• Britain 'very disappointed' as Spain seeks support from Argentina - legal action being considered
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[B]The UK government is considering legal action against Spain over the imposition of additional border checks in Gibraltar, Downing Street has said. [/B][URL]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23668589[/URL]
I hate Argentina as much as the next person, but isn't this maybe just a bit too far?
[QUOTE]A government spokesman also said Spain was considering taking the dispute to the UN Security Council, where it could seek the support of Argentina. He told the BBC that although the Falkland Islands - over which Britain went to war with Argentina - and Gibraltar were different issues, there were similarities between the two disputes.[/QUOTE] Similarities? What?! The Falklands are British, Argentina only keeps crying to keep their people from noticing the issues of their government.
God damn it, just kiss already!
[quote=Article]He told the BBC that although the Falkland Islands - over which Britain went to war with Argentina - and Gibraltar were different issues, there were similarities between the two disputes.[/quote] The similarity being you are using it to draw your peoples eyes away from your economy's crisis?
[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;41813198]The similarity being you are using it to draw your peoples eyes away from your economy's crisis?[/QUOTE] Like coloniser like colony.
It's like two square miles. Get over it.
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;41814870]It's like two square miles. Get over it.[/QUOTE] Are you talking to the UK or spain
[QUOTE=T553412;41813138]Similarities? What?! The Falklands are British, Argentina only keeps crying to keep their people from noticing the issues of their government.[/QUOTE] Well there [I]are[/I] similarities, namely: The British rule the Territories. The denizens want to be British. Spanish-speaking countries want them.
Suddenly Spain forgets about all the shit they like to constantly throw this way, and we became useful for them. Are they forgetting about [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceuta]Ceuta[/URL] and [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melilla]Melilla[/URL]? Spain, kindly go fuck yourself. Besides, If they didn't listen to our goverment before, what makes them think the brits will do it now?
"Which countries hate the UK? Who would back us up without question?" "Well, the Argentinians are still pretty upset about that whole Falklands thing" "Wonderful!" "But sir what does Argentina have to do with the increased border security in Gibraltar?"
You can have them back, just give free entry to all british tourists to your countries, their your problem now.
[QUOTE=tr00per7;41816317]You can have them back, just give free entry to all british tourists to your countries, their your problem now.[/QUOTE] Its not about giving Gibraltar away like no one is living there. We decide who we want to belong to and we always pick Britain. So it is quite rude when some one says give Gibraltar to Spain and they forgot that the people who live in it want to have a say on who owns them.
Gibraltar isn't even ours to give to Spain. Self determination wins out here.
[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;41814894]Are you talking to the UK or spain[/QUOTE] Spain.
I suggest we take rockall and split it up between Argentina and Spain.
[QUOTE=T553412;41813138]Similarities? What?! The Falklands are British, Argentina only keeps crying to keep their people from noticing the issues of their government.[/QUOTE] I keep hearing this over and over, the Malvinas are not even close to being used as some distraction from the country's problems, there's just much more important issues nowadays than this.
Ban all british tourism to spain and they will be worse than africa in 3 years Benidorm will become the Grozny of iberia
[QUOTE=maxspeed3006;41816737]I keep hearing this over and over, the Malvinas are not even close to being used as some distraction from the country's problems, there's just much more important issues nowadays than this.[/QUOTE] So it's just a convenient coincidence that the Falkland Islands becomes a popular topic of debate whenever the government goes through a tough spot?
[QUOTE=tr00per7;41816317]You can have them back, just give free entry to all british tourists to your countries, their your problem now.[/QUOTE] Fuck off mate, they want to be British and they'll stay British until that changes. [editline]13th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=maxspeed3006;41816737]I keep hearing this over and over, the Malvinas are not even close to being used as some distraction from the country's problems, there's just much more important issues nowadays than this.[/QUOTE] The Falklands aren't an issue for anyone other than the Argentinians, they're British and they'll stay that way,
[QUOTE=David29;41821336]So it's just a convenient coincidence that the Falkland Islands becomes a popular topic of debate whenever the government goes through a tough spot?[/QUOTE] And from what I've heard from Argentinians, the Falklands issue is entirely pushed by the Government and most people don't care, they know the Gov is just scapegoating.
This artificial reef Spain are complaining about is located between 2 ports in Gibraltar. So if they're complaining about it's location, they're claiming the port is theirs as well? [editline]13th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;41821431]And from what I've heard from Argentinians, the Falklands issue is entirely pushed by the Government and most people don't care, they know the Gov is just scapegoating.[/QUOTE] Much like in Spain. Like Argentina is a shadow game for the economy the politicians don't appear to be putting much effort into fixing.
Just 'determine' to be part of the US! I could use a domestic flight across the Atlantic.
Spain we can barely help ourselves what could you possibly be expecting [editline]13th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=maxspeed3006;41816737]I keep hearing this over and over, the Malvinas are not even close to being used as some distraction from the country's problems, there's just much more important issues nowadays than this.[/QUOTE] The Malvinas are definitely being used as a gov't scapegoat. You don't notice because [I]it's not working at all.[/I]
We the Spanish people know this is nothing but a smoke wall to focus our interest in other political problems rather than the ones who really affect politicians, like corruption, lack of job etc... Sincerely I couldn't care less about Gibraltar, It's a English island who wants to stay English, not big deal.
It's legally ours. Peer pressure and bullying tactics aren't going to work. Just because it's near you doesn't make it yours.
[QUOTE=latin_geek;41823270][editline]13th August 2013[/editline] The Malvinas are definitely being used as a gov't scapegoat. You don't notice because [I]it's not working at all.[/I][/QUOTE] Please enlighten me, When was the last time something related about the Malvinas, occupied so much media time/resources to actually divert people from other issues, I'm not saying this kind of news don't make it to the TV/Newspapers, they just don't get enough attention to cover up other issues, not even on pro-goverment media like Canal 7 or Pagina/12. [QUOTE=David29;41821336]So it's just a convenient coincidence that the Falkland Islands becomes a popular topic of debate whenever the government goes through a tough spot?[/QUOTE] From where are you getting this? People assume whenever something Malvinas related makes it to the news here it's just to distract us from other issues, instad of just being regular, you know, [I]news.[/I]
[QUOTE=maxspeed3006;41825160]From where are you getting this? People assume whenever something Malvinas related makes it to the news here it's just to distract us from other issues, instad of just being regular, you know, [I]news.[/I][/QUOTE] So the Argentine Junta in 1982 was actually the pinnacle of popularity, and this article - [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-19989297[/url] - is just filthy British propaganda? The only times that the Falklands argument has been brought up was when the war broke out (when the Junta was facing major dissent amongst the people) and during the leadership of Kirchner (who, as that article states, is also very unpopular). Can you [I]really[/I] blame anyone for thinking that there is a connection here? Hell, even some Argentinians recognise this - one has even posted about it in this thread. Nationalistic ideas are excellent rallying points to unite the people. It provides an opportunity for a leader to appear that they are tackling a popular problem - a problem that is usually blown out of proportion (really - why are you so desperate to obtain a bunch of islands filled with sheep?).
[QUOTE=David29;41827067] So the Argentine Junta in 1982 was actually the pinnacle of popularity[/QUOTE] I'm not arguing the the Junta did not use the Malvinas war as a distraction because that's exactly what they did, it was the dictatorship's (which was sponsored by the US) last struggle to regain popularity after the increasing rumours of the Desaparecidos and the huge debt the country was acquiring. [QUOTE=David29;41827067] The only times that the Falklands argument has been brought up was when the war broke out (when the Junta was facing major dissent amongst the people) and during the leadership of Kirchner (who, as that article states, is also very unpopular). Can you really blame anyone for thinking that there is a connection here? Hell, even some Argentinians recognise this - one has even posted about it in this thread..[/QUOTE] On the other hand, you argue that after the war, the only times that the Malvinas have been brought up was during Cristina's presidency which is just not true AT all, Besides, what i'm arguing is the fact that this issue is used to straight out cover other news/problems which you haven't even mentioned now, just please prove me, when was the Malvinas used to cover up any other issues in the last, let's say, 10 years. [QUOTE=David29;41827067] and this article - [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-19989297[/url] - is just filthy British propaganda?[/QUOTE] The article you posted has nothing to do with this, it does not state that she is unpopular (the article even states the polarization of some voters, i.e it's either all good or the country is falling apart) and if this was actually true it would only mean that only after this period (October, 2011) would the goverment start trying to cover up such current issues as inflation or the difficulty to buy foreign currency, with the Malvinas, but claims were also made to the UN in [URL="http://edant.clarin.com/diario/2010/02/22/um/m-02145530.htm"]2010[/URL], [URL="http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/ultimas/20-126850-2009-06-18.html"]2009[/URL], [URL="http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1000760-cristina-el-reclamo-por-las-islas-malvinas-es-inclaudicable"]2008[/URL] and so on, all of the having made the news but not even close to covering up other issues. [QUOTE=David29;41827067] Nationalistic ideas are excellent rallying points to unite the people. It provides an opportunity for a leader to appear that they are tackling a popular problem - a problem that is usually blown out of proportion (really - why are you so desperate to obtain a bunch of islands filled with sheep?).[/QUOTE] I understand that from another POV, the Malvinas claim may seem like a desperate struggle from the goverment to keep people from other problems, so replying to the other user: Why would they even try to use this as a "scapegoat" when it actually (like you said) doesn't even work? Could it be that the goverment/people just keep bringing this issue because they legitimately think they have a valid claim on the islands?
I say - our government is [I]very disappointed.[/I] We might write a strongly-worded letter next.
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