IDF angry Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs used a draft dodger for a commercial promoting the IDF - Polidicks

[quote]The new commercial, launched by the Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs, promotes the country's advanced technology and features an appearance by the Israeli model at the end. IDF spokesman Brigadier General Yoav Mordechai drafted a letter to the Foreign Ministry on Sunday criticizing the decision to cast Refaeli in the ad because she never served in the Israeli army, a duty required by all Israeli women over the age of 18. "I wanted to direct your attention to the negative message this sends to Israeli society by the use of Bar Refaeli, who did not serve in the IDF, as an official representative of Israel in a campaign abroad," Mordechai wrote, according to The Jerusalem Post. "In recent years, the IDF has been trying a variety of methods to improve the value of military service and to combat draft evasion in order to preserve the moral dimension whereby the IDF is the people's army." This isn't the first time Refaeli has been targeted by the IDF. She became the subject of criticism in 2007, when she briefly married a family friend to dodge military service (Israeli law exempts married women from serving in the army). [img]http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02130/bar620_2130868b.jpg[/img][/quote] [url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/journalists/the-daily-beast/9947487/Model-Bar-Refaeli-in-trouble-with-Israeli-army.html?fb[/url]

Good on her, fuck mandatory service ed: Promoting the IDF or any military isn't cool though

[QUOTE=Lonestriper;40078309]Good on her, fuck mandatory service ed: Promoting the IDF or any military isn't cool though[/QUOTE] there is nothing wrong with the military. [editline]28th March 2013[/editline] i wont comment on the idf part, but there is nothing wrong with the military or serving in one.

[QUOTE=W0w00t;40078628]there is nothing wrong with the military.[/QUOTE] There are many things wrong with the military which are entirely out the hands of the soldiers who serve in the army, I have no gripes with them. I do however have a gripe with promoting the military as a 'peoples army' and using advertising tactics to encourage people to join.

[QUOTE=Lonestriper;40078699]I do however have a gripe with promoting the military as a 'peoples army' and using advertising tactics to encourage people to join.[/QUOTE] Why exactly? It's the army of the country, it's the army of the people. What's wrong with promoting it?

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;40078738]Why exactly? It's the army of the country, it's the army of the people. What's wrong with promoting it?[/QUOTE] one could say it promotes a culture of militarism. especially when you consider the history of israel

How is mandatory service still a thing

[QUOTE=Ericson666;40079019]How is mandatory service still a thing[/QUOTE] Norway, Austria, Switzerland, Finland and Denmark all have conscription too. It's not localized to just places like Israel/Russia.

[QUOTE=Lonestriper;40078699]There are many things wrong with the military which are entirely out the hands of the soldiers who serve in the army, I have no gripes with them. I do however have a gripe with promoting the military as a 'peoples army' and using advertising tactics to encourage people to join.[/QUOTE] This is a perfectly reasonable post but unfortunately by tomorrow it'll already be buried in a mountain of dumb ratings because, evidently, people don't like it when you advocate taking a cautious stance towards large institutions created for killing and destruction. and yeh I know the military sometimes does benevolent things like administer aid and build shit but fuck off because that's not its primary purpose and it certainly hasn't been the primary purpose of the US military throughout history [editline].[/editline] this is also coming from a person who has made numerous G-Mod pictures glorifying war

i personally would fine with mandatory military service, however, does anyone know if you see combat?

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;40079032]Norway, Austria, Switzerland, Finland and Denmark all have conscription too. It's not localized to just places like Israel/Russia.[/QUOTE] Singapore too,although being the small island it is,I have no idea why we need such a large amount of soldiers to defend it.

I'd be fine if you had to do service in a disaster recovery/domestic improvement organization, but forced military service can fuck off

[QUOTE=Tarver;40079236]Singapore too,although being the small island it is,I have no idea why we need such a large amount of soldiers to defend it.[/QUOTE] Because it's such a small island and could easily be taken over. Mandatory service is necessary for countries where they don't have enough manpower to support a volunteer military, usually being small countries like Israel and Singapore, as you say.

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;40078738]Why exactly? It's the army of the country, it's the army of the people. What's wrong with promoting it?[/QUOTE] Its utilized in oppressing millions.

[QUOTE=laserguided;40079305]Its utilized in oppressing millions.[/QUOTE] I won't deny that, but it is still the army of the country, and they are still the people of the country, thus it is still their army.

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;40079345]I won't deny that, but it is still the army of the country, and they are still the people of the country, thus it is still their army.[/QUOTE] no its the governments army thank you very much

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;40079345]I won't deny that, but it is still the army of the country, and they are still the people of the country, thus it is still their army.[/QUOTE] nobody called me and asked if i wanted to invade iraq or afghanistan so as far as i'm concerned it definitely isn't my army

[QUOTE=thisispain;40079355]no its the government[b]'[/b]s army thank you very much[/QUOTE] Israel is (supposed to be) run by a democratic government, thus a government of the people, anything of the government is consequently of the people. If anything mandatory service ensures the army is of the people because it ensures the army is run by the people.

the patriotic / propagandized logic that links a human being living in a country's borders to anything that country claims is "of the people" is dumb as hell nothing is "of" anyone that doesn't endorse or participate in it

[QUOTE=W0w00t;40078628]there is nothing wrong with the military. [editline]28th March 2013[/editline] i wont comment on the idf part, but there is nothing wrong with the military or serving in one.[/QUOTE] Nothing wrong with the military, but everything wrong with forcing people to serve in it.

I just don't understand how anyone can defend mandatory military service. We are born where ever we are by complete chance. We didn't chose to be who we are or where we are, so why should anybody be [I]forced[/I] into service and to potentially fight and die for somewhere that they ended up in through no choice of their own?

Conscripts should only be used to defend ones own country imo. Contract soldiers are the people who should be sent to other countries, and are. It's not like its much of a problem today, there haven't been any big conventional wars in a while.

I wouldn't mind participating in mandatory military service if it was explicitly for homeland defense. Something like Sweden or Norway. It's a lot more laid back there, because you're doing your duty for your country, but you don't have a fear of getting shipped off to middle-of-bum-fuck-nowhere-astan and risk getting blown up by some IED.

[QUOTE=Ericson666;40079019]How is mandatory service still a thing[/QUOTE] Because Israel is small as fuck, and there's threats everywhere. [editline]29th March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Tarver;40079236]Singapore too,although being the small island it is,I have no idea why we need such a large amount of soldiers to defend it.[/QUOTE] Yeah, there's mandatory military service here also, lasts 2 years. Once I finish my studies I'll have to go there. But its kind of a waste of time because its 2 years. Plus we have no enemies. But then on the plus side you get career opportunities and learn discipline. But I still think its a waste of time because afterwards you have to be a reservist for 10 more years.

[QUOTE=thisispain;40079355]no its the governments army thank you very much[/QUOTE] A bunch of unregulated militias ought to be the people's army, then.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;40079032]Norway, Austria, Switzerland, Finland and Denmark all have conscription too. It's not localized to just places like Israel/Russia.[/QUOTE] Not that Norway's is particularly... mandatory though :v: "Are you motivated to serve in the Norwegian army?" "Yes" <- possible conscription. "No" <- no conscription.

I'm kind of jealous of people who managed to get out of the IDF early. I still have 1 year and 10 months left of my 3 year service and it feels like the biggest waste of my life so far.

Think of this from our point of view: drafting has been mandatory since forever(not to everyone but I do not want to expand on this), and you'll only find a [B]very[/B] low % of the women in actual infantry squads, most women (and generally most people) do not get drafted to anything that threatens their own life, unless they have a high enough profile and their physical skills stand out of their others during the sorting. Bar Refaeli dodged this mandatory draft by getting married and instantly getting a divorce,just to continue her own modelling career, which is a low thing to do, everyone gives their part,wether if its on the front lines or volunteering in an animal shelter if you are incapable, why is she so special? but forget that for a second, lets say what she did was normal, because realistically there are other people who dodge draft, why the heck would she be regarded as a national symbol enough for promoting(among others) the thing she avoided in such a disgusting manner? If I was in their place I would just leave her be and sure as hell I wouldn't acknowledge her as a representive.

[QUOTE=ScreamingGerbil;40080657]I'm kind of jealous of people who managed to get out of the IDF early. I still have 1 year and 10 months left of my 3 year service and it feels like the biggest waste of my life so far.[/QUOTE] Anything you learned?

[QUOTE=shian;40081232]Anything you learned?[/QUOTE] Not much to be honest. Though I did develop a better work ethic (hell, I got a commendation for my work in military logistics) and I met some cool people. I do agree with ducksink that Rafaeli kind of pulled a dick move especially since it's much easier for women to do social service instead of military service (which I would have preferred to do).