Though it's practically impossible, I'd love to see the reaction of a large publisher if barely anyone pre-ordered.
[QUOTE=voltlight;48633719]Though it's practically impossible, I'd love to see the reaction of a large publisher if barely anyone pre-ordered.[/QUOTE]
Fire everyone and everything. Then hitting the big shiny self destruct button on the CEO's desk.
[QUOTE=Solo Wing;48633746]Fire everyone and everything. Then hitting the big shiny self destruct button on the CEO's desk.[/QUOTE]
You forgot "release a statement that blames it all on pirates"
[QUOTE=Damjen;48634579]You forgot "release a statement that blames it all on pirates"[/QUOTE]
"Oh yeah! It's all because of them damned pirates on PC."
Not hard to see really. Forcing people to pay 60 bones for an incomplete product versus getting the complete product for free. It's not "choosing" to augment your pre order, you're "choosing"what you DONT want included.
[QUOTE=Solo Wing;48634611]"Oh yeah! It's all because of them damned pirates on PC."
Not hard to see really. Forcing people to pay 60 bones for an incomplete product versus getting the complete product for free. It's not "choosing" to augment your pre order, you're "choosing"what you DONT want included.[/QUOTE]
Game prices are too high, 60 euros is still too much for pretty much anyone, if companies released good games for reasonable prices (30-40€) with all the content and all expansions were big things, like world of warcraft's or the witcher 3's everyone would be happy and a lot of people would buy the game.
[QUOTE=eirexe;48634676]Game prices are too high, 60 euros is still too much for pretty much anyone, if companies released good games for reasonable prices (30-40€) with all the content and all expansions were big things, like world of warcraft's or the witcher 3's everyone would be happy and a lot of people would buy the game.[/QUOTE]
I just picked up BF4 the other day because I saw it really cheap for 360. What the hell happened to battlefield? Aside from being subpar gameplay wise, you're constantly being shook down for more money for 'battlefield premium' and arse dlc. They even replace the 'join game' button with 'buy dlc' so if you dont pay attention to prompt in the corner of the screen, you find yourself in front of a "Confirm Purchase?" dialogue box.
I would gladly buy DLC or micro-transactions for a game (especially when I bought into it late) , but there's a difference between "aw hey man I worked really hard on this could you maybe throw me a little extra" and "fuck you give me more money"
[QUOTE=MedicWine;48636304]I just picked up BF4 the other day because I saw it really cheap for 360. What the hell happened to battlefield? Aside from being subpar gameplay wise, you're constantly being shook down for more money for 'battlefield premium' and arse dlc. They even replace the 'join game' button with 'buy dlc' so if you dont pay attention to prompt in the corner of the screen, you find yourself in front of a "Confirm Purchase?" dialogue box.
I would gladly buy DLC or micro-transactions for a game, but there's a difference between "aw hey man I worked really hard on this could you maybe throw me a little extra" and "fuck you give me more money"[/QUOTE]
Videogames are becoming more and more expensive over the time, base games a few months after release might be cheap, but when you realise you bought half of the game it becomes a bad thing.
I think I made mistake in my previous comment's wording, I honestly like expansions like WoW's or the the witcher 3 one they are really worth the price.
The thing about AAA games becoming more expensive is that for us PC gamers, it's not really an issue because if you don't feel like putting down 60 bucks for the newest Assassins Creedm you can just get like 10 solid indie games for the same amount of money.
I'm wondering if the direction the gaming industry is going in will mean the fall of many AAA publishers, considering A: how going indie is becoming increasingly more of a viable options with platforms like Steam and the downfall of retail stores in favour of digital distribution and B: large marketing campaigns becoming less effective, and more and more companies are starting to make use of youtube, twitch and social medias to market their games at a much cheaper expense.
[QUOTE=eirexe;48634676]Game prices are too high, 60 euros is still too much for pretty much anyone, if companies released good games for reasonable prices (30-40€) with all the content and all expansions were big things, like world of warcraft's or the witcher 3's everyone would be happy and a lot of people would buy the game.[/QUOTE]
Some have been trying to get away with charging Brits more than £40 for pre-orders and new releases, which is making us pay more for games than anyone else. Which is honestly a bullshit tactic thats spawned out of nothing but greed. Fallout 4's steam page was a good example, but it seems they've listened to the complaints and corrected the price.
With the exception to CE's that contain physical items you might want, what is the fucking point of pre-ordering. PLEASE tell me.
There isn't one. EVERYONE knows there isn't one, even the publishers and game developers. That's why they have to try and put some extra (Cut) content to spice up the deal, because there's no fucking reason to put $60 up front months before launch for something that there will be infinite copies of. None. On top of this you have dishonest and staged 'demos' of the game which turn out to be bait and switches more and more often, or CGI that mean nothing. A CGI Trailer for a game doesn't. Mean. SHIT. It isn't representative of the game at all in any way. Then there's also review embargoes that get slapped on the games until post launch. And in the case of Nintendo they'll even take down youtube videos of the games
The industry is as dishonest as it gets, time and time again these companies show us, and time and time again people say sure here's my $60 for your game next quarter. Fucking idiots
I wish they brought back physical items like figures and posters and such for pre-order bonuses instead of an exclusive skin this or an exclusive mission that
[QUOTE=Fapplejack;48637735]I wish they brought back physical items like figures and posters and such for pre-order bonuses instead of an exclusive skin this or an exclusive mission that[/QUOTE]
Atlus does this, and it's pretty great.
Soundtrack, concept art, a keychain or something small, they are all nice pre-order stuff.
I want Day One editions to go away, they ruin the box art.
[QUOTE=Solo Wing;48634611]Forcing people to pay [I]60 bones[/I] for an incomplete product versus getting the complete product for free.[/QUOTE]
So they're literally charging an arm and a leg now?
I miss the days when I didn't feel like AAA companies stared at me like some source of income waiting to be cracked open and bled dry.
It is kind of hard to say now, I mean of course never pre-order games from untrustworthy companies like EA or Ubisoft but the whole fiasco with Arkham was kind of left field.
Pretty much what I've gone off of: If they aint offering any coolshit [B]physical[/B] goodies, there's no reason to.
[editline]8th September 2015[/editline]
If you're a dev and you're making the decision to have digital content exclusive to pre-orderers only like say: "Get these bonus character missions only if you pre-order!" fuck off. That's the completely wrong way to go about it.
[QUOTE=General J;48639104]It is kind of hard to say now, I mean of course never pre-order games from untrustworthy companies like EA or Ubisoft but the whole fiasco with Arkham was kind of left field.
Pretty much what I've gone off of: If they aint offering any coolshit [B]physical[/B] goodies, there's no reason to.
[editline]8th September 2015[/editline]
If you're a dev and you're making the decision to have digital content exclusive to pre-orderers only like say: "Get these bonus character missions only if you pre-order!" fuck off. That's the completely wrong way to go about it.[/QUOTE]
There's plenty of reason to pre-order a game for non-physical goodies too, I don't see what the difference is except that physical goodies are not extracted from the game itself.
i haven't preordered any games for several years now, and i dont regret a single moment of it
there are some early alphas that i did buy into that failed, which is also a cancer on the industry though
[QUOTE=aznz888;48639263]i haven't preordered any games for several years now, and i dont regret a single moment of it
there are some early alphas that i did buy into that failed, which is also a cancer on the industry though[/QUOTE]
Same here.
[sp]God dangit Towns!![/sp]
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;48639136]There's plenty of reason to pre-order a game for non-physical goodies too, I don't see what the difference is except that physical goodies are not extracted from the game itself.[/QUOTE]
With physical bonuses the devs can't say "Hey guys let's just take this new feature we added and instead of just having it in the game normally use it to increase sales by hiding it behind a pre-order wall."
[QUOTE=Fapplejack;48639397]With physical bonuses the devs can't say "Hey guys let's just take this new feature we added and instead of just having it in the game normally use it to increase sales by hiding it behind a pre-order wall."[/QUOTE]
Agreed, but I misread and thought he was saying "If they aint offering any coolshit physical goodies, there's no reason to." as a general rule, but he meant as a rule he himself follows which I can't argue with.
[QUOTE=Fapplejack;48637735]I wish they brought back physical items like figures and posters and such for pre-order bonuses instead of an exclusive skin this or an exclusive mission that[/QUOTE]
Fromsoftware still does this with the Soul Series and Bloodborne. I think it's a European exclusive, but preordering Bloodborne would net you a soundtrack CD, a notebook, an artbook, tins, a summoning bell replica, and a fucking [I]quill set.[/I] US just gets a Messenger skin and a digital OST voucher. WTF, Sony?!
Europe:
[IMG]http://static2.gamespot.com/uploads/scale_super/1535/15354745/2758252-8178163287-15803.jpg[/IMG]
US:
[T]http://cdn4.gamepur.com/images/feature/bloodborne-fedora-messenger-skin-screenshot.jpg[/T]
[QUOTE=maddogsamurai;48639474]Fromsoftware still does this with the Soul Series and Bloodborne. I think it's a European exclusive, but preordering Bloodborne would net you a soundtrack CD, a notebook, an artbook, tins, a summoning bell replica, and a fucking [I]quill set.[/I] US just gets a Messenger skin and a digital OST voucher. WTF, Sony?!
Europe:
[IMG]http://static2.gamespot.com/uploads/scale_super/1535/15354745/2758252-8178163287-15803.jpg[/IMG]
US:
[T]http://cdn4.gamepur.com/images/feature/bloodborne-fedora-messenger-skin-screenshot.jpg[/T][/QUOTE]
I thought that was a collectors edition, not just a pre-order bonus.
I only pre-order games that look promising and are made by developers i know of. It's been going so far pretty good. And yea Deus ex has just become a milking cow for square enix. Sort of like battlefield is for EA.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;48636587]The thing about AAA games becoming more expensive is that for us PC gamers, it's not really an issue because if you don't feel like putting down 60 bucks for the newest Assassins Creedm you can just get like 10 solid indie games for the same amount of money.
I'm wondering if the direction the gaming industry is going in will mean the fall of many AAA publishers, considering A: how going indie is becoming increasingly more of a viable options with platforms like Steam and the downfall of retail stores in favour of digital distribution and B: large marketing campaigns becoming less effective, and more and more companies are starting to make use of youtube, twitch and social medias to market their games at a much cheaper expense.[/QUOTE]
I am noticing alot more games ( exp Mad max ) was Steam only for PC and Metal Gear TPP as well ( although I wish TPP was in retail as well so I buy from the USa because there asking 75 quid here for it. )
[QUOTE=ripsipiirakk;48640297][B]I only pre-order games that look promising and are made by developers i know of[/B]. It's been going so far pretty good. And yea Deus ex has just become a milking cow for square enix. Sort of like battlefield is for EA.[/QUOTE]
Mass Effect 3.
Batman: Arkham Knight.
Destiny.
Aliens: Colonial Marines.
And that's just the first four games that came to my mind fiting this criterion.
I only preorder from developers I trust. If it fucks up, thats on me, and I won't make that mistake again.
[QUOTE=Naught;48640828]I only preorder from developers I trust. If it fucks up, thats on me, and I won't make that mistake again.[/QUOTE]
That's why my only two biggest pre-orders were for Bioshock Infinite, and maybe Fallout 4 (if I can run it on my computer), because I trust the devs to make a quality product, and maybe throw in some awesome swag.
Pre-Order Swag is also important, would you rather have something like this?
[t]http://www.thesixthaxis.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/1014183101.jpg[/t]
A replica of the maguffin from the game's main plot, poker chips from the ingame casinos, a deck of cards with the characters from the game within, AND A FREE GRAPHIC NOVEL that serves as the prelude to the main plot of the game?
Or some scruffy ingame items that let you ignore the learning curve?
Personally I'm done with "pre-order swag". I don't want plastic figurines or graphic novels or steelbook cases or posters or any of that shit. I want the game.
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