• Russia to prioritize construction of new Cosmodrome now that Olympics over
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[IMG]http://en.ria.ru/images/17976/27/179762749.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE]MOSCOW, February 24 (RIA Novosti) – Work on Russia’s new Far Eastern Vostochny space center will be prioritized now that the Winter Olympics in Sochi has come to an end, a senior official said Monday while touring the facility. Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, who oversees the space and defense industries, toured the facility by helicopter and met with the Amur region governor and the head of the Russian space agency, Oleg Ostapenko. “Independent experts say that the manpower at Vostochny cosmodrome must be multiplied several fold, to 15,000 people at least,” Rogozin said. “The Olympics are over, now this facility is key.” During a report to the visiting officials, a manager of the project said that around 5,000 workers were currently engaged at the site, but that the number would be increased to 8,000 later this year. Rogozin said that the military’s construction agency should not only employ its own people, but also assign civilian workers from the build-up effort for the Sochi Olympics to the task. “A total of 5,000 people are working at the space center, and what, there are no people in the country?” Rogozin said. Managers reported that the facility was ready for the installation of nitrogen and oxygen processing plants following the completion of the site’s electrical network.[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.ria.ru/military_news/20140224/187839821/Russia-to-Boost-Manpower-on-New-Space-Center-Construction.html[/url] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/8p4rfzR.jpg?1?9245[/IMG]
Most of the funds allocated to it are gonna be siphoned off by corrupt officials anyways.
Hooray a new money sink [editline]26th February 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;44052664]Most of the funds allocated to it are gonna be siphoned off by corrupt officials anyways.[/QUOTE] Basically this
At least when it comes to these sort of facilities they can't skimp on the construction work.
[QUOTE=damnatus;44052668]Hooray a new money sinker[/QUOTE] Better than Olympics.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;44052664]Most of the funds allocated to it are gonna be siphoned off by corrupt officials anyways.[/QUOTE] There is no IOC money they can steal this time though.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;44052664]Most of the funds allocated to it are gonna be siphoned off by corrupt officials anyways.[/QUOTE] It is being constructed as a military site. Roscosmos has been restructured. I doubt that 'most of the funds will be siphoned off'. Also, can you prove it?
[QUOTE=laserguided;44052692]It is being constructed as a military site. Roscosmos has been restructured. I doubt that 'most of the funds will be siphoned off'. Also, can you prove it?[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_Russia[/url] [quote] Russia is on the 133rd place out of 176 (tied with Comoros, Guyana, Honduras, Iran, and Kazakhstan) in the Corruption Perceptions Index published by Transparency International.[1] According to some expert estimates, the market for corruption in the country exceeded US$240 billion in 2006.[2] The Russian think tank Indem estimates that bribes accounted for 20% of Russia's GDP as of 2005.[3] According to a poll conducted in early 2010, 15% of Russians reported to have paid a bribe in the past 12 months.[4] The overall amount of bribes in the Russian economy during the last decade skyrocketed from $33 billion to more than $400 billion per year in Putin's government, according to Georgy Satarov, former aide to Boris Yeltsin.[5][/quote] Given the insanely high prevalence of corruption, I would be inclined to say so.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;44052726][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_Russia[/url] Given the insanely high prevalence of corruption, I would be inclined to say so.[/QUOTE] So basically you cant. Petty bribes do not simply take %50+ percent of a military construction budget (Where single-sourcing is in order).
Cosmodrome is a way fucking cooler word than spaceport.
Corruption or not, but at least i'm glad that we still fund things like this one. It's better than to throw money into another useless entertainment shit.
[QUOTE=laserguided;44052743]Petty bribes do not simply take %50+ percent of a military construction budget (Where single-sourcing is in order).[/QUOTE] oh, you have [B]no[/B] idea how things work here :v:
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;44052726][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_Russia[/url] Given the insanely high prevalence of corruption, I would be inclined to say so.[/QUOTE] Does a bribe become none corrupt if it is labelled as a donation as part of a lobbying campaign? Ah apparently in the US it does. Might explain how they scored so well.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;44052811]Does a bribe become none corrupt if it is labelled as a donation as part of a lobbying campaign? Ah apparently in the US it does. Might explain how they scored so well.[/QUOTE] and that excuses russian corruption how???
[QUOTE=damnatus;44052803]oh, you have [B]no[/B] idea how things work here :v:[/QUOTE] It is simply impossible for this project to have 50% of its funds taken away when contracting is going through the military. Objects MUST meet construction standards.
[QUOTE=laserguided;44052834]It is simply impossible for this project to have 50% of its funds taken away when contracting is going through the military. Objects MUST meet construction standards.[/QUOTE] You are overestimating Russian military officials, our previous minster of Defence has been tried for outstanding corruption for the last couple of months and there's still no end in sight for that trial.
[QUOTE=damnatus;44052803]oh, you have [B]no[/B] idea how things work here :v:[/QUOTE] You sure do. I'm not some crazy partiot, but I just hate when people act this way. Having high corruption levels doesn't mean that everyone steals fucking everything. It just means that we have a problem to be solved.
[QUOTE=laserguided;44052834]It is simply impossible for this project to have 50% of its funds taken away when contracting is going through the military. Objects MUST meet construction standards.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]oh, you have [B]no[/B] idea how things work here :v:[/QUOTE] [editline]26th February 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=antianan;44052862]You sure do. I'm not some crazy partiot, but I just hate when people act this way. Having high corruption levels doesn't mean that everyone steals fucking everything. It just means that we have a problem to be solved.[/QUOTE] I never said it's a good thing though.
[QUOTE=antianan;44052862]You sure do. I'm not some crazy partiot, but I just hate when people act this way. Having high corruption levels doesn't mean that everyone steals fucking everything. It just means that we have a problem to be solved.[/QUOTE] I'd say it's something more than a "problem to be solved" when [b]no one in government[/b] wants to solve it.
[QUOTE=gudman;44052858]You are overestimating Russian military officials, our previous minster of Defence has been tried for outstanding corruption for the last couple of months and there's still no end in sight for that trial.[/QUOTE] I'm basing my speculation on the fact that the Angara rocket, one of the primary reasons this new cosmodrome is being built, is sailing smooth and is being delivered on time. I'd like to think the cautious launch of the recent commercial Proton-M means increased oversight and investigation.
[QUOTE=Streecer;44052831]and that excuses russian corruption how???[/QUOTE] Absolutely not but I don't believe that its fair for an indictator to be used if it is clearly skewed toward a country. Its like having some kind of cancer report then a country discounting a type of cancer because they classify it differently then becoming best in the world because of that discounting. Russia is by no means great but neither are the UK and the US the difference is that loopholes make it legal to bribe politicians in the UK and US. Dick Cheney was CEO of halliburton, he was later made vice president. As vice president had would have had large influence over US foreign policy, he stated concern over iraq. Iraq was later invaded. Halliburton, the company he would still have friends and investments in was given a 7 billion contract to rebuild iraq. Halliburton gave Dick Cheney hundreds of thousands of dollars for this. Halliburton was the only company to bid for that contract. Thats pretty fucking corrupt if you ask me.
[QUOTE=gudman;44052870]I'd say it's something more than a "problem to be solved" when [b]no one in government[/b] wants to solve it.[/QUOTE] I won't say "no one". But yeah, that's yet another big problem :v:.
the olympics are over? i've heard literally no news about it
[QUOTE=gudman;44052870]I'd say it's something more than a "problem to be solved" when [b]no one in government[/b] wants to solve it.[/QUOTE] This is actually untrue, there are officials in government who prioritize national success.
[QUOTE=antianan;44052884]I won't say "no one". [/QUOTE] No one in the government who actually is in charge, that's for sure. [editline]26th February 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=laserguided;44052901]This is actually untrue, there are officials in government who prioritize national success.[/QUOTE] Everyone prioritizes national success, how else they would get elected :v:
[QUOTE=laserguided;44052879]I'm basing my speculation on the fact that the Angara rocket, one of the primary reasons this new cosmodrome is being built, is sailing smooth and is being delivered on time.[/QUOTE] You're missing a large part here, costs of it all. The cosmodrome [b]will be[/b] built, but the costs of it will take twice the actual. No one "steals" the money allocated for one purpose or another. The costs are raised to the sky in the first place. And then we have "accidents" where construction materials get "damaged" and more money is sent to cover the extras, when in reality everything's fine and everyone's basically milking the budget. Military overseers will have their cut, so they won't mind it too much. [editline]26th February 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=antianan;44052884]I won't say "no one". But yeah, that's yet another big problem :v:.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=laserguided;44052901]This is actually untrue, there are officials in government who prioritize national success.[/QUOTE] When people who want to fix it have either no power or all their initiatives get castrated or outright torpedoed, that's effectively "no one".
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;44052881]Absolutely not but I don't believe that its fair for an indictator to be used if it is clearly skewed toward a country. Its like having some kind of cancer report then a country discounting a type of cancer because they classify it differently then becoming best in the world because of that discounting. Russia is by no means great but neither are the UK and the US the difference is that loopholes make it legal to bribe politicians in the UK and US.[/QUOTE] So instead of being accurate it's "Skewed". Sure. I'm fairly certain most people are aware of the lobbying problem in the US. It really doesn't give an excuse to dance around and go "Look! Our corrupt government is contrasted by these less corrupt governments!" Such a large difference between the US and Russia clearly shows the extent of the corruption. Maybe the US result is a bit too high, but you can't discount all the other nations on that map because of it.
[QUOTE=Streecer;44052929]So instead of being accurate it's "Skewed". Sure. I'm fairly certain most people are aware of the lobbying problem in the US. It really doesn't give an excuse to dance around and go "Look! Our corrupt government is contrasted by these less corrupt governments!" Such a large difference between the US and Russia clearly shows the extent of the corruption. Maybe the US result is a bit too high, but you can't discount all the other nations on that map because of it.[/QUOTE] Read my edit. A politican used to work for a company, leaves company gets money, becomes vice president, wants to invade somewhere, invades iraq, company is given 7 billion dollar contract to rebuild country. But it is somehow not a bribe and it is somehow not corrupt. You are right though, I cannot discount corruption in Russia. It is a real problem.
[QUOTE=gudman;44052916] When people who want to fix it have either no power or all their initiatives get castrated or outright torpedoed, that's effectively "no one".[/QUOTE] No it isn't. Passive or not, these people at least exist, and this matters much actually. All they need is a possibility to act, and I hope one day it will come. I mean, they are the necessary condition for these changes, while the possibility is sufficient condition.
[QUOTE=antianan;44052984] I hope one day it will come[/QUOTE] dude we all do but let's be real, it aint coming in the foreseeable future
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