Intel and Micron unveils new 3D NAND technology - makes it possibly to create SSD's with 10TB of sto
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There will be SSDs of all kinds more spacious than ever before when Intel and Micron announces a new 3D NAND technology, which will provide three times higher storage density than previous techniques.
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The process of designing new and more spacious memory circuits isn't only about figuring out how to shrink transistors as much as possible.
After multi-level cell (MLC) and triple-level cell (TLC), with two or three bits per memory cell, the future holds various forms of 3D technologies, where data-storing cells are stacked vertically to squeeze in more and more storage in a small space. Now a new technology breakthrough has been announced.
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"This 3D NAND technology has the potential to create fundamental market shifts. The depth of the impact that flash has had to date—from smartphones to flash-optimized supercomputing—is really just scratching the surface of what's possible".
Engineers from Intel and Micron have worked together to create their own form of 3D NAND, with 32 whole layers of memory cells. The idea is to introduce standard-sized MLC and TLC circuits with 256 respectively 384 gigabit storage - three times more than previous technologies have allowed.
On top of this, the new technology is cheaper to manufacture than it's predecessors, resulting in cheaper products (cost/GB), while it will also have higher read/write speeds than current technologies, even when it comes to random access.
The new technology is meant to be applied to all kinds of areas, from high performing server solutions to traditional SSD units, memory cards, and mobile units.
Intel and Micron have already begun production of the circuits, and will engage mass-production in the fourth quarter of this year. Consumer products utilizing the technology are expected to arrive on shelves next year, for instance M2 memory cards with 3.5 TB of storage, and 2.5" SSD's with 10TB of storage.
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Source: [url]http://www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/20268-intel-och-micron-tillkannager-3d-nand-oppnar-for-10-tb-ssd[/url]
Sweet, hopefully the smaller ones will not cost a billion dollars now
Noice. Now how long until the price-per-gigabyte for 512gb SSDs comes down to about fifteen or twenty cents per?
Sweet Jesus
On this day we lay the Hard Disk Drive to rest.
[QUOTE=chipsnapper2;47406447]On this day we lay the Hard Disk Drive to rest.[/QUOTE]
We're very close to a shift when the HDD becomes a relic of the past like the diskette/floppy
[QUOTE=Rixxz2;47406494]We're very close to a shift when the HDD becomes a relic of the past like the diskette/floppy[/QUOTE]
maybe the save icon will become a HDD
[QUOTE=Rixxz2;47406494]We're very close to a shift when the HDD becomes a relic of the past like the diskette/floppy[/QUOTE]
Hopefully, I'm actually amazed the HDD survived so long being as slow and unreliable as it is
Can't wait for computers to become pretty much indestructible because there are no moving parts inside them to wear out and break
[QUOTE=Thunderbolt;47406520]Hopefully, I'm actually amazed the HDD survived so long being as slow and unreliable as it is
Can't wait for computers to become pretty much indestructible because there are no moving parts inside them to wear out and break[/QUOTE]
heat can still melt circuitry if you have a bad fan set up
or a laptop
[QUOTE=lintz;47406539]heat can still melt circuitry if you have a bad fan set up
or a laptop[/QUOTE]
No moving parts means radiation cooling.
Like the new macbook.
[QUOTE=lintz;47406539]heat can still melt circuitry if you have a bad fan set up
or a laptop[/QUOTE]
Well obviously, but I doubt heat damage is as common as a HDD just dying for no reason, or someone accidentally bumping into a PC and damaging them.
And yes I do realize SSDs are just as prone to random software related failure as HDDs are but thanks to them not having moving parts they're a lot tougher, you could probably throw one against a wall and it'd be fine.
I don't think they become more likely to completely fail with age either, they just develop bad sectors over time
[QUOTE=Thunderbolt;47406520]Hopefully, I'm actually amazed the HDD survived so long being as slow and unreliable as it is
Can't wait for computers to become pretty much indestructible because there are no moving parts inside them to wear out and break[/QUOTE]
How will we fight Skynet then?
[QUOTE=BFG9000;47406573]How will we fight Skynet then?[/QUOTE]
EMP
[QUOTE=BFG9000;47406573]How will we fight Skynet then?[/QUOTE]
CAPTCHA-camo, they'll never see us coming
[QUOTE=Atlascore;47406673]SSDs have a very long way to go before they can replace HDDs for people with any profession/hobby that requires extensive writing/erasing of data, for example video production (IE film work, youtube channel, etc), you can easily go through dozens, possibly a hundred or more gigabytes of data every month, work like that absolutely murders SSD lifespans.[/QUOTE]
modern SSD tech lasts as long as an average HDD lifespan if not beyond that much
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my m.2 480GB m500 SSD has a warranty of three years and a projected lifespan of 72TB written (read doesn't do damage to flash memory)
and it's not even particularly great in terms of lifespan.
Apple replaced HDD storage in the Mac Pro with SSD drives. they are ready to be used in servers, creative workplaces and the likes. especially considering that most of those sectors store everything on disk-based network storage anyways, away from the SSD scratch disk.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;47406673]SSDs have a very long way to go before they can replace HDDs for people with any profession/hobby that requires extensive writing/erasing of data, for example video production (IE film work, youtube channel, etc), you can easily go through dozens, possibly a hundred or more gigabytes of data every month, work like that absolutely murders SSD lifespans.[/QUOTE]
Maybe, but for the average user or a gamer the TRIM technology does a good enough job of keeping the SSD working for years, you're more likely to replace it because your system is old or the drive became too small to keep all your data than because it failed.
Intel hurry up and make a 3D CPU already!
Now what about implementing this tech into Graphics hardware?
-snip nevermind, not the same thing-
how long until we have so much storage that we can't even fill it no matter how hard we try? (Consumer level, not for business)
I have about 2.5 tb, I'm only almost filling 1tb. And I have a tons of games, music, and other things on it. I'm not exactly packing flac files but I have a lot of stuff.
I could pack it if I installed every game I owned and started bulking up on flac files, or I could get into photoshop / modelling and pack it with huge animation files, but 2.5 is more than solid for the (average) person.
10tb SSD though, god damn that is cool
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[QUOTE=Adlertag1940;47407054]Now what about implementing this tech into Graphics hardware?[/QUOTE]
64tb vram please
I need uncompressed textures that are 100,000x100,000
[QUOTE=Atlascore;47406853]Yeah sure for the average person SSD lifespans are fine.. but we're not talking about that dude, did you even read my post?
72TB of written data is pathetic for any heavy-duty work, I hope you're not planning on doing anything besides gaming or browsing the web with that SSD.[/QUOTE]
72TB is hardly pathetic for machines that will have their drives replaced bi-yearly and more frequently in a lot of places but okay. i already said that HDDs are going to be used in tandem through NAS but okay i didn't read your post at all did i
they're paying for the reduced loading times. which can be really critical in situations like media exporting and live work
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i don't actually know where i got the 72TB figure, because there are reports of SSDs lasting hundreds of TB writes. 72TB is just the absolute [i]guarantee[/i] for my SSD, which is probably a super conservative estimate considering the m500 uses good controllers and chips.
[url]http://techreport.com/review/26523/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-casualties-on-the-way-to-a-petabyte[/url]
does this mean anything for processors?
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;47407364]does this mean anything for processors?
does this mean we might have multi-layered ASICs?[/QUOTE]
it has for a while, intel has been implementing Tri-Gate, their 3d transistor design. unless you have something else in mind
[url=http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/silicon-innovations/intel-22nm-technology.html]2011[/url] 22nm manufacturing process report related to 3d transistors
[QUOTE=.Lain;47407374]it has for a while, intel has been implementing Tri-Gate, their 3d transistor design. unless you have something else in mind
[URL="http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/silicon-innovations/intel-22nm-technology.html"]2011[/URL] 22nm manufacturing process report related to 3d transistors[/QUOTE]
tri-gates are different though, they aren't stacking transistors on each other. tri-gates basically means the transistor's gate contacts the drain/source on three sides instead of just passing over it like normal planar transistors.
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that's not really "stacking" transistors on top of eachother though, tri-gates just allows for transistors to have a vertical dimension which allows for slightly more transistors per unit area.
i dont even know what i could do with 10tb but i embrace the future
So... something Samsung been using in it's 850 series since July 2014?
[QUOTE=Cornish;47407758]i dont even know what i could do with 10tb but i embrace the future[/QUOTE]
its a big deal for youtubers who record large videos. fraps and dxtory 1080P 60fps itself is insane in the amount of space it takes up. a 30 minute video could easily be 70-100 gb uncompressed
[QUOTE=.Lain;47406706]modern SSD tech lasts as long as an average HDD lifespan if not beyond that much
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my m.2 480GB m500 SSD has a warranty of three years and a projected lifespan of 72TB written (read doesn't do damage to flash memory)
and it's not even particularly great in terms of lifespan.
Apple replaced HDD storage in the Mac Pro with SSD drives. they are ready to be used in servers, creative workplaces and the likes. especially considering that most of those sectors store everything on disk-based network storage anyways, away from the SSD scratch disk.[/QUOTE]
Honestly, I can see a shift to SSD in every user-accessible machine and server, with HDD RAID for larger backups, very soon. We'll see HDDs start to go the way of Magnetic Tape within the next five years, where they're only used because of their price per GB.
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[QUOTE=AJ10017;47407809]its a big deal for youtubers who record large videos. fraps and dxtory 1080P 60fps itself is insane in the amount of space it takes up. a 30 minute video could easily be 70-100 gb uncompressed[/QUOTE]
It's a big deal for anyone who does any sort of creative work. Anyone who's done video editing upwards of 720p source material on an SSD can tell you just how much time you save on data access. If we want to have 4K content become feasible for the mass-market, larger SSDs in production houses are going to have to become more widespread.
That's one of the reasons I love my Macbook, I can edit 1080p video all day long with no slowdown due to storage access. It's fantastic. If the processor and graphics were more powerful, I could handle 4-8K no problem.
[QUOTE=J!NX;47407151]how long until we have so much storage that we can't even fill it no matter how hard we try? (Consumer level, not for business)[/QUOTE]
As storage and bandwidth become cheaper, compression will likely becomes less and less important, and an unneeded hindrance in real time applications. Look at titanfall; to squeeze more performance, they packed in like 40GB of uncompressed audio files into the game. Other games are looking at huge installers because of larger and larger texture resolutions from consumer demand. When was the last time you scoffed at a 5GB game install? 10GB? 30GB? The size of everything will go up eventually, and who knows what kind of mediums and media standards we'll be looking at in the future.
I mean how many gigs is a 4K full length film? At a high frame rate? If VR and 3d stuff takes off, are we going to downloading and consuming 3d panoramic images and pictures? Talking less fantastically, my cell phone today takes 14MP images. That wasn't even available to the DSLR market a decade ago.
I remember as a kid, getting a 100MB external drive for my mac OS6 was like, all the space in the world and we were asking the same questions you're asking now - then again, games of the time were sprite based or featured 100 poly or less 3d models, and most images were on a 16 bit color palette optimized for 800x600 and 640x480 monitors.
[QUOTE=Megalan;47407792]So... something Samsung been using in it's 850 series since July 2014?[/QUOTE]
Yep, the article makes it sound like there some huge innovation of some sort, but its actually just them entering the market.
Good for consumers tho, because it will probably drive the SSD cost down a little.
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