Jackass intends to bother everyone by open-carrying at a local zoo. - Polidicks

[URL]http://www.kmov.com/story/29304034/ohio-man-plans-to-enter-st-louis-zoo-with-gun-saturday[/URL] [quote]Even though there are signs posted around the zoo stating that weapons are not allowed, Jeff Smith is planning to walk into the zoo with a gun visible to others, most likely in a holster or belt on his hip. [B]Smith said he will demand to know what Missouri State Law he has violated if he is stopped from entering.[/B][/quote] I'm a blood-thirsty gun-toting American myself, and even I think this guy is just being a shitlord.

[quote]Smith said he will demand to know what Missouri State Law he has violated if he is stopped from entering.[/quote] disturbing the peace????

[QUOTE=MasterFen006;47939484]disturbing the peace????[/QUOTE] I would mostly think, "Private Property". Ergo their zoo, their rules; don't like em', get out.

[QUOTE=MasterFen006;47939484]disturbing the peace????[/QUOTE] I'm seriously expecting this [t]https://reneedezvous.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/im-sorry-i-thought-this-was-america-randy-marsh-south-park.jpeg[/t]

open carry is ridiculous. it wasn't ever designed to protect people like this. it should only apply to hunters in areas where you would have any valid reason to have a weapon exposed in a public area

It's really going to come down to if this is a public zoo or privately owned zoo. If it is private then he is in the wrong.

[quote]Smith said he will demand to know what Missouri State Law he has violated if he is stopped from entering.[/quote] Isn't the zoo private property, hence that is completely irrelevant?

[QUOTE=usaokay;47939469]Just in case those lions evolve thumbs.[/QUOTE] Lions are from Africa. Muslims are from Africa. COINCIDENCE?!

[QUOTE=.Lain;47939496]open carry is ridiculous. it wasn't ever designed to protect people like this.[/QUOTE] If I go into a place with the intent of robbing it. I have a handgun of my own in this instance. I see you with a great big showy piece on your hip.. I mean who am I going to drop first?

Trespass him and boot him from the zoo. The zoo doesn't have to elaborate any further than to prove they aren't doing it based on a protected class.

There's really no reason to do this other than to be an attention whoring prick. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL8JEEt2RxI[/media]

[QUOTE=Parakon;47939539]There's really no reason to do this other than to be an attention whoring prick. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL8JEEt2RxI[/media][/QUOTE] "Look at me! Look at me! Look at me!... This is for gun rights..look at me though."

[QUOTE=Extronic;47939524]do you guys even read the article?[/QUOTE] Missed that part, but since it is a public zoo then the law should protect him to open carry. While, I don't agree with the "protest" as long as he abides by the open carry regulations I don't see him being at fault.

[QUOTE=MasterFen006;47939484]disturbing the peace????[/QUOTE] Hold up, I'm strongly against OC but what you're doing is exactly what OCers are rallying against. Booking anyone who carries for 'disturbing the peace' would constitute a de facto a ban on carrying a firearm, contrary to laws protecting open carry. If a state has legal open carry and someone is open carrying on public property, then legally they should only be stopped or arrested if they're doing something more threatening. The zoo is apparently a public non-profit under the [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_Zoological_Park_and_Museum_District]Metropolitan Zoological Park and Museum District[/url], so I believe it is considered public property. If that's the case, then there's no legal grounds to stop him.

It's legal but a real dick thing to do.

I'm cringing at the unironic use if "shitlord"

[QUOTE=coolgame8013;47939491]I would mostly think, "Private Property". Ergo their zoo, their rules; don't like em', get out.[/QUOTE] Article says the zoo is public property. [editline]12th June 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=ZakkShock;47939513]If I go into a place with the intent of robbing it. I have a handgun of my own in this instance. I see you with a great big showy piece on your hip.. I mean who am I going to drop first?[/QUOTE] Mmhm. Open carry is nice and all but it really only puts a huge target on your back should something actually go down. If I felt like I was in sufficient danger of being attacked that I needed to be armed all the time it'd be a concealed carry. No sense drawing any undue attention to myself.

[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;47939549]Missed that part, but since it is a public zoo then the law should protect him to open carry. While, I don't agree with the "protest" as long as he abides by the open carry regulations I don't see him being at fault.[/QUOTE] From wikipedia: [quote][b]Permissive open carry states[/b] A state has passed full preemption of all firearms laws. They do not prohibit open carry for all non-prohibited citizens and do not require a permit or license to open carry. Open carry is lawful on foot and in a motor vehicle. [highlight]It must be noted that while open carry may be legal in such jurisdictions per se, persons openly carrying firearms may be detained and cited by law enforcement officials for disorderly conduct or disturbing the peace in certain locations and circumstances where openly carrying could cause public alarm.[/highlight][/quote] Pretty sure a guy carrying a gun in a place that says "Leave that shit at home" will cause some public alarm.

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;47939710]From wikipedia: Pretty sure a guy carrying a gun in a place that says "Leave that shit at home" will cause some public alarm.[/QUOTE] Mmhm. [QUOTE=JohnFisher89;47939549]Missed that part, but since it is a public zoo then the law should protect him to open carry. While, I don't agree with the "protest" as long as he abides by the open carry regulations I don't see him being at fault.[/QUOTE] Public schools are also public property but no civvy will ever make it more than ten feet into one while open carrying before every cop within 20 miles converges on their dumb ass. Gun-free zones are gun-free zones regardless of who owns them and this jackass is going to make a huge fuss when he inevitably gets in trouble.

[QUOTE=.Lain;47939496]open carry is ridiculous. it wasn't ever designed to protect people like this. it should only apply to hunters in areas where you would have any valid reason to have a weapon exposed in a public area[/QUOTE] That and in the case of handguns, people who for one reason or another absolutely cannot conceal their preferred sidearm. People toting around AR-15s and shit are generally just trying to stir the pot and often use them to intimidate minorities, which is something I think should be classified as felony intimidation if you're caught doing it (in the case of, for example, the bikers in Arizona going to mosques) so that your firearms are confiscated. That of course opens the door for charging anyone with felony intimidation for having a gun on them and some stupid soccer mom wigging out though so it'd really need to be handled delicately and I'm not sure I trust our legal system with that kind of responsibility. Confiscation also makes me uneasy because it leads to a lot of historic/heirloom pieces getting chucked in a furnace.

These people who label themselves as the so-called champions for advancing gun rights are the very same people who regress and reverse legislation on "gun rights" He's a coward who needs attention.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;47939814]These people who label themselves as the so-called champions for advancing gun rights are the very same people who regress and reverse legislation on "gun rights" He's a coward who needs attention.[/QUOTE] These are the people turning Americans against gun rights by scaring the shit out of everyone wherever they go. It's backwards and it needs to stop but these people don't really [I]care[/I] about the consequences.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;47939851]These are the people turning Americans against gun rights by scaring the shit out of everyone wherever they go. It's backwards and it needs to stop but these people don't really [I]care[/I] about the consequences.[/QUOTE] There's no other advocate for gun control than public gun-right activists themselves.

Open carry is a great thing. It lets me know how many people are going to get shot before the potential begins for me to be next, thus I can approximate the amount of time I have to seek cover and/or escape from danger.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;47939780]That and in the case of handguns, people who for one reason or another absolutely cannot conceal their preferred sidearm. People toting around AR-15s and shit are generally just trying to stir the pot and often use them to intimidate minorities, which is something I think should be classified as felony intimidation if you're caught doing it (in the case of, for example, the bikers in Arizona going to mosques) so that your firearms are confiscated. That of course opens the door for charging anyone with felony intimidation for having a gun on them and some stupid soccer mom wigging out though so it'd really need to be handled delicately and I'm not sure I trust our legal system with that kind of responsibility. Confiscation also makes me uneasy because it leads to a lot of historic/heirloom pieces getting chucked in a furnace.[/QUOTE] if you can't conceal your handgun then it's not fit to be a CCW.

[QUOTE=.Lain;47940058]if you can't conceal your handgun then it's not fit to be a CCW.[/QUOTE] As a very thin person who carries, I can't exactly conceal my firearm, not even my compact ones. The issue isn't always the firearm, but the body type of the person carrying.

[QUOTE=catbarf;47939562]Hold up, I'm strongly against OC but what you're doing is exactly what OCers are rallying against. Booking anyone who carries for 'disturbing the peace' would constitute a de facto a ban on carrying a firearm, contrary to laws protecting open carry. If a state has legal open carry and someone is open carrying on public property, then legally they should only be stopped or arrested if they're doing something more threatening. The zoo is apparently a public non-profit under the [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_Zoological_Park_and_Museum_District"]Metropolitan Zoological Park and Museum District[/URL], so I believe it is considered public property. If that's the case, then there's no legal grounds to stop him.[/QUOTE] Carrying a gun for reactions is disturbing the peace in a literal sense. I couldn't care less if the right to bear assault rifles and other obnoxious weapons in public places was revoked.

you don't need a god damn assault rifle/SMG/Shot gun to defend yourself Jesus Tits stop being a fucking sperglord

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;47940178]Carrying a gun for reactions is disturbing the peace in a literal sense.[/QUOTE] If carrying in public is considered disturbing the peace, then the laws are mutually contradictory and need to be resolved. If there is a law on the books saying you can open carry in public, but another law saying if you open carry you're disturbing the peace and have to stop, then the first law is pointless and open carry is effectively illegal. And that first law should either be repealed, or upheld over the second, and either way a court needs to be involved to set the matter straight. What this guy is doing is deliberately provoking that dispute. [QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;47940178]I couldn't care less if the right to bear assault rifles and other obnoxious weapons in public places was revolked.[/QUOTE] That's fine- I actually don't disagree. But that should be done in a court or through legislation passed by democratically-elected officials, not by a police chief or other bureaucrat deciding on his own that anyone open carrying in public is disturbing the peace and should be arrested. Overriding existing legislation with unofficial policy is a subversion of the democratic process.

[QUOTE=J!NX;47940232]you don't need a god damn assault rifle/SMG/Shot gun to defend yourself Jesus Tits stop being a fucking sperglord[/QUOTE] he could be OCing a handgun but yeah most people who "protest oc" just waltz around with some big gun and get standoffish with police while yelling aboug their rights [editline]12th June 2015[/editline] personally i don't mind people who oc a handgun, in some instances it can discourage people from committing a mugging or robbery because a lot of people robbing, even those who are armed, aren't just going to go in and pop someone since that comes with a far heavier sentence than armed robbery and they know it