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[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-30443919[/url]
[quote]Talks have continued well past the official close of business on the final day of a key UN climate summit in Peru aimed at advancing a new global treaty.
The negotiators in the capital, Lima, are tasked with preparing a text to serve as the basis for a new compact to be signed in Paris next year.
Long-running divisions between rich and poor countries are hampering progress.
US Secretary of State John Kerry has warned that the world is "still on a course leading to tragedy".
He said a deal was "not an option - an urgent necessity".[/quote]
At the moment I'm hard pressed to decide who's doing the most damage to stopping climate change; coal power-stations spewing out unfathomable amounts of CO2 from the outside or Greenpeace and their vehement anti-nuclear power stance from the inside.
Thankfully developing/developed countries like China are moving away from coal to nuclear, but they are still a big offender.
One can definitely notice the climate shifts these days.
The Netherlands has a sea-climate, which includes cold winters and mild summers. However, this time it has taken a turn. Temperatures averaged near 25c, and 32c for a full week if I remember right. Now technically it should be winter here, but it feels like it's still Autumn. Not to mention we haven't seen snow for over two years now.
[QUOTE=download;46704313]At the moment I'm hard pressed to decide who's doing the most damage to stopping climate change; coal power-stations spewing out unfathomable amounts of CO2 from the outside or Greenpeace and their vehement anti-nuclear power stance from the inside.[/QUOTE]
probably the coal power stations
[QUOTE=Merijnwitje;46704350]One can definitely notice the climate shifts these days.
The Netherlands has a sea-climate, which includes cold winters and mild summers. However, this time it has taken a turn. Temperatures averaged near 25c, and 32c for a full week if I remember right. Now technically it should be winter here, but it feels like it's still Autumn. Not to mention we haven't seen snow for over two years now.[/QUOTE]
Temperature increases that high aren't just caused by global warming or climate change, there's a large amount of factors that determine the short term climate, when speaking about climate change it's the long term change that's important.
Besides, I'm not sure where you live, but I've sure as hell seen snow in the last 2 years.
[editline]13th December 2014[/editline]
Don't take me wrong, Climate Change is definitely import and has a huge impact, but 1 hot summer isn't representative of that.
There hasn't been any sight of the sun in Romania (except for some parts) for literally a month. Ain't even pollution, it's simply cloudy all the time here.
Never happened in my life, this is fucking weird.
[QUOTE=download;46704313]At the moment I'm hard pressed to decide who's doing the most damage to stopping climate change; coal power-stations spewing out unfathomable amounts of CO2 from the outside or Greenpeace and their vehement anti-nuclear power stance from the inside.[/QUOTE]
Both should be dealt with like the cancers they are.
Really this is byond the point where we can afford to sit down and have a nice wee chat over tea and fucking scones. For the past 10 years we've been told consistently by every reputable source that we are on track to hit the worst climate change scenarios, then they found out recently that weather satellites might have been underestimating the temperature readings. We're seeing increased ocean acidification. We're still hooked on coal and gas.
We're desperately running out of time and these fuckers are having "heated debates" and dragging their fucking bullshit into this:
[quote]Long-running divisions between rich and poor countries are hampering progress.
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Bo fucking hoo, go get a fucking kleenex and wipe away the tears, this is for the fate of our species boys and girls let's not fucking dawdle.
[QUOTE=Swineflu;46704596]There hasn't been any sight of the sun in Romania (except for some parts) for literally a month. Ain't even pollution, it's simply cloudy all the time here.
Never happened in my life, this is fucking weird.[/QUOTE]
Sounds like Romania has become Seattle.
nigga you people better fix this shit the snow is supposed to be knee deep here but right now it's either sunny and cold or horribly gray
corporate interests be damned, anyone working against those trying to mitigate climate change should be hanged as traitors to the human race
[QUOTE=Merijnwitje;46704350]One can definitely notice the climate shifts these days.
The Netherlands has a sea-climate, which includes cold winters and mild summers. However, this time it has taken a turn. Temperatures averaged near 25c, and 32c for a full week if I remember right. Now technically it should be winter here, but it feels like it's still Autumn. Not to mention we haven't seen snow for over two years now.[/QUOTE]
As a child I remember snow during christmas. Nowadays November and December feel like autumn. Whereas January and February are colder every year.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46706727]And where are the poor countries getting the money to upgrade their grids? Hmm? "oh boo hoo, those poor countries should stop using coal and just go without power". That's literally what you're saying. You're literally saying "hey countries that are too poor to upgrade the grid, i'ma need you to descend back into the 1700's, but it's for the greater good guys, take one for the team!".[/QUOTE]
At this point, going nuclear really is the only way to solve things in a medium-to-long term. We can't rely on hydropower anymore, what's with the temperature changes fucking up the reliability of rain.
To go nuclear, however, we got to destroy decades of misinformation and nuclear fear. Which is a pretty fucking big challenge on its own.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46706727]And where are the poor countries getting the money to upgrade their grids? Hmm? "oh boo hoo, those poor countries should stop using coal and just go without power". That's literally what you're saying. You're literally saying "hey countries that are too poor to upgrade the grid, i'ma need you to descend back into the 1700's, but it's for the greater good guys, take one for the team!".[/QUOTE]
Nuclear yo.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;46706931]Where are poor countries going to get nuclear fuel, technicians, and how are they going to finance building the plant? Who's going to build it? Not many countries have money just lying around to piss over to the poor countries.
How are they going to finance refueling a reactor when the time comes? How are they going to pay the wages of the technicians? They're poor, nuclear isn't the magical end all be all. There are significant hurtles to overcome for poor countries to all convert to nuclear energy.[/QUOTE]
it is going to take a combined effort from all countries in order to make the switch over to nuclear, which sadly won't happen. at the least, though, if the top 3 energy consuming countries switched to all renewable and nuclear, that would be a huge success
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;46706952]it is going to take a combined effort from all countries in order to make the switch over to nuclear, which sadly won't happen. at the least, though, if the top 3 energy consuming countries switched to all renewable and nuclear, that would be a huge success[/QUOTE]
well, china at least likely will, since they give no fucks about anti-nuclear sentiment(or any other sentiment tbh :v:), they're also into thorium research as well(and so is india for that matter, since they have vast reserves).
They done reached an agreement
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-30468048[/url]
This text will be the framework for next year's summit, which is the big one where a proper full new climate change strategy has to be agreed. All the recent summits have been building up and preparing for 2015.
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;46707991]well, china at least likely will, since they give no fucks about anti-nuclear sentiment(or any other sentiment tbh :v:), they're also into thorium research as well(and so is india for that matter, since they have vast reserves).[/QUOTE]
We like Thorium reactors and would rather have those (France has been rubbing their hands in glee and hon-hon-hon'ing it up since it's a chance for them to sell us nuclear tech).
However, it has run into some problems - naturally the land it has to be built on will be near or on agricultural lands, meaning farmers don't want this shit in their backyards (Bhopal Gas Tragedy in the eighties taught everyone the danger of industrial accidents and the death toll of a Chernobyl style event in India with it's population density would be bad). A lot of environmental organisations have also helped stir violent protests near the site of some of the proposed nuclear plant sites.
So far, it looks like at least for the foreseeable future, nuclear energy would help us immensely until we can get our solar plants in Rajasthan and Gujarat up and supplying most of the national grid.
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