Russian security forces arrest 34 during Moscow gay pride protest - Polidicks

[quote]MOSCOW — Russian Interior Ministry Troops and Moscow Special Tactical Militia (police) arrested 34 people during an unauthorized gay pride parade in the center of the Russian capital Saturday. Moscow police spokesman, Maxim Kolosvetov, told Russian news agencies the 18 gay activists and 16 counter-demonstrators were arrested near Manezhnaya Square and Aleksandrovsky Garden, a short distance from the Kremlin. Kolosvetov noted that separate groups of Ultra-Orthodox Christians and anti-gay demonstrators also fought with the Gay Rights activists as well as with police and the ministry troops. According to Kolosvetov, individuals were not targeted due to their sexual-orientation. American LGBT rights activists Andy Thayer from Chicago, and Dan Choi, from New York, were confirmed as having been arrested, along with prominent British LGBT activist Peter Tatchell and French gay rights advocate Louis-Georges Tin. Nikolai Alexeyev, the leader of Russia’s gay rights movement, did not attend, having suffered an injury to his foot during a television debate Thursday. Alekseev, who had organized Saturday’s protest in defiance of a ban imposed by the Moscow city authorities, told media outlets that the demonstration was aimed at connecting gay rights with the Soviet Union’s stand against Germany in World War II, which remains a cornerstone of Russian national pride. “The demonstration ban is particularly shocking because during the Second World War, Muscovites stood against the Nazis who thought to exterminate Jews, homosexuals and Communists, but now the mayor of Moscow is colluding with new-Nazis,” said Tatchell, who has taken part in previous demonstrations in Moscow. City officials denied gay rights activists permission to stage a parade on May 28, referring to the Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms of November 4, 1950, which states that the right to freedom of peaceful assembly can be restricted in the interests of public order and protection of the rights and freedoms of other people. Although homosexuality was decriminalized in post-Soviet Russia, anti-gay sentiment is high and Russian authorities justify the bans on the grounds of trying to prevent fights. Activists also tried to hold a demonstration at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier outside the Kremlin and later outside the mayor’s office.[/quote]"We witnessed a high level of fraternisation and collusion between neo-Nazis and the Moscow police. I saw neo-Nazis leave and re-enter police buses parked on Tverskaya Street by City Hall. Our suspicion is that many of the neo-Nazis were actually plainclothes police officers, who did to us what their uniformed colleagues dared not do in front of the world’s media. Either that, or the police were actively facilitating the right-wing extremists with transport to the protest. "During the Second World War, Mucovites stood against the Nazis. Now the Mayor of Moscow is colluding with neo-Nazis. He gave the neo-Nazi groups permission to stage a protest calling for violence against gay people, while denying Moscow Gay Pride a permit to rally for gay equality." - Famed British activist [URL="http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2011/05/28/peter-tatchell-police-colluded-with-neo-nazis-at-moscow-pride-protests/"]Peter Tatchell[/URL], reporting from yesterday's demonstration in Moscow. Sources: [URL]http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2011/05/russian-security-forces-arrest-34-during-moscow-gay-pride-protest/[/URL] [url]http://advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2011/05/27/Choi_Beaten_Arrested_in_Russia/[/url]

I changed my views, Facepunch. I no longed bear any hatred for anyone who has a different sexuality. I changed. But I still can't fucking stand people who [I]parade[/I] with something that distinguishes them.

[i]Why do people rally without permits???[/i] It annoys me to no end, because it makes the government look like the bad guy when they are legally obligated to stop the parade. Although I am uninformed about this topic and they may in fact have tried to get a permit but were wrongfully denied.

[quote]Now the Mayor of Moscow is colluding with neo-Nazis. He gave the neo-Nazi groups permission to stage a protest calling for violence against gay people[/quote] Wow.

[QUOTE=The mouse;30127568]Wow.[/QUOTE] -snip-

Now the Nazis march on Moscow.

[QUOTE=The mouse;30127568][quote]Now the Mayor of Moscow is colluding with neo-Nazis. He gave the neo-Nazi groups permission to stage a protest calling for violence against gay people[/quote] Wow.[/QUOTE] I don't think there is any proof of that, I would prefer a less biased source.

[QUOTE=jaredop;30127702]I don't think there is any proof of that, I would prefer a less biased source.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2011/05/28/peter-tatchell-police-colluded-with-neo-nazis-at-moscow-pride-protests/[/url] That's supposed to be the source - the linked name in the OP, but 'pinknews' doesn't sound too trustworthy. Neither does 'lgbtqnation', but oh well.

[url]http://advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2011/05/27/Choi_Beaten_Arrested_in_Russia/[/url] The advocate is more reliable in this sort of thing so here is another source.

[QUOTE=Stopper;30127459]I changed my views, Facepunch. I no longed bear any hatred for anyone who has a different sexuality. I changed. But I still can't fucking stand people who [I]parade[/I] with something that distinguishes them.[/QUOTE] What is your problem You're parading your bigotry right now you bloody hypocrite

[QUOTE=lulzbocksV2;30127530][i]Why do people rally without permits???[/i] It annoys me to no end, because it makes the government look like the bad guy when they are legally obligated to stop the parade. Although I am uninformed about this topic and they may in fact have tried to get a permit but were wrongfully denied.[/QUOTE] Meanwhile, Neo-Nazis should be allowed to call to violence against gays.

[QUOTE=Stopper;30127459]I changed my views, Facepunch. I no longed bear any hatred for anyone who has a different sexuality. I changed. But I still can't fucking stand people who [I]parade[/I] with something that distinguishes them.[/QUOTE] Well most Gay pride parades got it's fair share of Leather Strap fetish. But at least it's to open the mind of people, though it think it just piss most people off like you and me. Why the hell do they need to be such attention whores seriously. Sometime i enjoy watching it to, perhaps i also got leather strap fetish.

[QUOTE=Brage Nyman;30128180]Why the hell do they need to be such attention whores seriously.[/quOTE] ugh

[QUOTE=Brage Nyman;30128180]perhaps i also got leather strap fetish.[/QUOTE] Do people insult, attack, and even murder people who have a leather fetish? Do they get denied jobs, get shunned from communities, get disowned by their families for it?

I thought Russians were supposed to vehemently hate Nazis. What's next, the British and French being best buds? Israel and Palestine being even acquaintances!? The world's going crazy.

[QUOTE=Stopper;30127459]I changed my views, Facepunch. I no longed bear any hatred for anyone who has a different sexuality. I changed. [/QUOTE] "but don't get me started on the gypsies hah oh wow"

[QUOTE=Brage Nyman;30128180]Why the hell do they need to be such attention whores seriously.[/QUOTE] You are an idiot, kind sir. [editline]30th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=SwissArmyKnife;30128557]I thought Russians were supposed to vehemently hate Nazis.[/QUOTE] There are a hell of a lot of russian neo-nazis. A minority of them actually murder foreigners, gays and tourists.

i posted the other thread where the police beat the crap out of the homos in russia i think last year. every year the homos get beaten by the russians. [editline]29th May 2011[/editline] seems like it's common over there.

[QUOTE=MenteR;30130374]i posted the other thread where the police beat the crap out of the homos in russia i think last year. every year the homos get beaten by the russians. [editline]29th May 2011[/editline] seems like it's common over there.[/QUOTE] I hope you realise that homo is an offensive word

[QUOTE=SwissArmyKnife;30128557]I thought Russians were supposed to vehemently hate Nazis. What's next, the British and French being best buds? Israel and Palestine being even acquaintances!? The world's going crazy.[/QUOTE] The [i]Soviets[/i] hated Nazis. The Russian Federation is similar to the Soviet Union in many ways, but that isn't one of them. And Britain and France really don't hate each other at all. They used to, but then everybody else in Europe hated eachother as well. Hell, The United States hated Britain all the way up until McKinley's presidency.

[QUOTE=Stopper;30127459]I changed my views, Facepunch. I no longed bear any hatred for anyone who has a different sexuality. I changed. But I still can't fucking stand people who [I]parade[/I] with something that distinguishes them.[/QUOTE] We can't marry in most parts of the world, you idiot. It's gay pride as opposed to gay, silent shame. (I modified that last part from a quote from another user, I think it was Zeke or JDK.)

[QUOTE=thisispain;30129043]"but don't get me started on the gypsies hah oh wow"[/QUOTE] Hey, hey. I'm not saying that [I]all [/I]gypsies will try and put a curse on you, I'm just saying it seems to happen a lot.

[QUOTE=Stopper;30127459]I changed my views, Facepunch. I no longed bear any hatred for anyone who has a different sexuality. I changed. But I still can't fucking stand people who [I]parade[/I] with something that distinguishes them.[/QUOTE] "I'm not homophobic, but..."

I think pride parades are stupid and if you really feel the need to "come out" about your sexuality you're just an attention whore If you're gay, cool, no need to fucking tell your entire goddamn family and ruin a good christmas Just go out and fuck dudes and if they ask tell the truth I mean you're allowed to feel however you want about your sexuality but the closest straight people have to a pride parade is mardi gras [editline]30th May 2011[/editline] And you guys do realize this was all permit violation? The pride parade didn't even attemp to get a permit. The neo nazis did. The end. [editline]31 May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=yawmwen;30134297]coming out is an important part of a homosexual's life ya know a lot of homosexuals live in the closet for a long time pretending to be straight or denying their homosexuality coming out is their opportunity to finally tell their family and friends who they truly are as a person, its admitting to something fundamental about you that you were hiding for so long [editline]30th May 2011[/editline] actually this sort of shit is important, especially when its so hated it raises tolerance and acceptance because suddenly these gay guys are marching around and theres nothing anyone can do about it because they will just keep going out and doing it so while it can cause violence or tensions in the short term, in the long term after prolonged exposure people are simply going to get used to it and realize it isnt so fucking bad[/QUOTE] The point is people shouldn't have to pretend to be straight. If people stopped being assholes then gays would have no need to 'come out'. [editline]30th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=staticman;30133708]Hmmm, which group actively calls for violence/death against another group again?[/QUOTE] What they believe isn't the point, saying that makes you seem like a massive hypocrite. You realize this wasn't because they were gay, right? This was because they didn't get a permit. You need a permit to host a parade there.

That's harsh.

It's stupid that if this happened to a neo-nazi or political rally noone would've batted an eye

[QUOTE=Tacosheller;30133516]It's stupid that if this happened to a neo-nazi or political rally noone would've batted an eye[/QUOTE] Hmmm, which group actively calls for violence/death against another group again?

[QUOTE=staticman;30133708]Hmmm, which group actively calls for violence/death against another group again?[/QUOTE] 'Concerned' White people. [editline]30th May 2011[/editline] Honestly read history, it's all there.

[QUOTE=BagMinge104;30131468]We can't marry in most parts of the world, you idiot. It's gay pride as opposed to gay, silent shame. (I modified that last part from a quote from another user, I think it was Zeke or JDK.)[/QUOTE] I think I stole it from Rusty originally [editline]30th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Tacosheller;30133375]I think pride parades are stupid and if you really feel the need to "come out" about your sexuality you're just an attention whore If you're gay, cool, no need to fucking tell your entire goddamn family and ruin a good christmas[/QUOTE] Wow that's horrible I'd be offended but I can't be offended very easily by people born after 1996

And this is a surprise? Russia is a shit place to live if you're not a rich oligarch who is protected from rival assassination attempts. [editline]30th May 2011[/editline] [quote]Although homosexuality was decriminalized in post-Soviet Russia, anti-gay sentiment is high and Russian authorities justify the bans on the grounds of trying to prevent fights.[/quote] And this is correct, it's a bloody suicide to try to make a gay pride event in any of the Eastern European countries. Much better just to wait a few years until the newer generation of atheists becomes the majority.