• Police Choke Asthmatic Man to Death
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Video has been deleted, but if they find another one you should assume it's NSFW: [URL]http://www.mediaite.com/online/watch-nypd-officer-puts-asthmatic-man-in-chokehold-killing-him/[/URL] [QUOTE] Someone captured horrifying video of a New York man put in a chokehold by an NYPD officer, and ended up dying as a result. [B]Eric Garner[/B] was arguing with the cops, and things escalated when they tried to handcuff him. One of the officers put Garner in a chokehold and he cried, “I can’t breathe.” Moments later, Garner stopped breathing and he appeared to be unconscious. [URL="http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/staten-island-man-dies-puts-choke-hold-article-1.1871486?utm_content=buffer96a7a&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=NYDailyNewsTw"]According to the [I]New York Daily News[/I][/URL], Garner’s wife spoke with police, and they said there’s an investigation underway over the officer’s conduct because it’s clear “there is wrongdoing.” Cops on the scene claim they witnessed Garner attempting to sell untaxed cigarettes, but Garner’s wife said that’s ridiculous. “They’re covering their asses, he was breaking up a fight,” she said. “They harassed and harassed my husband until they killed him.” [/QUOTE]
Saying he was choked to death isn't sensational its just not right. He was in a choke hold for about 5 seconds, not enough time to even knock him out. I would assume the asthma attack was triggered by him getting worked up and the physical activity.
Article seems very one sided and possibly is making a villain out of the the police for views. For all we know they could have outright murdered the hell out of him... but then again, maybe it's being exaggerated and they are in the green.
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[QUOTE]The Beastly Dude - Hail Hydra! • 5 minutes ago Who needs guns when there are police officers out there to protect everyone.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]That guy • 2 minutes ago This is at least manslaughter.....they literally MURDERED that man on camera! A badge does not make you judge, jury & executioner. This country has such a lack of accountability it is truly sickening. Yet another civilian murdered by police. They whine about occupational job hazards, but, they sure kill a lot more people than any of them even get injured, let alone dead.[/QUOTE] of course, people are going to post ignorant progun anti police shit anyways
should have sourced the NY Times article [QUOTE]A 400-pound asthmatic Staten Island dad died Thursday after a cop put him in a chokehold and other officers appeared to slam his head against the sidewalk, video of the incident shows. “I can’t breathe! I can’t breathe!” Eric Garner, 43, repeatedly screamed after at least five NYPD officers took him down in front of a Tompkinsville beauty supply store when he balked at being handcuffed. Within moments Garner, a married father of six children with two grandchildren, stopped struggling and appeared to be unconscious as police called paramedics to the scene. An angry crowd gathered, some recording with smartphones.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Police officials said Garner had a history of arrests for selling untaxed cigarettes. Cops said they observed him selling his wares Thursday on Bay St. and moved in for an arrest.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]When Garner refused orders to put his hands behind his back, one of the plainclothes cops, wearing a green T-shirt with a yellow No. 99 on the back, got behind him and put him in a chokehold, the footage shows. A struggle ensued as three uniformed officers joined in on the arrest, knocking the man to the ground. He screamed, “I can’t breathe!” six times before he went silent and paramedics were called.[/QUOTE] Basically, the cops were doing their job and the guy was being uncooperative. Excessive force, yes, but that's what cops are trained to do if someone does not cooperate, especially someone as large as the poor guy. but everyone is just gonna say "lol cops are evil bastards" anyway
When the hell was his head slammed into the ground?
[QUOTE=LZTYBRN;45430565] Basically, the cops were doing their job and the guy was being uncooperative. Excessive force, yes, but that's what cops are trained to do if someone does not cooperate, especially someone as large as the poor guy. [/QUOTE] I don't get it, at what point did it become morally acceptable to kill people because they were "being uncooperative" and the police were "doing their job". Those are the two lamest excuses I've ever seen for taking the life of another person, especially when he wasn't committing any sort of violent act, and may have not even committed a crime at all.
[QUOTE=daschnek;45430706]I don't get it, at what point did it become morally acceptable to kill people because they were "being uncooperative" and the police were "doing their job". Those are the two lamest excuses I've ever seen for taking the life of another person, especially when he wasn't committing any sort of violent act, and may have not even committed a crime at all.[/QUOTE] lmfao do you honestly think the cop meant to kill the guy?? I'm not saying it's morally acceptable, it was an unfortunate and terrible accident. You can't blame the cop for not knowing the dude had asthma jesus fucking christ
[QUOTE=daschnek;45430706]I don't get it, at what point did it become morally acceptable to kill people because they were "being uncooperative" and the police were "doing their job". Those are the two lamest excuses I've ever seen for taking the life of another person, especially when he wasn't committing any sort of violent act, and may have not even committed a crime at all.[/QUOTE] When did he say it was morally acceptable to kill him? He was saying that the force used was justified. They where not attempting to kill him and anyone else would have been fine.
[QUOTE=daschnek;45430706]I don't get it, at what point did it become morally acceptable to kill people because they were "being uncooperative" and the police were "doing their job". Those are the two lamest excuses I've ever seen for taking the life of another person, especially when he wasn't committing any sort of violent act, and may have not even committed a crime at all.[/QUOTE] A man could be shot in the head and recover within a week, he could also fall down a small ledge, snap his neck instantly and die. it's extremely unlikely they intended to kill him, and even with a bajillion years of training you can't guarantee you'll accidentally kill someone.
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;45430488]Saying he was choked to death isn't sensational its just not right. He was in a choke hold for about 5 seconds, not enough time to even knock him out. I would assume the asthma attack was triggered by him getting worked up and the physical activity.[/QUOTE] Actually if you do a rear naked choke or triangle correctly you can cut off the oxygen to their brain and knock them about in about seven-fifteen seconds and from there can cause irreversible brain damage. Some people it can happen in less time, especially if they are of a larger weight. Basically I don't think they were trying to kill him, but it really is that simple.
[QUOTE=LZTYBRN;45430720]lmfao do you honestly think the cop meant to kill the guy?? I'm not saying it's morally acceptable, it was an unfortunate and terrible accident. You can't blame the cop for not knowing the dude had asthma jesus fucking christ[/QUOTE] Killing someone and not meaning to is still a crime, and it's still not exactly excusable when the guy apparently hadn't even done anything to warrant the use of force on him. The point is, whether they intended for him to die or not, the police are lacking in any kind of moral grounds whatsoever.
[QUOTE=daschnek;45430758]Killing someone and not meaning to is still a crime, and it's still not exactly excusable when the guy apparently hadn't even done anything to warrant the use of force on him. The point is, whether they intended for him to die or not, the police are lacking in any kind of moral grounds whatsoever.[/QUOTE] that is literally exactly what i am saying [editline]18th July 2014[/editline] Though the thing is you say he "hadn't even done anything to warrant the use of force", which is incorrect. Resisting arrest is one of the cases in which officers are instructed to use force if the person they're attempting to arrest is getting agitated, which seems to be the case here.
[QUOTE=J!NX;45430741]A man could be shot in the head and recover within a week, he could also fall down a small ledge, snap his neck instantly and die. it's extremely unlikely they intended to kill him, and even with a bajillion years of training you can't guarantee you'll accidentally kill someone.[/QUOTE] I'd say you can raise the chances of not accidentally killing people if you lower the amount of unnecessary violent force used. [editline]18th July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=LZTYBRN;45430781]that is literally exactly what i am saying [editline]18th July 2014[/editline] Though the thing is you say he "hadn't even done anything to warrant the use of force", which is incorrect. Resisting arrest is one of the cases in which officers are instructed to use force if the person they're attempting to arrest is getting agitated, which seems to be the case here.[/QUOTE] If the instructions the officers receive are killing people for no reason, then the instructions need to change. Besides, "resisting" needs a far clearer definition. What, did he say "oh hey guys, I'm not doing anything" and then suddenly that's resisting?
[URL]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8ae_1405660548[/URL] Because it's totally justified right? It's not like he was begging them to get off saying he can't breath multiple times while they pushed his face into the concrete when he didn't even try to attack one of the officers? Fuck off if you think this wasn't police brutality.
[QUOTE=daschnek;45430819]I'd say you can raise the chances of not accidentally killing people if you lower the amount of unnecessary violent force used.[/QUOTE] that logic doesn't work nearly as well as you think it does. In fact, that can actually cause deaths as well.
So he broke up a fight and the police were giving him a hard time. Accused him of selling untaxed cigarettes and subdued him, unfortunately with enough force to cause his asthma to kick in resulting in his death. Is that the just of it? Am I missing something? Because if that's it, I gotta ask why the police were giving him such a hard time. Even if he was selling untaxed coffin nails, he just broke up a fight. Give him a break, or a warning or something. I will say this though. Too many times do people say "I can't breath I can't breath" when they clearly can breath, otherwise they wouldn't be talking.
[QUOTE=J!NX;45430846]that logic doesn't work nearly as well as you think it does. In fact, that can actually cause deaths as well.[/QUOTE] How? How can the non-escalation to violent force on the part of the police not result in less death? It's far from rhetorical, I'd genuinely like to see a mechanism for this.
[QUOTE=daschnek;45430819] If the instructions the officers receive are killing people for no reason, then the instructions need to change. Besides, "resisting" needs a far clearer definition. What, did he say "oh hey guys, I'm not doing anything" and then suddenly that's resisting?[/QUOTE] are you serious? i just told you what the cops are instructed to do watch the video and take a look at the dude, he's obviously getting agitated, and all the cops around him are much smaller than he is. An angry guy that tall and that weight is going to be intimidating in any situation. I'm not *justifying* anything. This guy was getting agitated, the cops used excessive force, and he died accidentally. Contrary to popular belief, most cops follow the rules, and in this case they did nearly nothing wrong.
isn't a chokehold very very rarely fatal anyways? that is of course until you have an asthma spasma [QUOTE=daschnek;45430895]How? How can the non-escalation to violent force on the part of the police not result in less death? It's far from rhetorical, I'd genuinely like to see a mechanism for this.[/QUOTE] Because they have to also prevent violence, and a lot of the time taming a situation by force can help (I'm talking about when someone resists arrest) what are they going to do? ask politely? and the man resisted arrest, they never even slammed his head into the ground anyways. Who cares what he was doing, you shouldn't resist arrest.
[QUOTE=Medevila;45430939]He broke up a fight? I don't see anything solid to support that even though it's irrelevant either way[/QUOTE] I don't know. I watched the video as well as read the article. And everyone in the video claims the man just broke up a fight and that was it.
[QUOTE=IceWarrior98;45430947]I don't know. I watched the video as well as read the article. And everyone in the video claims the man just broke up a fight and that was it.[/QUOTE] to be fair they also say "Slamming Face to Sidewalk" I don't see where they did that at all, so I question the logic
[QUOTE=J!NX;45430933]isn't a chokehold very very rarely fatal anyways? that is of course until you have an asthma spasma Because they have to also prevent violence, and a lot of the time taming a situation by force can help (I'm talking about when someone resists arrest) what are they going to do? ask politely? and the man resisted arrest, they never even slammed his head into the ground anyways. Who cares what he was doing, you shouldn't resist arrest.[/QUOTE] Of course you shouldn't resist arrest, but in this case there's no evidence that he was violent at all or even had any intent to be violent. There was no situation that needed to be "tamed" through the use of violence. They used violence anyways, and he died because of that.
[QUOTE=Medevila;45431063]Where in the video are they 'violent' He resisted arrest and they subdue him, he died in a freak accident and there will need to be reparations obviously but I fail to see the police demonstrating any intent to harm[/QUOTE] Better question, how is grabbing someone, forcing them to the ground, and having a man dedicated to holding his head against the concrete not violent?
It's america police do whatever the fuck they want.
[QUOTE=daschnek;45431085]Better question, how is grabbing someone, forcing them to the ground, and having a man dedicated to holding his head against the concrete not violent?[/QUOTE] As a reaction to someone who is agitated and trying to escape it's perfectly within the bounds of force usage. watch the video. He tries to escape the first guy that grabs him by backing him up into a wall while he's clinging on his back, only after that do the other cops jump in, because at that point an officer is in danger
[QUOTE=Medevila;45431114]When is that not how handcuffs are placed on someone resisting arrest? You seem to dislike the maneuver generally rather than how these officers handled this particular situation[/QUOTE] That shouldn't be how handcuffs are placed on someone who wasn't even a threat to the police in any way.
Its his fault for having asthma? Nope not blaming the victim at all.
[QUOTE=daschnek;45431160]That shouldn't be how handcuffs are placed on someone who wasn't even a threat to the police in any way.[/QUOTE] from the outside and after the fact, you perceive him not to be a threat. If you were a cop, and you were facing down a 7 foot tall, 400 pound man getting angry and frustrated, who was resisting arrest, meaning they couldn't get cuffs on him easily, and even OUTRIGHT SAID "YOU'RE NOT ARRESTING ME TODAY," what would you do?
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