Uh-oh, Texas Ebola Patient flew from Dallas to Cleveland, and back again before symptoms emegered. - Polidicks

[QUOTE]The second Texas health-care worker to be diagnosed with Ebola flew from Dallas to Cleveland and back in the days before she reported symptoms, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said on Wednesday. The woman flew on Frontier Airlines flight 1142 from Dallas-Fort Worth airport to Cleveland on Oct. 10, the CDC said. She then flew back to Dallas on Frontier flight 1143 on Oct. 13, landing at 8:16 p.m. local time on Monday, the CDC said. The patient began exhibiting symptoms on Tuesday morning, at which point she was isolated, the CDC said. Ebola patients are only contagious when exhibiting symptoms of the virus, health officials say, and crew on the Oct. 13 flight observed no signs of the illness, according to the CDC. Still, the agency and Frontier Airlines are asking all passengers from those flights to contact the CDC at 1-800-CDC-INFO. The CDC said public health professionals will begin calling passengers to interview them and answer their questions. “Individuals who are determined to be at any potential risk will be actively monitored,” the agency said. CDC Director Tom Frieden told reporters Wednesday that the agency instructed individuals being monitored because of potential contact with Ebola to only travel via “controlled movement,” such as a car or a chartered plane. “That does not include public transportation. She should not have been on that plane,” he said, referring to the second health-care worker with Ebola. He said the agency will now make sure that all other individuals being monitored won’t use public transportation, including commercial passenger flights. Still, he sought to assuage concerns that fellow passengers on the Oct. 13 flight were infected, noting that the Ebola patient didn’t vomit and wasn’t bleeding on the flight. “There’s an extremely low likelihood that anyone on this plane was exposed,” he said. “But we’re putting into place extra margins of safety, and that’s why we’re contacting everyone on that flight.” The incident raises a new set of questions of how authorities are handling efforts to keep the Ebola virus contained in the U.S. The episode also could increase public anxiety about risks from the disease posed by air travel, and pressure U.S. authorities to add restrictions on individuals who are being monitored for potential Ebola exposure. President Barack Obama put off a campaign trip to Connecticut and New Jersey originally set for Wednesday, opting instead to convene his cabinet to review the government’s response to the Ebola outbreak. Mr. Obama will convene a meeting at the White House with senior officials who are coordinating the government’s response to Ebola, spokesman Josh Earnest said. He is expected to deliver brief remarks at the meeting’s conclusion. The woman, identified as Amber Joy Vinson, is a health-care worker who helped treat a Liberian man, Thomas Eric Duncan, diagnosed with Ebola at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital Dallas on Sept. 30. He died last Wednesday. Another nurse also was infected while caring for Mr. Duncan and is now being treated at the hospital. Authorities haven’t reported any air travel by her. The incident spread concern about Ebola to a second U.S. region. Mary DiOrio, Ohio’s epidemiologist, said state and county health officials were working with the CDC to identify people who may have been in close contact with the infected woman and to “implement quarantine as necessary.” She said Ohio has been working on its preparedness plan since July. Kent State University said Ms. Vinson is a graduate of the university and is related to three of its employees but that she hadn’t visited the school’s campus over the weekend, as some reports had indicated. On Tuesday, before news of Ms. Vinson’s visit to Ohio, top Ohio health and public-safety officials conducted a planning seminar in the capitol, Columbus, to identify any gaps in Ebola preparedness. The state said Tuesday the CDC had designated the state’s health department lab as a “level 3 lab,” qualified to conduct initial Ebola testing. Air travel measures to deal with Ebola so far have largely been aimed at preventing West African travelers from carrying the disease into the U.S., rather than at halting the spread of Ebola via U.S. domestic flights. Authorities in Liberia, Guinea and Sierra Leone, the countries with the highest rates of Ebola, are taking the temperatures of all departing travelers. The CDC also has asked airlines to monitor passengers and report any symptoms. Last week, the agency announced it would also begin temperature checks and health surveys for travelers arriving from the affected countries to five U.S. airports. The CDC said those airports account for 94% of the roughly 150 passengers coming into the U.S. from those countries daily. Health authorities already were monitoring more than 120 health-care workers in Dallas and other people who came in contact with the Liberian man or people who were in contact with him. The hospital didn’t immediately respond to questions about why the health-care worker was on a commercial flight, a day after another worker had been diagnosed with the Ebola virus. The CDC and Frontier said 132 passengers were on the Oct. 13 flight, and 153 passengers on the Oct. 10 flight. Those flights involved two different aircraft, according to FlightAware.com, a flight-tracking website. Frontier Airlines said that after the Monday flight with the Texas Ebola patient, that aircraft “received a thorough cleaning per our normal procedures which is consistent with CDC guidelines.” On Tuesday, the plane flew five more flights, stopping in Cleveland, Fort Lauderdale, Fla., and Atlanta, according to FlightAware. Frontier said it cleaned that aircraft again on Tuesday night, and then, upon learning of its former passenger’s Ebola diagnosis, removed the aircraft from service. When Ms. Vinson flew on Oct. 10, she hadn’t reported any symptoms, the CDC said. Frontier hasn’t taken the aircraft that carried her on that flight out of service, according to FlightAware. “It’s currently on its way to Cancun,” Mark Duell, a FlightAware vice president, said on Wednesday afternoon. The aircraft has since been to several other cities, including Cincinnati, Philadelphia, San Diego and Denver, he said. Frontier didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment on that plane’s status.[/QUOTE] SOURCE: [url]http://online.wsj.com/articles/texas-ebola-patient-flew-on-night-before-fever-appeared-cdc-says-1413387240[/url] SOURCE 2: [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/15/ebola_n_5990164.html[/url] SOURCE 3: [url]http://wreg.com/2014/10/15/newest-ebola-patient-flew-night-before-going-to-hospital/[/url]

[quote]Ebola patients are only contagious when exhibiting symptoms of the virus[/quote] Should be good then.

"before symptoms emerged" Shouldn't be a problem then.

[QUOTE=helpiminabox;46242248]Should be good then.[/QUOTE] Yeah, that's what I'm just glad about. Apparently she went to a museum, etc before flying back.

it's a conspiracy to get lebron back to miami

[QUOTE=LarparNar;46242278]"before symptoms emerged" Shouldn't be a problem then.[/QUOTE] Still shows a flaw in the system.

I don't get why people are saying that western countries can deal with ebola or that its not a problem. In both Spain and the USA, several hospital staff ended up getting infected, which points to a complete lack of competence, training, or equipment, and it's obvious that we aren't prepared to deal with any outbreaks.

[QUOTE=Poben;46242888]I don't get why people are saying that western countries can deal with ebola or that its not a problem. In both Spain and the USA, several hospital staff ended up getting infected, which points to a complete lack of competence, training, or equipment, and it's obvious that we aren't prepared to deal with any outbreaks.[/QUOTE] I can't speak for Spain, but before very recently, Ebola had never been in the United States. Apparently there was a pandemic plan written in 2005, but I'm not sure anyone was prepared for Ebola coming into the US. That having been said, I still agree with you. We really aren't prepared.

[QUOTE=Poben;46242888]I don't get why people are saying that western countries can deal with ebola or that its not a problem. In both Spain and the USA, several hospital staff ended up getting infected, which points to a complete lack of competence, training, or equipment, and it's obvious that we aren't prepared to deal with any outbreaks.[/QUOTE] What's confused me is how a lot of people on FP have said that Ebola is hard as fuck to spread in first-world countries, unless you basically roll in infected bodily fluids and have splashfights in them with other people. And yet, it seems to be spreading like crazy anyways. I get that a lot of the fear over it is just fear-mongering bullshit being churned up for views/clicks, but it's still spreading a lot more than people claim it should. It's a bit confusing.

[QUOTE=Killuah;46242848]Still shows a flaw in the system.[/QUOTE] Yeah it tends to be hard to spot a virus when it doesn't show symptoms buddy. [editline]15th October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=TurboSax;46243081]What's confused me is how a lot of people on FP have said that Ebola is hard as fuck to spread in first-world countries, unless you basically roll in infected bodily fluids and have splashfights in them with other people. And yet, it seems to be spreading like crazy anyways. I get that a lot of the fear over it is just fear-mongering bullshit being churned up for views/clicks, but it's still spreading a lot more than people claim it should. It's a bit confusing.[/QUOTE] 2 cases in the US and you guys are treating it like it's a fucking wildfire.

The media is just going to milk every possible drop of fear out of this, aren't they?

[QUOTE=TurboSax;46243081]What's confused me is how a lot of people on FP have said that Ebola is hard as fuck to spread in first-world countries, unless you basically roll in infected bodily fluids and have splashfights in them with other people. And yet, it seems to be spreading like crazy anyways. I get that a lot of the fear over it is just fear-mongering bullshit being churned up for views/clicks, but it's still spreading a lot more than people claim it should. It's a bit confusing.[/QUOTE] It's not spreading a lot though? Only three people, who all were in direct contact with a patient, have been infected with it in a western nation. That's not to say we should underestimate the risk, there's definitely a risk if we don't deal with this properly, but compared to West Africa, Ebola will have a much harder time spreading as significantly in the US or Spain. Also a reminder that apart from in Spain, none of the people treating or transferring a medically evacuated person has been infected. (Yet)

At least we have an easy way of knowing who had potential exposure even thoigh he wasn't yet contagious. Anyone registered for flights on those days, museum visitors, hotel records. It's easy enough to contain this even if it was in thr stages of being highly contagious.

People have got to realize that even if he was showing symptoms of Ebola while on a flight he's still very unlikely to transmit the disease to other passengers.

[QUOTE=TurboSax;46243081]What's confused me is how a lot of people on FP have said that Ebola is hard as fuck to spread in first-world countries, unless you basically roll in infected bodily fluids and have splashfights in them with other people. And yet, it seems to be spreading like crazy anyways. I get that a lot of the fear over it is just fear-mongering bullshit being churned up for views/clicks, but it's still spreading a lot more than people claim it should. It's a bit confusing.[/QUOTE] 3 people. "Spreading like crazy."

-snip-

While I'm not worried or panicking, these fuck ups are really depressing. They just show that the CDC/America is not taking Ebola seriously at all. Hopefully there won't be any more of these and we actually start working on a solution

Tommorrow's Headlines: Texas Ebola Patient Traveled to Washington DC on Malaysian Airlines

[QUOTE=Poben;46242888]I don't get why people are saying that western countries can deal with ebola or that its not a problem. In both Spain and the USA, several hospital staff ended up getting infected, which points to a complete lack of competence, training, or equipment, and it's obvious that we aren't prepared to deal with any outbreaks.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't compare Spain to the United States

[QUOTE=Megadave;46243486]Tommorrow's Headlines: Texas Ebola Patient Traveled to Washington DC on Malaysian Airlines[/QUOTE] "Did This Texas Ebola Patient Visit D.C. and Infect the President for ISIS? You Won't Believe The Truth. Click Here to Find Out More!"

[QUOTE=bravehat;46243124]2 cases in the US and you guys are treating it like it's a fucking wildfire.[/QUOTE] It's more the way the whole reaction to it has been. It reeks of ineptitude and carelessness. (Not just in the home countries but also in West Africa, where seemingly the attitude is increasingly one of "let them die, it's done for there".) There are thousands of people dead in West Africa in the biggest ebola outbreak in human history, and people in the West are all of the attitude "oh golly, bad luck for them, hope it doesn't come here, and if it does it won't matter because we're too rich to die".

I hope she didn't cum on anybody while there.

Only three known people. That's the thing. It can spread without even showing symptoms for the first few days, and even then it's just like any other flu. Hospitals are unprepared, what about all the people near the guy in the waiting room, or the sweat or otherwise that he left on the chair? You can catch it by shaking people's hands, even. It could be three people or it could be exponentially worse.

[QUOTE=Potus;46243451]While I'm not worried or panicking, these fuck ups are really depressing. They just show that the CDC/America is not taking Ebola seriously at all. Hopefully there won't be any more of these and we actually start working on a solution[/QUOTE] Hey dude, don't diss the CDC because they are really doing a good job. If it got through at first, It wasn't the CDC's fault because they are not the ones doing checks and being on the look out for who's sick and who's not. Each hospital has to meet a criteria and follow guidelines to separate those who "check" against certains conditions which may mean he or she has got Ebola. For example, in one of the cases, the Mr had high fever and went to the hospital. The nurse asked him where he had been, Liberia being one of the places, and in that moment it didn't "ring" anybody's bell. But it was only after it got worse and doctors reviewed the case that they saw the connection. The CDC sent in a 10 men team to trace back anybody who could have in contact with him, so as to set up "rings" and isolate people - wait for the virus to show. The State is doing its job pretty well. It depends on people to follow the rules and advise from the pros rather to give in to mass hysteria. The US is not fucked up, Africa, on the other hand, is.

That movie Outbreak sure is springing to mind The USA only has four hospitals that are properly trained/equipped to handle Ebola cases. 4.

[QUOTE=TheTalon;46244092]That movie Outbreak sure is springing to mind The USA only has four hospitals that are properly trained/equipped to handle Ebola cases. 4.[/QUOTE] [citation needed] Every modern Hospital in America is required to have isolation rooms and Hospital staff are required to have training in infection control. It's called TJC (The Joint Comission) and they're the people who ensure it. You'd probably know it too of you ever had any idea what you're talking about.

[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;46244456][citation needed] Every modern Hospital in America is required to have isolation rooms and Hospital staff are required to have training in infection control. It's called TJC (The Joint Comission) and they're the people who ensure it. You'd probably know it too of you ever had any idea what you're talking about.[/QUOTE] In his defense the media had been deliberately pushing that "fact" since the two healthworkers were brought back for treatment.

Apparently, she also visited family in Akron, Ohio too. [URL]http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/10/akron_reacts_to_news_that_seco.html[/URL] And i've heard, but can't find an article currently, that some of the family members she visited are employees at Kent State University. Not sure how this will all play out, colleges are easy to spread infection around in. Hopefully everything is alright because I go to Ohio University, and I've got friends in Akron.

she also reported having a fever TO THE CDC, who then still cleared her to fly on the plane.... [url]http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ebola-nurse-called-cdc-several-times/[/url]

[QUOTE=LarparNar;46243145]It's not spreading a lot though? Only three people, who all were in direct contact with a patient, have been infected with it in a western nation. That's not to say we should underestimate the risk, there's definitely a risk if we don't deal with this properly, but compared to West Africa, Ebola will have a much harder time spreading as significantly in the US or Spain. Also a reminder that apart from in Spain, none of the people treating or transferring a medically evacuated person has been infected. (Yet)[/QUOTE] And in spain it was a case of negligence as the nurse took off her mask and scratched her face with the gloves still on.