Russian soldiers are coming home in coffins, and Moscow is intimidating anyone who asks why
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[url]http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/12/us-ukraine-crisis-russians-special-repor-idUSKBN0H70S920140912[/url]
[quote]Late last month Yelena Tumanova was handed the body of her son in a coffin at her home in Russia's Western Volga region. Anton Tumanov was 20 and a soldier serving in the Russian army in the North Caucasus region of Chechnya.
The documents Yelena Tumanova was given with the body raised more questions than they answered - questions about how her son died and about the Russian government's denials that its troops are in Ukraine. The records do not show Anton Tumanov's place of death, said human rights activists who spoke to his mother after she got in touch with them.
"Medical documents said there were shrapnel wounds, that is he died from a loss of blood, but how it happened and where were not indicated," said Sergei Krivenko, who heads a commission on military affairs on Russia's presidential human rights council.
Yelena Tumanova could not be reached for comment and Reuters was unable to review the documents. But more than 10 soldiers in her dead son's unit told Krivenko and Ella Polyakova, another member of the presidential human rights council, that Anton Tumanov died in an Aug. 13 battle near the Ukrainian town of Snizhnye. The battle, the soldiers said, killed more than 100 Russian soldiers serving in the 18th motorised rifle brigade of military unit 27777, which is based outside the Chechen capital of Grozny.
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Russian authorities have worked to systematically silence rights workers' complaints over soldiers' deaths, intimidating those who question the Kremlin's denials that its soldiers are in Ukraine.
Krivenko and Polyakova, who is also the head of an organization representing soldiers' mothers in St. Petersburg, filed a petition on Aug. 25 asking Russian investigators for an explanation for the deaths at Snizhnye.
So far they have heard nothing. But soon after the petition was filed to the Investigative Committee, a law enforcement body that answers only to President Vladimir Putin, Polyakova was told her organization, which has existed since the 1991 break-up of the Soviet Union, had been branded a 'foreign agent.'[/quote]
Russia really does seem like a shithole
"There are absolutely no Russian soldiers in Ukraine. They were killed, uh, fighting the [I]gays[/I]. Blame the gays."
[QUOTE=Saturn V;45960297]Russia really does seem like a shithole[/QUOTE]
Ya know, government wise it is. Living wise, it isnt awful but its still pretty bad. But the people there just seem content or just dont give a fuck about the quality of their lives. Idk what it is about them. They just seem to accept what they have and keep moving. It really is admirable.
[QUOTE=Squad1993;45960665]Ya know, government wise it is. Living wise, it isnt awful but its still pretty bad. But the people there just seem content or just dont give a fuck about the quality of their lives. Idk what it is about them. They just seem to accept what they have and keep moving. It really is admirable.[/QUOTE]
Russia has a long history of revolts, revolutions, and the common man getting screwed over
At some point or another they mostly seemed to have stopped giving a fuck about everything
[QUOTE=Squad1993;45960665]Ya know, government wise it is. Living wise, it isnt awful but its still pretty bad. But the people there just seem content or just dont give a fuck about the quality of their lives. Idk what it is about them. They just seem to accept what they have and keep moving. It really is admirable.[/QUOTE]
isn't that basically their history?
the minority/nobles in power can keep abusing the commons and the people there are just used to it?
[QUOTE=Matthew0505;45960813]If you toppled your government only to have it replaced with a mafia you'd be pretty discouraged from change too.[/QUOTE]
The stereotypical Russian attitude you guys are referring to was also mentioned in ww2, ww1, the crimean war and the Napoleonic wars.
[QUOTE=Last or First;45960330]"There are absolutely no Russian soldiers in Ukraine. They were killed, uh, fighting the [I]gays[/I]. Blame the gays."[/QUOTE]
Sorry my bad
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;45960812]isn't that basically their history?
the minority/nobles in power can keep abusing the commons and the people there are just used to it?[/QUOTE]
Isn't basically just history in general up until the 20th century though?
[QUOTE=Squad1993;45960665]Ya know, government wise it is. Living wise, it isnt awful but its still pretty bad. But the people there just seem content or just dont give a fuck about the quality of their lives. Idk what it is about them. They just seem to accept what they have and keep moving. It really is admirable.[/QUOTE]
Wouldn't really call apathy admirable, but sure. They've been through a lot, I suppose I might feel the same way.
He tripped over and died on his own shears, the government say.
ethnic russian minorities are being abused in heaven
Sad to see Russian troops dying because Putin can't control his ego.
In Putin's Russia, questions answer you.
In Russia, government investigates you.
[editline]12th September 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Wolf532;45961078]Sad to see Russian troops dying because Putin can't control his ego.[/QUOTE]
A former KGB Lt.Col who hunts bears with his shirt off have an ego? Surely not.
One by one, all will die then there will be peace.
[QUOTE=Soret;45961256]One by one, all will die then there will be peace.[/QUOTE]
Peace sounds kinda lame.
[QUOTE=Squad1993;45960665]Ya know, government wise it is. Living wise, it isnt awful but its still pretty bad. But the people there just seem content or just dont give a fuck about the quality of their lives. Idk what it is about them. They just seem to accept what they have and keep moving. It really is admirable.[/QUOTE]
It's like the opposite of the US
you got what you paid for russia.
[QUOTE=SexualShark;45962365]you got what you paid for russia.[/QUOTE]
They didn't pay for Crimea?
Well, as long as Russians keep returning in coffins I wouldn't care why or how.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;45960873]The stereotypical Russian attitude you guys are referring to was also mentioned in ww2, ww1, the crimean war and the Napoleonic wars.[/QUOTE]
Well they did topple their government only to have it replaced with a mafia multiple times.
To be honest with the military might of Russia and the actual number of Russians operating in Ukraine, everyone there are probably volunteers
[QUOTE=Squad1993;45960665]Ya know, government wise it is. Living wise, it isnt awful but its still pretty bad. But the people there just seem content or just dont give a fuck about the quality of their lives. Idk what it is about them. They just seem to accept what they have and keep moving. It really is admirable.[/QUOTE]
That's the Russian spirit. It's been this way long before communist revolution. They are extremely mentally resilient and their culture basically teaches them to not to expect much from their life.
It's part of why the sanction economic war is pointless against Russia. The public will rather suffer famine than accept defeat and submit to a foreign power.
I feel bad for the family sure, but I doubt they'd just send in any old G.I. Георгий
~automerge~
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;45964589]~automerge~[/QUOTE]
don't ~automerge~ me when you broke my automerge first, сука
[QUOTE=Jund;45964557]To be honest with the military might of Russia and the actual number of Russians operating in Ukraine, everyone there are probably volunteers[/QUOTE]
That is not the case. In the article, it says that Russia just sends squads of Russian soldiers to Ukraine to fight for the separatists regardless of their opinion of the whole case or where they are supposed to be stationed. And it aren't that experienced troops too by the look of it. Mostly young conscripts of between 19 and 24 years are being sent to Ukraine to capture land or die for Putin's dick stroking. Some of them got coerced into removing their military clothes for rebel garb just to be harder to be identified in case of being captured of killed. Not that the Russian government will ever admit that, despite the separatist's leader boasting how they got reinforced by 4000 Russian Army troops a few weeks back.
[QUOTE=JPsRcE;45961091]
A former KGB Lt.Col who hunts bears with his shirt off have an ego? Surely not.[/QUOTE]
can we please all stop riding Putin's stupidly blatant PR?
Maybe these are the missing soldiers who got lost and wandered into Ukraine? They didn't die fighting there, they died trying to find their way back, bears and the elements are very dangerous, lots of hikers go missing and die every year too you know.
Right Putin?
Right?
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