I have decided to host this thread in starting a DEBATE of.. GLOBAL WARMING! As you can see, there are two sides of this debate. One side is known to be the skeptics, and the others are known to be alarmists of this subject as well.
In this Thread, everyone is to post evidence relating to Global Warming or facts opposing it. Once you state your facts, you MUST have a source. So please be sure to show it to the public.
Here is my side of this story:
According to a scientific documentary, Ice core data had been recorded bringing in evidence that Co2 had not in fact brought up temperatures, but it was just the opposite. When temperature went up, Co2 followed that pattern within an 800 year lag.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWRqQ_iI7qQ&feature=related[/url]
Also, the medieval warming period had been MUCH warmer than it is now. Also shows that knights had drove Hummers back then, NOT!
[url]http://www.kusi.com/weather/colemanscorner/11595211.html[/url]
So, post your thoughts of what you think about this CLIMATE CHANGE. :P
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this shit happens in cycles, people need to calm the fuck down
Ice Age regardless of what we do.
As opposed to spending money on ways to reduce CO2, we should spend money to find ways to adapt. We should accept our role as nature's bitch and submit, then we can learn to live with the changes. Our ancestors did it and we can do it too.
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As opposed to spending money on ways to reduce CO2, we should spend money to find ways to adapt. We should accept our role as nature's bitch and submit, then we can learn to live with the changes. Our ancestors did it and we can do it too.[/QUOTE]
yeah this.
Global warming doesn't exist, it's a part of a cycle.
The elitists are taking advantage of the public. Any historian can tell you that this happens all the time, in fact this happened during medieval times (look it up). It's a scam to control the world.
[QUOTE=TheMetalMan;19005267]Global warming doesn't exist, it's a part of a cycle.
The elitists are taking advantage of the public. Any historian can tell you that this happens all the time, in fact this happened during medieval times (look it up). It's a scam to control the world.[/QUOTE]
Actually it's Europe fearing an Ice Age.
By the way if people were too lazy to read the first thread, I've stated that I did not support global warming. Just an FYI.
[QUOTE=greenlord531;19005125]I have decided to host this thread in starting a DEBATE of.. GLOBAL WARMING! As you can see, there are two sides of this debate. One side is known to be the skeptics, and the others are known to be alarmists of this subject as well.
In this Thread, everyone is to post evidence relating to Global Warming or facts opposing it. Once you state your facts, you MUST have a source. So please be sure to show it to the public.
Here is my side of this story:
According to a scientific documentary, Ice core data had been recorded bringing in evidence that Co2 had not in fact brought up temperatures, but it was just the opposite. When temperature went up, Co2 followed that pattern within an 800 year lag.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWRqQ_iI7qQ&feature=related[/url]
Also, the medieval warming period had been MUCH warmer than it is now. Also shows that knights had drove Hummers back then, NOT!
[url]http://www.kusi.com/weather/colemanscorner/11595211.html[/url]
So, post your thoughts of what you think about this CLIMATE CHANGE. :P[/QUOTE]
Co2 was originally part of a sort of feedback system. Increase in temperature caused an increase in CO2 which caused an increase in temperature. While it's never been a motivator before now, there's never been human industry before now.
The Medieval warming period was a localized event, global warming is what it's name is. A GLOBAL increase in temperature.
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[QUOTE=TheMetalMan;19005267]Global warming doesn't exist, it's a part of a cycle.
The elitists are taking advantage of the public. Any historian can tell you that this happens all the time, in fact this happened during medieval times (look it up). It's a scam to control the world.[/QUOTE]
Bilderburg NWO
get to teh bunkers 4 its 2 l8
listen to al gore
if we live through 2012, we'll have to face the horrors of 2012 and the ice melting in the north and different species of fish having sex 2gether
We're gonna die.
But seriously, we need to do something about those cars.
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;19005308]
Bilderburg NWO
get to teh bunkers 4 its 2 l8[/QUOTE]
Wait, you believe this too?
I watched the Obama Deception the other day, and it seemed legit.
I fear that the last days on Earth are truly approaching, God (actually supreme beings [aliens?]) will come after all shit breaks loose.
Maybe I should make a thread about this.
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;19005308]Co2 was originall part of a sort of feedback system. Increase in temperature caused an increase in CO2 which caused an increase in temperature. While it's never been a motivator before now, there's never been human industry before now.
The Medieval warming period was a localized event, global warming is what it's name is. A GLOBAL increase in temperature.
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Bilderburg NWO
get to teh bunkers 4 its 2 l8[/QUOTE]
The graphs would be different, because what you're saying is that temperature rises, Co2 rises, now your saying temperature rises over that. That doesn't match up to what I'm seeing, otherwise we'd be seeing something different. Also that temperature rise/decline is caused mainly by our heat source. The Sun.
It's real. No doubt about that. I can testify to that personally because I've seen it. Beaches I've been to that are smaller because of increased sea levels, screwy weather that never used to happen in my area, fucking hot summers and temperate forests that look like jungles, along with the various charts and figures.
It's not a big of deal in my opinion as people make it out to be. What's a more pressing issue is the decreasing biomass and vastly reduced forests and the instability that would create in the climate/atmosphere/biosphere/temperature/ecosphere/genetic diversity/whatever.
Lol at all the people in here who think everything is totally normal. Sure the temperature changes in cycles, but do you really mean to tell me that all the burning of fuels and massive amounts of CO2 being synthetically released is totally natural? I'm pretty sure nature didn't intend on us digging up oil and burning it in obscene quantities, releasing copious amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere, more CO2 than can be offset by fixation via autotrophs
If only we could make fusion reactors.
[QUOTE=greenlord531;19005382]The graphs would be different, because what you're saying is that temperature rises, Co2 rises, now your saying temperature rises over that. That doesn't match up to what I'm seeing, otherwise we'd be seeing something different. Also that temperature rise/decline is caused mainly by our heat source. The Sun.[/QUOTE]
No, I'm saying that C02 does cause an increase in temperature, it's just that it hasn't been the main instigator before now. There hasn't been a society of mammals spewing out hundreds of tons of the stuff before now, that's why you wouldn't see it leading the graphs.
And if you had actually studied the graph,s you'd know that sun activity and temperature have been going opposite of each other for over a decade.
[QUOTE=HarryLerman;19005416]Lol at all the people in here who think everything is totally normal. Sure the temperature changes in cycles, but do you really mean to tell me that all the burning of fuels and massive amounts of CO2 being synthetically released is totally natural? I'm pretty sure nature didn't intend on us digging up oil and burning it in obscene quantities, releasing copious amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere, more CO2 than can be offset by fixation via autotrophs[/QUOTE]
There is no wrong in getting cleaner fuels, and much more efficient technologies, but nothing is going to stop sea level rise, warm age, etc. Nature dumps it's own CO2, nature has it's own way to store CO2.
[QUOTE=HarryLerman;19005416]Lol at all the people in here who think everything is totally normal. Sure the temperature changes in cycles, but do you really mean to tell me that all the burning of fuels and massive amounts of CO2 being synthetically released is totally natural? I'm pretty sure nature didn't intend on us digging up oil and burning it in obscene quantities, releasing copious amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere, more CO2 than can be offset by fixation via autotrophs[/QUOTE]
I mean, apart from the [b]world destroying increase[/b] in temperature of a [b]massive 1.0 degrees[/b], and the poor plants that might die of the [b]toxic[/b] CO2 that they breath.
Seriously, the earth and life itself has been through worse shit and survived. So has humanity. Let's get real. There isn't even enough fuel on the planet to make a lasting effect anyway. We should be more worried about finding an alternative fuel source before it runs out rather than the effect it has on the planet.
[QUOTE=Craptasket;19005477]There is no wrong in getting cleaner fuels, and much more efficient technologies, but nothing is going to stop sea level rise, warm age, etc. Nature dumps it's own CO2, nature has it's own way to store CO2.[/QUOTE]
Well, yes, but I think the time it would take for all that oil we dug up to turn back into oil is somewhat long for our tastes.
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;19005448]No, I'm saying that C02 does cause an increase in temperature, it's just that it hasn't been the main instigator before now. There hasn't been a society of mammals spewing out hundreds of tons of the stuff before now, that's why you wouldn't see it leading the graphs.
And if you had actually studied the graph,s you'd know that sun activity and temperature have been going opposite of each other for over a decade.[/QUOTE]
I'm having a hard time identifying your generalization to specifics, so I would need specifics of what your saying. And does this, "graph" relate to the ice core data? Sources would rather be useful.
[QUOTE=Xystus234;19005499]I mean, apart from the [b]world destroying increase[/b] in temperature of a [b]massive 1.0 degrees[/b], and the poor plants that might die of the [b]toxic[/b] CO2 that they breath.
Seriously, the earth and life itself has been through worse shit and survived. So has humanity. Let's get real. There isn't even enough fuel on the planet to make a lasting effect anyway. We should be more worried about finding an alternative fuel source before it runs out rather than the effect it has on the planet.[/QUOTE]
Even a few degrees increase in global temperature can be catastrophic. The planet is used to working on a slow schedule, any change as sudden as this is bound to have dire consequences.
It's not about survival, it's about avoiding a massive shitstorm.
[QUOTE=Xystus234;19005499]I mean, apart from the [b]world destroying increase[/b] in temperature of a [b]massive 1.0 degrees[/b], and the poor plants that might die of the [b]toxic[/b] CO2 that they breath.
Seriously, the earth and life itself has been through worse shit and survived. So has humanity. Let's get real. There isn't even enough fuel on the planet to make a lasting effect anyway. We should be more worried about finding an alternative fuel source before it runs out rather than the effect it has on the planet.[/QUOTE]
You're 12 years old and obviously don't understand any of this so you should keep studying and maybe one day you won't be such a dumbass
Once again you people amaze me. The clear majority of climate scientists who actually know shit about this says we're causing the climate changes, yet you all think you're more qualified to talk about this subject than they are, because you've seen a movie on youtube or something.
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;19005506]Well, yes, but I think the time it would take for all that oil we dug up to turn back into oil is somewhat long for our tastes.[/QUOTE]
Somewhere I read some points in earths time the CO2 levels were through the roof. Where did it all go? Under the sea? Stored in gas pockets? who knows.
[QUOTE=greenlord531;19005581]I'm having a hard time identifying your generalization to specifics, so I would need specifics of what your saying. And does this, "graph" relate to the ice core data?[/QUOTE]
What do you mean?
I'm saying that CO2 likely hasn't been a leader in climate change before now and sun activity and temperature have been going opposite of each other for the last decade. What are you having trouble understanding?
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[QUOTE=Craptasket;19005601]Somewhere I read some points in earths time the CO2 levels were through the roof. Where did it all go? Under the sea? Stored in gas pockets? who knows.[/QUOTE]
So your saying the best option is to hope it goes away and that it doesn't effect us?
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;19005610]
So your saying the best option is to hope it goes away and that it doesn't effect us?[/QUOTE]
We are cleaning up our act and helping out, but the would as it is now never looked like it was hundreds of millions ago. I say we do what we do best, adapt.
[QUOTE=Craptasket;19005648]We are cleaning up our act and helping out, but the would as it is now never looked like it was hundreds of millions ago. I say we do what we do best, adapt.[/QUOTE]
And as for the rest of the life on the planet which we depend on for survival. . .?
We could adapt to using less fossil fuels. We'll have to at some point, math agrees with me.
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