I'm looking for the absolute best and most color accurate monitor in the above budget range. I'm not literate on monitors, but I am on computers.I would enjoy something that has 120hZ refresh rate, but I'm not sure if that is color accurate.
I've been looking at the Dell U2410, but is it good for gaming? And does it have alot of ghosting?
color accuracy shouldn't be too much of a big deal unless you are doing some sort of paid graphic design, in which case the most accurate color is necessary.
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and refresh rate has nothing to do with color accuracy. The difference comes from the monitor being a TN Panel or an IPS monitor. (IPS monitors show accurate color to a really high viewing angle, IIRC 178 degrees)
[QUOTE=robmaister12;24933622]color accuracy shouldn't be too much of a big deal unless you are doing some sort of paid graphic design, in which case the most accurate color is necessary.
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and refresh rate has nothing to do with color accuracy. The difference comes from the monitor being a TN Panel or an IPS monitor. (IPS monitors show accurate color to a really high viewing angle, IIRC 178 degrees)[/QUOTE]
I'm actually trying to learn photoshop, because I'm going to be doing this as a part time job. I know I'm not going to learn in one year, but I plan to keep the monitor over a course of a few years. And is it good for gaming?
From what I've read, the U2410 has an issue with pink and green tinting, or at least some of them do. Try looking at other monitors from this list, then when you've picked one out, do some googling to make sure there are no problems with it:
[url]http://www.pchardwarehelp.com/guides/s-ips-lcd-list.php[/url]
What would you recommend? I can't really pick out those knowing I have no knowledge on monitors.
Samsung make some pretty great monitors. Their defiantly a brand you should look out for.
[QUOTE=poopsicle;24934259]Samsung make some pretty great monitors. Their defiantly a brand you should look out for.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure, but I don't think they make IPS LCD monitors.
[quote]The Dell has an H-IPS panel.
Which is good for:
Amazing black levels second to only the top S-PVA panels.
Almost perfect viewing angle
Accurate colors
Very rich colors.
2.03 billion possible colors.
Cons:
Slower response time
Expensive
TN panels on the other hand are good for:
Faster Response time
Cheap
Can be 120hz
Cheap...
Cons:
Dreadful viewing angle. Noticeable color shifts at corners of the screen even sitting dead in front of it.
256k colors, must use FRC and Dithering to mimic colors
Poor color saturation. Everything looks washed out.
Dithering makes colors and black levels look bad. Color gradients can look like bands of solid colors and very dark or very bright colors can look like pitch black or pure white.
The only reason why anyone should ever buy a TN panel is for 120hz or price. There is absolutely nothing good about TN panels otherwise. Response time isn't even that good. 6ms on the dell is next to nothing. Its like having 1 penny or having two pennies, not a lot at all. [/quote]
Is the response difference noticeable? And should I save for a 27" Apple Cinema Display?
I'm using this monitor here right now for $230. I also use Photoshop and draw quite a bit.
[url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236048&Tpk=asus%20vk246h[/url]
The colors are crisp and it even has a built in webcam if you want it!
Still plug and play, the webcam is separate and uses USB connection.
The view angle is nice imo, no real cons except that you can't tilt it up and down, which that's my only main problem. I notice no color weirdness at all in it.
It looks really good for gaming too and I'm not even using the HDMI cable! O:
I think it's incredibly wonderful for the price. Had it for about 2 months now along with my new computer.
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Only bad thing is that the refresh rate is only 60Hz. But that hasn't caused me any issues.
The Dell U2410 is most likely exactly what you're looking for. A 120Hz refresh rate is mainly important for 3D content or for properly displaying 24/60 FPS content. It won't impact any color related work.
As for gaming, the U2410 doesn't exhibit any ghosting and has minimal input lag. You should find that games look a lot better than on TN panel based monitors.
If you're going to be doing a lot of graphics work, I'd suggest getting your system calibrated in order to make the most of it and so that your prints will match your display.
If you didn't already know, the Apple cinema displays use the same panels as the Dells, which means that they have excellent image quality but are also more expensive with less features for more money.
You'll want to stay away from all TN panel monitors, whether they are made by Dell, Samsung, ASUS, LG, Acer etc.
Finally, I own a Dell U2410, a 2709W and a U2711. I've been very happy with all three and they each reach an impressive level of color accuracy after being calibrated with my Spyder 3.
OP would be better off getting two cheaper screens for that kind of money.
[QUOTE=turb_;24958387]OP would be better off getting two cheaper screens for that kind of money.[/QUOTE]
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[url]http://www.anandtech.com/show/3842/asus-vg236h-review-our-first-look-at-120hz[/url]
Better off in what way?
Compared to a modern 120Hz ASUS TN panel, the Dell performs around 200% better on every image quality benchmark.
Buying two cheaper monitors doesn't double their performance either. It just gives you twice as many monitors with poor image quality.
[QUOTE=turb_;24958387]OP would be better off getting two cheaper screens for that kind of money.[/QUOTE]
I'm going to second this. Or rather just get one 'decent' TN panel and save the money for something else.
I'm not opposed to spending some money on quality peripherals. I, myself, use a mechanical keyboard, decent headphones, and Logitech Mx518/G5 mice. However, I do not believe that a fancy keyboard will make me type faster (it's more of an investment, I was buying one $10 dome-switch keyboard per year, and I expect this board to last me at least ten) or that good headphones will suddenly reveal things in the source media that I never heard before (because if it isn't audible on semi-crappy headphones, it was probably stripped out by lossy audio compression).
The same sort of skepticism should be applied to monitors.
You won't notice the difference between a TN panel and an IPS panel unless you're scrutinizing every little flaw. You don't need one unless you're a professional graphic designer.
My TN panel looks quite good. The technology has come a long way in the last few years. There are rare cases where a certain pattern reveals the temporal dithering, but I only see these things because I know what to look for, and I'm constantly looking for it.
It is not worth the spending the extra $200 for some difference that you will never ever see without using all sorts of test patterns and taking a magnifying glass to each and every pixel.
[QUOTE=ROBO_DONUT;24965579]I'm going to second this. Or rather just get one 'decent' TN panel and save the money for something else.
I'm not opposed to spending some money on quality peripherals. I, myself, use a mechanical keyboard, decent headphones, and Logitech Mx518/G5 mice. However, I do not believe that a fancy keyboard will make me type faster (it's more of an investment, I was buying one $10 dome-switch keyboard per year, and I expect this board to last me at least ten) or that good headphones will suddenly reveal things in the source media that I never heard before (because if it isn't audible on semi-crappy headphones, it was probably stripped out by lossy audio compression).
The same sort of skepticism should be applied to monitors.
You won't notice the difference between a TN panel and an IPS panel unless you're scrutinizing every little flaw. You don't need one unless you're a professional graphic designer.
My TN panel looks quite good. The technology has come a long way in the last few years. There are rare cases where a certain pattern reveals the temporal dithering, but I only see these things because I know what to look for, and I'm constantly looking for it.
It is not worth the spending the extra $200 for some difference that you will never ever see without using all sorts of test patterns and taking a magnifying glass to each and every pixel.[/QUOTE]
I disagree with the headphone and TN/IPS comparisons. You [i]will[/i] notice the difference, whether you are looking for it or not, and [url]http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Displays/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=320-9271[/url]
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Otherwise, I agree.
[QUOTE=Odellus;24965784][url]http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Displays/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=320-9271[/url][/QUOTE]
$230 for a 21" 1920x1080?
When did IPS panels get so cheap?
Disregard my earlier post. If IPS panels are in the same price range as TNs now, go with IPS. It's the superior technology.
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