Senate filibuster ends; GOP agrees to vote on expanded background checks, watch list buy ban - Polidicks

[quote]Senate Democrats ended a nearly 15-hour filibuster early Thursday after Republican Party leaders reportedly agreed to allow votes on two proposed gun control measures. Sen. Chris Murphy, a Democrat from Connecticut, said that a compromise had been reached. Votes would be held on whether to ban people on the government's terrorist watch list from obtaining gun licenses and whether to expand background checks to gun shows and internet sales, he added. [/quote] [url]http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/orlando-nightclub-massacre/filibuster-ends-after-gop-agrees-allow-gun-control-votes-senator-n593396[/url] Relevant again: [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNDcd1Fe5lg[/media]

And the votes will fail...

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;50534796]And the votes will fail...[/QUOTE] NRA already putting out the fucking call. That talk with Donald Trump work soooo well.

does murphy not realize, that as far as I'm aware, you can't have a gun shipped to your house but rather to an FFL Dealer who then runs the background check???

[QUOTE=bdd458;50534816]does murphy not realize, that as far as I'm aware, you can't have a gun shipped to your house but rather to an FFL Dealer who then runs the background check???[/QUOTE] I guarantee he does not know that. The lack of basic knowledge that most liberals have about anything regarding firearms is astounding. I guarantee there are members of congress who think the Orlando shooter had an automatic weapon, or think that AR-15s are fully automatic. People think that any interest in guns is taboo, and they don't need to know anything about them to legislate. Its ridiculous.

[QUOTE=bdd458;50534816]does murphy not realize, that as far as I'm aware, you can't have a gun shipped to your house but rather to an FFL Dealer who then runs the background check???[/QUOTE] I think when people refer to online sales they mean when online services are used to set up a private transaction where an FFL wouldn't be necessary.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;50534855]I think when people refer to online sales they mean when online services are used to set up a private transaction where an FFL wouldn't be necessary.[/QUOTE] Then why don't they be specific and say "private sales", all it does is spread ignorance about the laws already on the books.

[QUOTE=bdd458;50534867]Then why don't they be specific and say "private sales", all it does is spread ignorance about the laws already on the books.[/QUOTE] idk man, we are still talking about the "gun show loophole" which is a total farce in itself.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;50534855]I think when people refer to online sales they mean when online services are used to set up a private transaction where an FFL wouldn't be necessary.[/QUOTE] [del]I don't think that's the case, otherwise they would be talking about requiring people to run background checks or a complete ban on private sales or transfers between individuals.[/del] [B]Edit[/B]: ambushed by ninjas

Lets start stripping people's constitutional rights with no due process, using a list that can be edited at will with no judicial oversight and no reason given. What could possibly go wrong?

[QUOTE=AlienCreature;50534924]Lets start stripping people's constitutional rights with no due process, using a list that can be edited at will with no judicial oversight and no reason given. What could possibly go wrong?[/QUOTE] "Better safe than sorry"?

[QUOTE=Raidyr;50534874]idk man, we are still talking about the "gun show loophole" which is a total farce in itself.[/QUOTE] Not trying to start shit. Legit question. How is it a farce?

[QUOTE=abananapeel;50536011]Not trying to start shit. Legit question. How is it a farce?[/QUOTE] most sales at gunshows are from FFL gundealers who set up a booth. they still have to follow every law, background check and everything. you can also enter the gunshow with your own firearm(be it a rifle or a pistol) to sell, security checks it at the door and you can put a for sale sign. In that case it would be another private sale, you just happen to be at a gunshow

[QUOTE=beanhead;50536131]most sales at gunshows are from FFL gundealers who set up a booth. they still have to follow every law, background check and everything. you can also enter the gunshow with your own firearm(be it a rifle or a pistol) to sell, security checks it at the door and you can put a for sale sign. In that case it would be another private sale, you just happen to be at a gunshow[/QUOTE] So it's a private sales loophole then?

Me and my bro sell guns at shows all the time. Shouldn't be the fault of the seller if a gun is used to kill someone, blame the freak that used it.

[QUOTE=jimbobjoe1234;50536366]Me and my bro sell guns at shows all the time. Shouldn't be the fault of the seller if a gun is used to kill someone, blame the freak that used it.[/QUOTE] The courts would disagree with you on that.

[QUOTE=Sableye;50536436]The courts would disagree with you on that.[/QUOTE] What does that mean?

[QUOTE=Sableye;50536436]The courts would disagree with you on that.[/QUOTE] No, they wouldn't? Since when are dealers held liable for what people do with the guns they buy?

[QUOTE=srobins;50536458]What does that mean?[/QUOTE] If you negligently sell a firearm and it is then used in a crime the seller could be on the hook.

[QUOTE=No_Excuses;50536155]So it's a private sales loophole then?[/QUOTE]I have to say that there's some fucked logic going on if "loophole" is automatically attached to somebody exercising their rights in a manner that wasn't specifically regulated by some law somewhere. Usually, somebody who repeatedly focuses on a "gun show loophole" likely hates the 2nd Amendment, often using that talking point in some sort of "compromise" about "sensible gun control." I advise you not to listen to these people because they're quite often completely clueless and are usually idiots.

[QUOTE=No_Excuses;50536155]So it's a private sales loophole then?[/QUOTE] It's not a loophole. A loophole implies an unexpected consequence or bypass. In this case, it was a direct compromise between people who wanted background checks on all gun purchases, and those who wanted none at all. It was left this way so that you didn't need to have a background check for things like giving guns as gifts, passing them down, or selling to family or a friend. It was designed to be this way.