HS2: High-speed rail route phase two details announced
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[quote]Details of the next phase of the £32bn HS2 high-speed rail network have been unveiled by the government.[/quote]
Source: [URL]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21221828[/URL]
Notable comments:
[QUOTE]HS2, a £32 billion (at least) project. We could spend a 10th of that, and lay fibre optic cable to serve the entire nation. That would negate the need for many to even commute at all.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]£32 billion?
I'll happily bet you £32 billion it will cost a lot more than that, be finished about ten years late, be outdated before its working and fail to deliver the promised benefits.
Still, lots of politicians and civil servants will end up with nice cushy jobs as non-execs for construction and materials companies...
Like taking candy from a baby...;o)[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]This is a scheme to keep London fuelled with cheaper labour from the midlands and the north.
A total waste of money. Take the Brum to London route. If you don't live within 15 minutes of the station it will make zero material difference - save the probable hike in ticket prices.
Meanwhile, I can't get decent broadband, even in a large town, with no plans by BT to upgrade the local cabinet.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Am I missing something in all of this - haven't the railways been privatised? Why am I paying for private companies to make a profit on something that I (and many others) will not use?][/QUOTE]
(I hope these are allowed, they aren't really part of the article so it isn't like I copy-pasted that...)
These comments piss me off, if I'm already paying extortionate prices for the train then I want some damn improvements. To be honest re-nationalisation would be nice as well.
But dude, competition provides great value for the consumer...
because it does
[QUOTE=MachiniOs;39389267]These comments piss me off, if I'm already paying extortionate prices for the train then I want some damn improvements. To be honest re-nationalisation would be nice as well.[/QUOTE]
There are cheaper ways of doing - like improving regional rail routes and sending services around London, not through it - less trains on a stretch of track means they can go faster, and it'd improve travel times up and down the country.
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:~)
I hope it ends up going into Scotland eventually
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Oh god so close to Liverpool...
Also I was surprised to see Toton on that map, it's a tiny village near to where I used to live that's practically abandoned by local transport. Upon Googleing it though it turns out they're building the station on top of some abandoned land I used to drink on when I was a teenager! how exciting :D
I live in Sheffield and they're building the station 4 miles from the city centre, there are trams into the centre but it seems a bit pointless taking a fast train to end up miles from the centre and having to wait and pay for buses / trams / taxis
[QUOTE=smurfy;39390579][img]http://imgkk.com/i/dnp8.gif[/img]
:~)
I hope it ends up going into Scotland eventually[/QUOTE]
Suprised to see my hometown on there.
Looks fast:
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and expensive
[quote]HS2, a £32 billion (at least) project. We could spend a 10th of that, and lay fibre optic cable to serve the entire nation. [b]That would negate the need for many to even commute at all.[/b][/quote]
Yeah totally, no one has any other reason to commute other than to talk to each other right?
Also it's a damn shame that my local station wouldn't benefit from this.
[QUOTE]Like taking candy from a baby...;o)[/QUOTE]
f-funion?
[QUOTE=matt.ant;39391225]Looks fast:
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and expensive[/QUOTE]
Fuck me that looks awesome.
[QUOTE=alien_guy;39391298]Fuck me that looks awesome.[/QUOTE]
Too bad the trains wouldn't really look like that, the screens would be destroyed by the end of the week they're introduced.
[QUOTE=alien_guy;39391298]Fuck me that looks awesome.[/QUOTE]
I wonder how easy it is to pour a glass of champagne or walk up those stairs at 250mph
[QUOTE=matt.ant;39391225]Looks fast:
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and expensive[/QUOTE]
As gorgeous as that is, I've been acutely aware of the cost of a return to London rising steadily since September so if there's one thing I want from rail improvements it's not fancy seats it's cheaper tickets.
[QUOTE=matt.ant;39391225]Looks fast:
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and expensive[/QUOTE]
Those designs [url=http://www.designcouncil.org.uk/about-design/types-of-design/transport-design/mercury-high-speed-train/]appear[/url] to be concepts made by some company in 2010, and not official in any way
It would be awesome if I'm wrong thogh
Well..looks like my hometown, after zooming in by a good amount, is just about going to avoid it with it being on the outskirts. Can't say the same for some other places unfortunately. Would rather it be used on other things, like improving the one we currently have.
[QUOTE=matt.ant;39391309]I wonder how easy it is to pour a glass of champagne or walk up those stairs at 250mph[/QUOTE]
As easy as it would be at any other speed. It's all a matter of smooth rail lines and maintaining constant speed.
[QUOTE=Whitewolf;39391490]Well..looks like my hometown, after zooming in by a good amount, is just about going to avoid it with it being on the outskirts. Can't say the same for some other places unfortunately. Would rather it be used on other things, like improving the one we currently have.[/QUOTE]
I might be wrong, but I remember hearing if your home is within a certain area of where it will be, the government will buy your house off you
[QUOTE=Camundongo;39389833]There are cheaper ways of doing - like improving regional rail routes and sending services around London, not through it - less trains on a stretch of track means they can go faster, and it'd improve travel times up and down the country.[/QUOTE]
I worked at Euston Station for a few months of last year as a Train Dispatcher.
Upgrading is not an option. You can only make trains so long (some in the peaks are already 12 cars) before it starts to get difficult to manage, plus upgrading only increases capacity in small amounts. A new line takes strain off existing lines and doubles capacity.
[QUOTE=Bengley;39391666]I worked at Euston Station for a few months of last year as a Train Dispatcher.
Upgrading is not an option. You can only make trains so long (some in the peaks are already 12 cars) before it starts to get difficult to manage, plus upgrading only increases capacity in small amounts. A new line takes strain off existing lines and doubles capacity.[/QUOTE]
Well, the idea IIRC (which was brought to the government's attention last year) was to have new, normal speed lines that go around London, instead of trying to cram every single train through it, and strengthen or add new lines to the Midlands and the West Country.
Basically so if you want to go to into London, a few trains go direct, and the rest you have to transfer into London from a station outside it, so the east and west coast lines literally stick roughly to the coasts, and there would be central lines in the middle. Or something like that. it was suggested because it was far cheaper.
[QUOTE=Camundongo;39391791]Well, the idea IIRC (which was brought to the government's attention last year) was to have new, normal speed lines that go around London, instead of trying to cram every single train through it, and strengthen or add new lines to the Midlands and the West Country.
Basically so if you want to go to into London, a few trains go direct, and the rest you have to transfer into London from a station outside it, so the east and west coast lines literally stick roughly to the coasts, and there would be central lines in the middle. Or something like that. it was suggested because it was far cheaper.[/QUOTE]
There are only two main line railways which actually goes 'through' London - the West London Line and Thameslink (there are others but nothing which sees any major use). Most trains start from a London Terminus and go out of London.
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