Seattle bus ads protesting US aid to Israel draw ire of Anti-Defamation League - Polidicks

[url]http://www.king5.com/news/local/Israeli-War-Crimes-signs-to-go-on-Metro-buses-112108154.html[/url] [release][img]http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/library/israel_bus_sign.jpg[/img] SEATTLE – "Israeli War Crimes," the enormous advertisement reads. "Your tax dollars at work." To the right of the image is a group of children -- one little boy stares out at the viewer, the others gawk at a demolished building, all rebar and crumbled concrete. It's an ad you'll be seeing soon on a handful of Metro buses in downtown Seattle. A group calling itself the Seattle Mideast Awareness Campaign has paid King County $1,794 so that 12 buses will carry that message around town, starting two days after Christmas. That's December 27: the two-year anniversary of Israeli attacks on Gaza, aimed at stopping rocket attacks and weapons smuggling. Ed Mast, a Seattle man who is a spokesperson for the group, says it’s not meant to be an anti-Israel message, but a message designed to generate discussion and awareness. "I wouldn't say it's an anti-Israel message any more than any complaint about a country is anti-that country. We would like Israel to stop violating human rights. We would like Israel to give equal rights to its Palestinian citizens and its Palestinian subjects who live under occupation," said Mast. At the Pacific Northwest office of the Anti-Defamation League, the ad campaign is seen quite a bit differently. "We're dismayed," says Community Director Hilary Bernstein, who calls the bus-born advertisement grotesquely one-sided. "Citizens young and old will be seeing this sort of propaganda, this very one-sided distortion. It's unfortunate." So, is the side of a public bus the right place for this kind of attack? Are the issues that regularly inflame one of the most flammable hot-spots in the world appropriate fare for people strolling the sidewalks of Seattle? As far as King County is concerned, it's not really up to them what appears on the side of their buses, as long as it fits specific guidelines regarding: Pornography Alcohol Tobacco, and As long as the images and material used don't interfere with public safety or insult specific groups to the point that a riot could be incited, vandalism could occur or public safety could be threatened. King County Metro Transit spokesperson Linda Thielke acknowledges some people will be offended by the campaign, but that is not enough to prevent the rolling billboards from hitting the streets. "As a government, we are mindful of the provisions in state and federal constitutions to protect freedom of speech. So, we can't object these campaigns simply because they offend some people," said Thielke. The Seattle Mideast Awareness Campaign has targeted their advertising so that the buses carrying their message will run mostly on Seattle routes.[/release] How is anything about this anti-Jewish? The Anti-Defamation League was founded to counter early 20th century slander about Jews, which this is definitely not. You used to say someone who hated Jews was an anti-semite, but now an anti-semite is just somebody Jews hate.

Well you can hardly say that what Israel do is all well and dandy, they ain't no angels.

One-sided distortion? What the fuck? Since when is attempting to get the truth out about an oppressed group of people propaganda.

in the israel situation, both sides are equally shit

[QUOTE=Virtanen;26850651]in the israel situation, both sides are equally shit[/QUOTE] It's annoying that people are expected to pick sides. I don't support Hamas or the IDF, I support the palestinian civilians who suffer as a result of this warfare.

they're trying to take over the nation! muslim law!

Israel is full of evil nazis etc.

Israeli's claim they're being picked on because they're jewish but they're really just drawing it to themselves.

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;26850665]It's annoying that people are expected to pick sides. I don't support Hamas or the IDF, I support the palestinian civilians who suffer as a result of this warfare.[/QUOTE] I agree.

We need a holocaust of sorts against this whole fucking shenanigan. The Israeli government has got to go. And hamas does too.

[QUOTE=RayDark;26851598]We need a holocaust of sorts [/QUOTE] Stop right there.

[QUOTE=CertainDOOM;26851426]Israeli's claim they're being picked on because they're jewish but they're really just drawing it to themselves.[/QUOTE] The largest scale "it's because I'm Jewish, isn't it" defense ever

[QUOTE=RayDark;26851598][B]We need a holocaust[/B] of sorts against this whole fucking shenanigan. The Israeli government has got to go. And hamas does too.[/QUOTE] Don't you mean a purge? Besides, the Isreali conflict has been going on for decades now and I don't expect it to end anytime soon.

Israel should go back to Poland or wherever they're from.

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;26850665]It's annoying that people are expected to pick sides. I don't support Hamas or the IDF, I support the palestinian civilians who suffer as a result of this warfare.[/QUOTE] SAME BRO I Live in WA

From what I've learned about the situation, I have a feeling Israel is going to repeat the exact cause of their creation. The Holocaust. I could be wrong but it just seems like they're pushing everyone in the gaza strip into ghettos, which was the first step of Oppression.

There should be a serious restructuring of shit in israel. This is ridiculous.

[QUOTE=Prismatex;26850469] How is anything about this anti-Jewish? The Anti-Defamation League was founded to counter early 20th century slander about Jews, which this is definitely not. You used to say someone who hated Jews was an anti-semite, but now an anti-semite is just somebody Jews hate.[/QUOTE] The ADL is kind of a joke these days They publicly opposed the "ground zero mosque," what kind of civil rights organization does that

[QUOTE=RayDark;26851598]We need a holocaust of sorts[/QUOTE] Aren't you like Muslim too? I'm not a supporter of Israel, but I find that disturbing. Not to mention you made posts about how Israel should be destroyed before. [QUOTE=TH89;26857347]The ADL is kind of a joke these days They publicly opposed the "ground zero mosque," what kind of civil rights organization does that[/QUOTE] They're not a civil rights organization, but I get what you're saying

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;26856147]Israel should go back to Poland or wherever they're from.[/QUOTE] The Jews going back to "wherever they're from" is what started this whole mess.

[QUOTE=Sporkfire;26857553]They're not a civil rights organization, but I get what you're saying[/QUOTE] They claim to be: [quote=Wikipedia]Describing itself as "the nation's premier civil rights/human relations agency", the ADL states that it "fights anti-Semitism and all forms of bigotry, defends democratic ideals and protects civil rights for all"[/quote]

[QUOTE=Swilly;26856931]From what I've learned about the situation, I have a feeling Israel is going to repeat the exact cause of their creation. The Holocaust. I could be wrong but it just seems like they're pushing everyone in the gaza strip into ghettos, which was the first step of Oppression.[/QUOTE] Jesus christ on a stick, how many times do I need to say this? Israel was NOT created because of the holocaust. Zionism has existed long before the Nazis even came to power. Another thing is that the Nazis pushed the Jews into ghettos because of their race, while Israel is merely restricting the Palestinians' right to enter its borders, and not because of their race, there are over 1 million Arabs living peacefully in Israel, no harm was done to them, because they aren't taking part in an active conflict against Israel, and when some of them do, they get punished as well. This is a matter of self defense, not "we hate them all so we'll punish them all".

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;26858834]Jesus christ on a stick, how many times do I need to say this? Israel was NOT created because of the holocaust. Zionism has existed long before the Nazis even came to power. Another thing is that the Nazis pushed the Jews into ghettos because of their race, while Israel is merely restricting the Palestinians' right to enter its borders, and not because of their race, there are over 1 million Arabs living peacefully in Israel, no harm was done to them, because they aren't taking part in an active conflict against Israel, and when some of them do, they get punished as well. This is a matter of self defense, not "we hate them all so we'll punish them all".[/QUOTE] Israeli Arabs are widely discriminated against, though. Racism is absolutely rampant: [url]http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/poll-half-of-israeli-high-schoolers-oppose-equal-rights-for-arabs-1.264564[/url]

This is still defamation in my eyes. It portrays the Israelis as if all they do is bomb Palestinian civilians.

[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;26859446]This is still defamation in my eyes. It portrays the Israelis as if all they do is bomb Palestinian civilians.[/QUOTE] It's not defaming/libel if it's true.

[QUOTE=TH89;26858882]Israeli Arabs are widely discriminated against, though. Racism is absolutely rampant: [url]http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/poll-half-of-israeli-high-schoolers-oppose-equal-rights-for-arabs-1.264564[/url][/QUOTE] Yeah, the society is fucked, but there are next to no government-sanctioned racism. I'm saying next to none because there is a little discrimination, for example, Arabs can't server in the IDF even if they want to, but it's obviously reasonable given the current situation. There's also the thing where a certain amount of land (13% of Israel) isn't leased or sold to Arabs, but for the most part when an Arab citizen asks to buy or lease a land in that specific area, he is given permission. So no, there is nowhere near the racism that has existed in Nazi Germany 1933 and on. Keep in mind that in that year, the Nazi party got over 40% of the votes, while in Israel, Yisrael Beitenu which is the closest thing, got 13% of the votes, which is obviously still too much.

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;26859664]Yeah, the society is fucked, but there are next to no government-sanctioned racism. I'm saying next to none because there is a little discrimination, for example, Arabs can't server in the IDF even if they want to, but it's obviously reasonable given the current situation. There's also the thing where a certain amount of land (13% of Israel) isn't leased or sold to Arabs, but for the most part when an Arab citizen asks to buy or lease a land in that specific area, he is given permission. So no, there is nowhere near the racism that has existed in Nazi Germany 1933 and on. Keep in mind that in that year, the Nazi party got over 40% of the votes, while in Israel, Yisrael Beitenu which is the closest thing, got 13% of the votes, which is obviously still too much.[/QUOTE] Well yeah, I think holocaust comparisons are dumb too. But the idea of a "Jewish state" is inherently racist and any government that allows systematic racism to exist without taking steps to combat it is part and parcel to it as far as I'm concerned. [quote=Wikipedia]Many Arab citizens feel that the state, as well as society at large, not only actively limits them to second-class citizenship, but treats them as enemies, impacting their perception of the de jure versus de facto quality of their citizenship.[141] The joint document The Future Vision of the Palestinian Arabs in Israel, asserts: "Defining the Israeli State as a Jewish State and exploiting democracy in the service of its Jewishness excludes us, and creates tension between us and the nature and essence of the State." The document explains that by definition the "Jewish State" concept is based on ethnically preferential treatment towards Jews enshrined in immigration (the Law of Return) and land policy (the Jewish National Fund), and calls for the establishment of minority rights protections enforced by an independent anti-discrimination commission.[142][/quote] Although I think Arab citizens are allowed to serve in the IDF, just not conscripted.

The Anti Defamation League works to protect the rights of Jewish people everywhere who can't take days off because of Shomer Shabbas.

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;26858834]Jesus christ on a stick, how many times do I need to say this? Israel was NOT created because of the holocaust. Zionism has existed long before the Nazis even came to power. Another thing is that the Nazis pushed the Jews into ghettos because of their race, while Israel is merely restricting the Palestinians' right to enter its borders, and not because of their race, there are over 1 million Arabs living peacefully in Israel, no harm was done to them, because they aren't taking part in an active conflict against Israel, and when some of them do, they get punished as well. This is a matter of self defense, not "we hate them all so we'll punish them all".[/QUOTE] Giant fucking walls that do nothing but push people out of a country? And Look a Gaza and say that straight at my face again. They blockade it for attacks that never happen! They block anything that would give them an infrastructure.

What is this Anti-Defamation league anyway? It seems like they just popped out of the blue and are as bad as PETA. Oh, I saw the post one above mine, this whole institution seems very idiotic then. I have nothing against jews but common there isn't a freaking holocaust anymore.