I found this up after random browsing, thought I would share.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanya_Savicheva[/url]
Its a diary of a girl in the siege of Leningrad. It really helps if you know russian, but the translations there are just as good.
Also, you can post your sad war moments and pictures :)
Interesting read.
I think the worst way to die in WW2 would have been the mustard gas.
Alot of bad shit.
One of the worst ways, yes, however being tortured by the Japanese would be a totally different thing, as they would use you for sushi and what not.
Link me to an article saying "they would use you for sushi and what not"
I'm having trouble believing it.
Just an exaggeration from my side, dont take me too seriously :P
[QUOTE=Mokkan13;24033818]Interesting read.
I think the worst way to die in WW2 would have been the mustard gas.[/QUOTE]
Source? I don't recall biological weapons ever being used in WW2. The Germans and even the Americans were equipped with Gasmasks but they never had to use them. The Japanese did use some biological weapons in China for the purpose of testing but that's about all I can remember and it wasn't mustard gas.
Are you thinking about WW1?
Or he means the gas chambers used in the Concentration camps, but I don't think they were using mustard gas...
[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;24034110]Source? I don't recall biological weapons ever being used in WW2. The Germans and even the Americans were equipped with Gasmasks but they never had to use them. The Japanese did use some biological weapons in China for the purpose of testing but that's about all I can remember and it wasn't mustard gas.
Are you thinking about WW1?[/QUOTE]
Third Battle of Ypres?
Worst way to go would have been starving to death in one of the death camps while all your friends and family get gasses off or executed by the guards.
I'm grateful to be able to live in a society where I'll probably live to grow old and die in my sleep.
I think the worst would be if you were a German civilian circa 1945, you have a bunch of pissed of and ruthless Red Army soldiers looking to fucking destroy your city, all because the leader you didn't elect told the soldiers who may or may not have actually wanted to be soldiers to invade Mother Russia.
[QUOTE=Mokkan13;24033930]Link me to an article saying "they would use you for sushi and what not"
I'm having trouble believing it.[/QUOTE]
They wouldn't use you for sushi, but they would torture you to death, or if you're a woman, use you as a sex slave.
The Japanese were as bad as (if not worse than) the nazis.
[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;24034110]Source? I don't recall biological weapons ever being used in WW2. The Germans and even the Americans were equipped with Gasmasks but they never had to use them. The Japanese did use some biological weapons in China for the purpose of testing but that's about all I can remember and it wasn't mustard gas.
Are you thinking about WW1?[/QUOTE]
Not really sure, might have been ww1, I only said it because my SOSE teach nearly cried talking about her grandfather who died from mustard gas while trying to cut power to a pill box or something..
[QUOTE=Black-Ice;24034157]Or he means the gas chambers used in the Concentration camps, but I don't think they were using mustard gas...[/QUOTE]
I don't mean the gas chambers, though they woulda been bad too.
Has anyone actually visited Ypres, I have visited twice and if you take the right tours you learn a heapfull, if you have visited PM me I would love to talk about what you did.
[quote][b]Zhenya died on Dec. 28th at 12:00 P.M. 1941[2]
Grandma died on Jan. 25th 3:00 P.M. 1942
Leka died on March 5th at 5:00 A.M. 1942
Uncle Vasya died on Apr. 13th at 2:00 after midnight 1942
Uncle Lesha on May 10th at 4:00 P.M. 1942
Mother on May 13th at 7:30 A.M. 1942
Savichevs died.
Everyone died.
Only Tanya is left.[/b][/quote]
That is horrible.
Getting into the hands of these crazy motherfuckers would be the worst way to go:
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731[/url]
Google image 'Unit 731' with no filter if you dare
I would have rather been imprisoned and abused by the nazis than by the Japanese any day. The Japs were bloody merciless and scary as fuck. Chemical weapons, biological, medical testing that made Mengele look fairly moderate, torture, rape, dismemberment, burning alive...
They'd fucking gut you and hang you from a tree by you goddam intestines while you were still alive. Scary fucking shit.
[QUOTE=Black-Ice;24034157]Or he means the gas chambers used in the Concentration camps, but I don't think they were using mustard gas...[/QUOTE]
Cyanide - specifically Zyklon B.
I watched some documentary about the British being allowed to take baths in a specific amount of water per day (like 30 cm or something like that)
there was so much about WWII that i was expecting a good read, damn you.
yeah sure, u posted a wiki link but you could have put more effort into it, it's such a vast topic and there is lots to discuss.
a few things people had to suffer during WWII:
-disease
-cold, cold climates in the middle of war
-the trenches
-concentration camps
-The Great depression
-Those who hid endured bad living conditions.
-Soldiers lived in bad living conditions
and that's not the end of the list, but i have to get ready for school....
anyways good topic bad thread.
My mom's uncle is usually a sorta cheerful man. Sometimes, at family dinners, he tells stories about his childhood in WWII. Like when he spent a couple weeks in the basement sitting on a bag of potatoes, because it was way too dangerous to go outside, or when everyone in the town went to hide in the town hall's basement, and the Russians threw in a grenade, but the cellar was in an L shape, so no one died, and so...
Or I could mention my maternal grandpa, who once told me he saw a burning German soldier jump into a stream to extinguish himself, or how he and his twin brother were hidden away in the cellar by their father so they aren't conscripted in the last months of the war, or my paternal grandfather, whom I never met in person, but I heard a story of how he was robbed by a Russian soldier in the cemetery after having buried the local victims.
In my books, WWII is the closest to our description of an apocalypse mankind ever endured.
bullets
hitler had it pretty bad
[QUOTE=3picFail;24035251]there was so much about WWII that i was expecting a good read, damn you.
yeah sure, u posted a wiki link but you could have put more effort into it, it's such a vast topic and there is lots to discuss.
a few things people had to suffer during WWII:
-disease
-cold, cold climates in the middle of war
-the trenches
-concentration camps
-The Great depression
-Those who hid endured bad living conditions. Ann Frank is not an example of that.
-Soldiers lived in bad living conditions
and that's not the end of the list, but i have to get ready for school....
anyways good topic bad thread.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, but I have to pick a few holes in some of your points:
- The trenches
Generally, trench warfare was made redundant during the second world war. With tanks becoming increasingly more advanced and with more emphasis being put on mobility and manoeuvring than brute force, complex trench systems quickly lost their place and instead they were replaced by much smaller trenches that could be dug quickly and that were meant to provide some temporary cover.
- The Great Depression
WWII actually brought about the end of The Great Depression. Although the effects of it never really fully diminished until around 1942, at the start of the war in 1939 unemployment in the USA took a nosedive - probably due to Americans volunteering to fight overseas and also the USA's gearing up for the possibility of war.
- Anne Frank
I don't understand how you can say that Anne Frank is not an example of someone forced to hide and who was living in bad conditions. Of course, there are far worse conditions you could live in, but the fact that she was confined to a small area which she couldn't leave with a number of other people is not exactly a good living environment.
- Soldiers living in bad conditions
This varied. On the Eastern Front, life could be quite horrific, especially in some battles like Stalingrad. However, some soldiers led quite a pampered life. Prior to D-Day, soldiers stationed in occupied France had it pretty good. They had no-one to fight, had a good climate and generally led a good lifestyle. Even post D-Day the soldiers fighting the Allies fared a lot better than those who had to face the horror of the unforgiving Russian winters and merciless Soviet forces.
[QUOTE=David29;24036320]Sorry, but I have to pick a few holes in some of your points:
- The trenches
Generally, trench warfare was made redundant during the second world war. With tanks becoming increasingly more advanced and with more emphasis being put on mobility and manoeuvring than brute force, complex trench systems quickly lost their place and instead they were replaced by much smaller trenches that could be dug quickly and that were meant to provide some temporary cover.[/quote]
I'm not saying that the trenches were the problem, it was mainly the conditions that they endured in the trenches.
[quote]- The Great Depression
WWII actually brought about the end of The Great Depression. Although the effects of it never really fully diminished until around 1942, at the start of the war in 1939 unemployment in the USA took a nosedive - probably due to Americans volunteering to fight overseas and also the USA's gearing up for the possibility of war.[/quote]
okay i didn't know that, i just new that it was circa WWII
[quote]- Anne Frank
I don't understand how you can say that Anne Frank is not an example of someone forced to hide and who was living in bad conditions. Of course, [b]there are far worse conditions you could live in[/b], but the fact that she was confined to a small area which she couldn't leave with a number of other people is not exactly a good living environment.[/quote]
I disliked the story of ann frank because it is so popular but yet there were so many worse situations.
[quote]- Soldiers living in bad conditions
This varied. On the Eastern Front, life could be quite horrific, especially in some battles like Stalingrad. However, some soldiers led quite a pampered life. [b]Prior to D-Day, soldiers stationed in occupied France had it pretty good. They had no-one to fight, had a good climate and generally led a good lifestyle.[/b] Even post D-Day the soldiers fighting the Allies fared a lot better than those who had to face the horror of the unforgiving Russian winters and merciless Soviet forces.[/QUOTE]
just because a few soldiers had it well didn't mean all of them did. The whole point of this thread is discussing what they had to endure, not who got the better side of the war.
[QUOTE=Mokkan13;24033818]Interesting read.
I think the worst way to die in WW2 would have been the mustard gas.[/QUOTE]
That's WW1, the Geneva Convention condemned chemical warfare after that.
[QUOTE=Detective P;24034480]I would have rather been imprisoned and abused by the nazis than by the Japanese any day. The Japs were bloody merciless and scary as fuck. Chemical weapons, biological, medical testing that made Mengele look fairly moderate, torture, rape, dismemberment, burning alive...
They'd fucking gut you and hang you from a tree by you goddam intestines while you were still alive. Scary fucking shit.[/QUOTE]
American POWs captured by the germans were treated quite well
[quote]...He set up one of the first seedbanks, in Leningrad (now St Petersburg), which survived the 28-month Siege of Leningrad in World War II. It is now known as the Vavilov Institute of Plant Industry. [b]Several botanists starved to death rather than eating the collected seeds.[/b][/quote]
Russian seed bank that they are considering to destroy now
[QUOTE=3picFail;24035251]there was so much about WWII that i was expecting a good read, damn you.
yeah sure, u posted a wiki link but you could have put more effort into it, it's such a vast topic and there is lots to discuss.
a few things people had to suffer during WWII:
-disease
-cold, cold climates in the middle of war
-the trenches
-concentration camps
-The Great depression
-Those who hid endured bad living conditions. Ann Frank is not an example of that.
-Soldiers lived in bad living conditions
and that's not the end of the list, but i have to get ready for school....
anyways good topic bad thread.[/QUOTE]
Not so much the Great Depression, everyone started getting alot of jobs because of the war. For like making metals and other materials for armies to use.
The japanese were horrible tortures. They used women as sex slaves, civilians as dummies for target practice and bayonetting, not even going to begin on what they did to pows.
The germans did well, the holocaust, and they executed mass amounts of people too.
They both did crimes against humanity, hopefully no one will ever have to endure what they did ever again.
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