Yeah fuck off with this shit, Epic. Kid can't even drive.
[QUOTE=gk99;52926724]Yeah fuck off with this shit, Epic. Kid can't even drive.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't mean he can't hack in a video game
[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;52926736]Doesn't mean he can't hack in a video game[/QUOTE]
But he shouldn't in such big legal trouble for using hacks he didn't make in a free to play videogame.
He shouldn't be in legal trouble at all, he's 14.
[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;52926736]Doesn't mean he can't hack in a video game[/QUOTE]
so you just ban them and move on, you dont sue a 14 year old to make a point lmao
I had to read that again, they are seriously suing them now instead of just banning? Oh wow
At least when Blizzard got mad about WoW botters, they sued the developers of Honor Buddy and not the people who used it.
Wait, since when hacking in a videogame is actually illegal
I mean, I think they criminalized it in korea, but here in west
[QUOTE=WhyNott;52926782]Wait, since when hacking in a videogame is actually illegal
I mean, I think they criminalized it in korea, but here in west[/QUOTE]
They are using the DMCA law against them, I guess its just that no one really felt to sue someone over something that petty.
[QUOTE=WhyNott;52926782]Wait, since when hacking in a videogame is actually illegal
I mean, I think they criminalized it in korea, but here in west[/QUOTE]
They argue that developing cheats constitutes an illegal modification of the software protected by copyright law.
Which is true but go after the fucking developers, not the impressionable young kids who don't exactly have a track record of making good decisions.
What this article here leaves out is exactly why this is happening. This doesn't seem to be a case of them just suing because of using cheats, the Kotaku article this article got its information from (but they left this part out for some reason) says that this is because of the appealing of a DMCA claim on the video showing the cheats.
[quote]“This particular lawsuit arose as a result of the defendant filing a DMCA counterclaim to a takedown notice on a YouTube video that exposed and promoted Fortnite Battle Royale cheats and exploits”, Epic says in a statement given to Kotaku. “Under these circumstances, the law requires that we file suit or drop the claim.[/quote]
[QUOTE=gk99;52926724]Yeah fuck off with this shit, Epic. Kid can't even drive.[/QUOTE]
I'm disagreeing because your logic is flawed, not because I think the kid should be sued.
Whether or not he should be sued, well the above post clarifies it quite a bit, and tbh they sorta have their hand forced, they have to press the suit or let it mount as precedent evidence on the other cases.
However there's also this bit:
[quote]"Furthermore, Epic Games, INC has released the defendant's name publicly, therefore allowing news articles and different online publications to obtain his name and in turn release additional information. Referencing State of Delaware House Bill No. 64 it is illegal to release under age individuals' personal information by any agencies. Epic Games INC is in complete violation of this as well as other individual websites and news reporting agencies." [/quote]
This is escalating quickly. However to be fair, I can't find anything on Delaware house bill 64 that says what she's claiming. Everything I found is basically stuff about medical confidentiality and such. Children can be sued so that isn't the problem here, often from my understanding however one does so through the guardian [I]ad litem[/I], basically the adult deemed most responsible for said child. I'm not sure if they are or are not able to post the kid's name in the lawsuit, as the law given by the mother isn't giving me the information she thinks it has.
Really Epic only has to prove that the kid made a public disclosure of his name in the past in context to his videos and that entire defense dies anyway in most states due to the legality of private vs public facts.
[QUOTE]Epic Games has no capability of proving any form of modification. Caleb obtained existing cheats from a website with public view, not affiliated with Epic Games, INC, and used those cheats during a game with live stream via YouTube. [/QUOTE]
Even if he didn't develop the thing, doesn't running a modified exe/ini/dll count as modifying the game though?
[QUOTE=latin_geek;52926859]Even if he didn't develop the thing, doesn't running a modified exe/ini/dll count as modifying the game though?[/QUOTE]
Yes, and it's grounds for account termination. The kicker is that the kid cheated, live streamed it on YouTube, and then tried to fight the DCMA claim Epic made against him for said video of him cheating in their game. The lawsuit isn't because he cheated, it's because he challenged their most likely rightful DCMA takedown on his video. Cheating and posting it as regular gameplay misrepresents the game heavily and has no valid claim of transformation/fair use, they have a decent claim to be argued there.
If he hadn't appealed the DCMA takedown he wouldn't be sued right now, but because he did, they have to go to court about it.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;52926797]They argue that developing cheats constitutes an illegal modification of the software protected by copyright law.
Which is true but go after the fucking developers, not the impressionable young kids who don't exactly have a track record of making good decisions.[/QUOTE]
Only in the US btw, other countries don't have shitty laws and allow you to modify your stuff in most cases.
Epic screwed the pooch on this one. What they're saying makes sense but the shitshow they've started will probably cost them this case.
I mean shit I [I]guess[/I] they technically have a valid suit? But if a video of cheating in their game is worth a DMCA, why don't all the other videos of Epic Games' products being hacked count? I'd appeal too, when googling "Fortnight hacking" and doing a quick scroll shows they're not actively DMCAing everyone else's videos.
[QUOTE=eirexe;52927024]Only in the US btw, other countries don't have shitty laws and allow you to modify your stuff in most cases.[/QUOTE]
Well yeah, Epic is based in NC and it sounds like the kid and mom live in Delaware, so only U.S. laws are in play here.
[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;52926736]Doesn't mean he can't hack in a video game[/QUOTE]
I wallhacked in CS:S when I was twelve, doesn't mean I should be fucking sued over it, if that's what the suit was actually about.
In this case it turns out it's more DMCA bullshit, so my original comment is inaccurate.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;52927045]Epic screwed the pooch on this one. What they're saying makes sense but the shitshow they've started will probably cost them this case.[/QUOTE]
Unlikely they'll loose the case on publicity alone. That sorta doesn't happen. They have reasonable grounds for the case under US law, so it's possible they will win the case. However, it will not do them any favours in the public relations department no.
[editline]27th November 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=gk99;52927099]I wallhacked in CS:S when I was twelve, doesn't mean I should be fucking sued over it, if that's what the suit was actually about.[/QUOTE]
That's not what the law suit is about.
[QUOTE=F.X Clampazzo;52927107]That's not what the law suit is about so..[/QUOTE]
Fully aware, look up two posts.
Yo fully for adults being sued to shit for making hacks
not sure if any kids should be involved though
[editline]27th November 2017[/editline]
hopefully the whole DMCA confusion is the thing that gets headlines over other things
They are using the fact that he streamed it and streamed hacking to sue him.
lets ruin a childs life over videogames
[QUOTE=Lazore;52927191]They are using the fact that he streamed it and streamed hacking to sue him.[/QUOTE]
Not quite, they enacted a DMCA takedown claim because they believe he was modifying the game, but the kid filed a counterclaim. At this point they are forced to take suit or I think they lose their claim on the copyright.
[QUOTE=Arc Nova;52927221]lets ruin a childs life over videogames[/QUOTE]
The kid is 14, fully capable in the eyes of the law to be understanding of his actions having consequences, and yet still filed a DCMA counterclaim, not Epic's fault that the kid did something that forces them to push the suit or possibly lose their copyright precedent. Regardless of whether or not a 14 year old understands DCMA law, or should be expected to, ignorance of the law doesn't mean freedom from punishment. Also it's not the kid's life who will be ruined, his parent(s) is/are his guardian [I]ad litem[/I](s), they'll be the ones who most likely have to bare the brunt of whatever the lawsuit rules.
[QUOTE=Lazore;52927191]They are using the fact that he streamed it and streamed hacking to sue him.[/QUOTE]
Again, no they aren't, maybe try reading the article? The actions taken because he streamed him self hacking the game was a DCMA takedown request, and probably an account termination, that's standard and would have gone no further than this. [U]This lawsuit is the result of the kid filing a counterclaim.[/U] A counterclaim is literally you saying, "hey what I did wasn't wrong and was fully within fair use/terms of service!" which in this case, it probably isn't. The kid, through his own actions, brought this lawsuit upon him self. Is it stupid? Yes. Is it bad PR for Epic? Yes. But it isn't Epic trying to legalese murder some dumb hacker kid because he cheated in their version of "Battle Royale Game #36".
[QUOTE=F.X Clampazzo;52927315]Also it's not the kid's life who will be ruined, his parent(s) is/are his guardian [I]ad litem[/I](s), they'll be the ones who most likely have to bare the brunt of whatever the lawsuit rules.
[/QUOTE]
you don't think this lawsuit will be carried with him throughout his life?
also "His life won't be ruined, just his parents" yeah you really think it will just impact his parents and not him? He depends on his parents, he's 14. Anything that happens to them financially will impact him as well.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;52927283]Not quite, they enacted a DMCA takedown claim because they believe he was modifying the game, but the kid filed a counterclaim. At this point they are forced to take suit or I think they lose their claim on the copyright.[/QUOTE]
that's not how copyright works
[QUOTE=eirexe;52927421]that's not how copyright works[/QUOTE]
No, but it's how legal precedent is set. If they didn't follow through against the counterclaim, the kid's instance can be used as precedent evidence in future cases.
[QUOTE=eirexe;52927421]that's not how copyright works[/QUOTE]
You're right, I'm thinking of trademarks. Next time though instead of saying "that's not how it works" why don't you explain it?
Regardless I would expect any company to protect their copyright especially in cases of online cheating. Epic doesn't want to set any bad precedents. Unfortunately the kid is in a sense, a scapegoat.
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