, I can't wait that long. But I wanna know for sure.
[QUOTE=garrynohome;34904336]I just read this article now.
[url]http://www.techspot.com/news/47572-intel-confirms-ivy-bridge-delay-cites-issues-with-22nm-process.html[/url]
Intel tried to downplay it earlier as seen here
[url]http://www.techspot.com/news/47519-ivy-bridge-delay-rumors-exaggerated-i5-3570k-sample-benched-early.html[/url]
But I think if Sean Maloney says the chips are delayed, they're delayed. This might make things interesting.[/QUOTE]
That's some pretty bad benchmarks, as the i5 2500K is severely limited by the GPU. Still, it's looks like a good improvement.
I might just cave and go buy this shit tommorrow at NCIX considering I live like a 5 minute walk from there. I price matched the Asus Z68-V Pro Gen 3 for $184 CAD, and the 2700K for 329$ CAD ($10 more than the 2600k) cause the better binned chip, better chance of less voltage with OC. Also pricematched the Corsair Vengeance 1866 8GB set for $72.51 CAD, I plan on picking up a Corsair H80 for $84 as well.
I mean, I don't want to end up waiting and then finding out it's still delayed, or that supply is extremely low and having to wait even longer. I'm already having Skyrim withdrawal symptoms, lol
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;34906152]That's some pretty bad benchmarks, as the i5 2500K is severely limited by the GPU. Still, it's looks like a good improvement.[/QUOTE]
That's the entire point, they were testing the improvements in the GPU for games and they're very impressive. It's not really a 2500K vs 3750K performance comparison.
[editline]28th February 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Dark-Energy;34906459]I might just cave and go buy this shit tommorrow at NCIX considering I live like a 5 minute walk from there. I price matched the Asus Z68-V Pro Gen 3 for $184 CAD, and the 2700K for 329$ CAD ($10 more than the 2600k) cause the better binned chip, better chance of less voltage with OC. Also pricematched the Corsair Vengeance 1866 8GB set for $72.51 CAD, I plan on picking up a Corsair H80 for $84 as well.
I mean, I don't want to end up waiting and then finding out it's still delayed, or that supply is extremely low and having to wait even longer. I'm already having Skyrim withdrawal symptoms, lol[/QUOTE]
Don't by Corsair Vengeance ram unless it's their low profile ones. It's so annoying to install heatsinks with heatspreaders that big, and if you want to do any serious overclocking you'll want a good heatsink.
[b]FEB 28th EDIT:[/b]
[url]http://www.techspot.com/news/47594-intel-clarifies-ivy-bridge-launch-rumors-eight-week-delay-inaccurate.html[/url]
Just a couple of weeks delay. Nothing near the 2 months rumored.
[QUOTE=garrynohome;34907905]That's the entire point, they were testing the improvements in the GPU for games and they're very impressive. It's not really a 2500K vs 3750K performance comparison.
[editline]28th February 2012[/editline]
Don't by Corsair Vengeance ram unless it's their low profile ones. It's so annoying to install heatsinks with heatspreaders that big, and if you want to do any serious overclocking you'll want a good heatsink.
[b]FEB 28th EDIT:[/b]
[url]http://www.techspot.com/news/47594-intel-clarifies-ivy-bridge-launch-rumors-eight-week-delay-inaccurate.html[/url]
Just a couple of weeks delay. Nothing near the 2 months rumored.[/QUOTE]
If he's buying the Corsair H80, like he said, then having RAM with large fins won't matter because the heat sink will be attached to the back of the case, and not directly protruding off of the CPU socket.
Even with that said, they are still kind of annoying though.
[QUOTE=Dark-Energy;34906459]I might just cave and go buy this shit tommorrow at NCIX considering I live like a 5 minute walk from there. I price matched the Asus Z68-V Pro Gen 3 for $184 CAD, and the 2700K for 329$ CAD ($10 more than the 2600k) cause the better binned chip, better chance of less voltage with OC. Also pricematched the Corsair Vengeance 1866 8GB set for $72.51 CAD, I plan on picking up a Corsair H80 for $84 as well.
I mean, I don't want to end up waiting and then finding out it's still delayed, or that supply is extremely low and having to wait even longer. I'm already having Skyrim withdrawal symptoms, lol[/QUOTE]
You should wait until Ivy Bridge gets released and Nvidia releases their new cards. It's a double ground breaker that should hopefully be worth the wait. Also be sure to get low profile RAM rated at 1600MHZ most, higher RAM speeds are usually benefited for APU processing and there's no point today in having comically tall RAM. Don't get the Corsair H80, get the Noctua NH-D14 (I strongly emphasize this, forget the H80 and even the proper $150-$200 water cooling kit solutions, get yourself this and be done with it. It's that good.)
I appreciate the suggestion, but I don't plan on upgrading my video card for at least a year, so Kepler will not affect anything nor will Sea Islands (AMD's 8k coming in Q3-Q4 rumored). I only need a CPU upgrade because some games like Skyrim run like shit and well, I don't feel like waiting 2-3 months to get the same performance. I also do way more than just gaming, applications like 3D Studio Max with Vray are just take way too long.
I went ahead and bit the bullet though. They only had the Corsair Vengeance 8GB 1866 in stock, for some reason their stock of ram is extremely low, but I bought the H80 instead of the D14. I went against the consensus here but I just hate big huge heatsinks (yeah yeah I know), but the difference in temperatures are minimal. I also ran into the pump noise issue but fixed that with a diode mod, it's quiet now with 2 Gentle Typhoons in Push/Pull config.
So far it's running at 4.5 GHZ 1.24v 62C with IBT, I will probably bench this at 5GHZ+, see how far I can get without going beyond 1.35v. So far it doesn't need a lot of volts for 4.5ghz (which is why I went with the 2700k).
Anyway yeah. If IB ends up blowing SB out of the water I'll just have to suffer. I'd rather not play Skyrim at 20 fps for 3 months.
[QUOTE=Dark-Energy;34978215]Anyway yeah. If IB ends up blowing SB out of the water I'll just have to suffer. I'd rather not play Skyrim at 20 fps for 3 months.[/QUOTE]
Ivy Bridge won't. Nvidia's Kepler will though. The only benefit for waiting in your case would've been to save extra cash on the current generation GPU, or spend the same amount for a far better one. Also the main reason a lot of us suggested the NH-D14 was due to the fact it cost less, has better performance, and is far quieter than the H80. The H100 itself would've been the contender for the NH-D14 in terms of cooling performance.
[QUOTE=GreenDolphin;34978807]Also the main reason a lot of us suggested the NH-D14 was due to the fact it cost less, has better performance, and is far quieter than the H80.[/QUOTE]
The H80 is only loud if you keep the stock fans on it. I'd never buy a heatsink and use the stock fans. The OP switched out the stock with two Gentle Typhoons.
I use 2 Cougar Vortex fans on my H80 which are so damn whisper quiet, they aren't noticeable.
[QUOTE=Coridan;34980012]The H80 is only loud if you keep the stock fans on it. I'd never buy a heatsink and use the stock fans. The OP switched out the stock with two Gentle Typhoons.
I use 2 Cougar Vortex fans on my H80 which are so damn whisper quiet, they aren't noticeable.[/QUOTE]
The H80 is expensive as it is though. Replacing the 2 fans with higher quality ones would further drive up the cost when the NH-D14 is a better alternative in every single way.
The H80 was $89.99 CAD, which is the exact same price as the D14. I could have price matched the H80 to $84 but 5 bucks isn't a lot. The H100 I believe is $119 or $109 according to NCIX, and it has slightly better performance but not by much. But yeah it's more expensive.
I had 2 gentle typhoons previously so it didn't cost me anything more. I wasn't sure if I could mount 2 120MM fans on the D14 because I know the middle requires a 140mm fan, but I figured since the static pressure is so high on the typhoons it would work good for a radiator. It's actually pretty quiet, I can't hear the pump at all, but without the diode mod to drop by .7v it sounded like a broken hard drive clicking erratically.
[editline]3rd March 2012[/editline]
To add on to that, the information about Kepler is all over the place so I can't really make decisions here. Some rumors point to the mid-range being 50% faster than the 580 and consuming 170 watts, but it's probably Nvidia PR spouting crap like they usually do.
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