[url="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/health-science-technology/hunting-the-nightmare-bacteria/dr-arjun-srinivasan-weve-reached-the-end-of-antibiotics-period/"]PBS - Interiew with Arjun Srinivasan (CDC Associate Director)[/url]
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[quote]The more you use an antibiotic, the more you expose a bacteria to an antibiotic, the greater the likelihood that resistance to that antibiotic is going to develop. So the more antibiotics we put into people, we put into the environment, we put into livestock, the more opportunities we create for these bacteria to become resistant. …We also know that we’ve greatly overused antibiotics and in overusing these antibiotics, we have set ourselves up for the scenario that we find ourselves in now, where we’re running out of antibiotics.
We are quickly running out of therapies to treat some of these infections that previously had been eminently treatable. There are bacteria that we encounter, particularly in health-care settings, that are resistant to nearly all — or, in some cases, all — the antibiotics that we have available to us, and we are thus entering an era that people have talked about for a long time.
For a long time, there have been newspaper stories and covers of magazines that talked about “The end of antibiotics, question mark?” Well, now I would say you can change the title to “The end of antibiotics, period.”
We’re here. We’re in the post-antibiotic era. There are patients for whom we have no therapy, and we are literally in a position of having a patient in a bed who has an infection, something that five years ago even we could have treated, but now we can’t. …
For example, organ transplantation. One of the major causes of death in patients who would have an organ transplant would be an infection. Without antibiotics, we wouldn’t be able to treat any of those infections. Stem cell transplants, bone marrow transplantation, cancer chemotherapy would be largely impossible … because all of these are therapies that weaken people’s immune system, which of course makes them then vulnerable to infections. We didn’t have to worry about that so much because we had antibiotics that could treat those infections.
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RIP Advanced Medical Procedures [1928-2013]
Well, fuck.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;42642984]
RIP Advanced Medical Procedures [1928-2013][/QUOTE]
There are still plenty of other fields medicine can advance in... For example, bacteria act different depending on the surface they are on. Find a way to attract them onto a certain fabric and you could destroy or disable them, and they wouldn't be able to evolve against it.
For the 1 person who disagreed, a well known example is copper plates.
Ban all antibiotics that do work and save them for the people who really are dying.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;42643020]Ban all antibiotics that do work and save them for the people who really are dying.[/QUOTE]
What are they being used for now?
[QUOTE=Explosions;42643026]What are they being used for now?[/QUOTE]
Cattle, amongst other things.
[QUOTE=Explosions;42643026]What are they being used for now?[/QUOTE]
People who self-medicate and think it will help against things like the flu.
Well the end of Man made antibiotics.
Not natural alternatives that rival even the best of man made antibiotics or beat them.
[url]http://www.naturalnews.com/035516_natural_antibiotics_superbugs.html[/url]
[url]http://frugallysustainable.com/2013/08/food-and-herb-cures-10-natural-antibiotic-alternatives/[/url]
[QUOTE=Explosions;42643026]What are they being used for now?[/QUOTE]
Generally, eveything. Even when they're unecessary.
[QUOTE=Explosions;42643026]What are they being used for now?[/QUOTE]
I know and know of lots of people who take antibiotics for trivial shit like a cold.
I seriously doubt those kinds of people are the leading cause for this problem though, although I haven't seen any statistics for it I would guess that the main issue has been overuse in hospitals and on livestock.
Just bleach everything. Nothing escapes from bleach.
[QUOTE=Holylucifer6;42643039]Well the end of Man made antibiotics.
Not natural alternatives that rival even the best of man made antibiotics or beat them.[/QUOTE]
Oh really. Got a list?
*With peer reviews to back it
[editline]25th October 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Daemon;42643063]Just bleach everything. Nothing escapes from bleach.[/QUOTE]
I'll get the needles.
Huh, I used to work on a project at Helsinki university for my work practice, researching the prevalence in wildlife and livestock of antibiotic-resistant strains mentioned in that article, especially Klebsiella pneumoniae.
[QUOTE=Holylucifer6;42643039]Well the end of Man made antibiotics.
Not natural alternatives that rival even the best of man made antibiotics or beat them.
[URL]http://www.naturalnews.com/035516_natural_antibiotics_superbugs.html[/URL][/QUOTE]I'd love to see you fight off an S. aureus infection with the crap from that list.
[QUOTE=Holylucifer6;42643039]Well the end of Man made antibiotics.
Not natural alternatives that rival even the best of man made antibiotics or beat them.
[url]http://www.naturalnews.com/035516_natural_antibiotics_superbugs.html[/url][/QUOTE]
Everything i hear about cures from herbs and plants has been some shady shit.
[QUOTE=James xX;42643088]Except darned curry stains :([/QUOTE]
Curry IV's then.
original idea donut steal
[QUOTE=Daemon;42643063]Just bleach everything. Nothing escapes from bleach.[/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwxl_-DHqKo[/media]
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;42643100]Huh, I used to work on a project at Helsinki university for my work practice, researching the prevalence of antibiotic-resistant strains mentioned in that article, especially Klebsiella pneumoniae.
I'd love to see you fight off an S. aureus infection with the crap from that list.[/QUOTE]
That entire list is nothing but total bogus shady crap.
In any case, the misuse of antibiotics has been going on for quite a while now to begin with. Everybody knows it's happening, nobody's going to do anything about it (the people who matter in this equation, like medical professionals)
[QUOTE=Holylucifer6;42643039]Well the end of Man made antibiotics.
Not natural alternatives that rival even the best of man made antibiotics or beat them.
[url]http://www.naturalnews.com/035516_natural_antibiotics_superbugs.html[/url]
[url]http://frugallysustainable.com/2013/08/food-and-herb-cures-10-natural-antibiotic-alternatives/[/url][/QUOTE]
Where the fuck do you think medicines come from?
Upon having an inflammation, an extract from willow tree bark acts as a NSAID. I wonder what we can call it. Aspirin?
"Alternative medicine" that has been studied, peer reviewed and submitted to a double blind trial and other gold standards is branded as a magical item called a "medicine"
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;42643100]I'd love to see you fight off an S. aureus infection with the crap from that list.[/QUOTE]
Let alone methicillin resistant strains.
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;42643100]Huh, I used to work on a project at Helsinki university for my work practice, researching the prevalence in wildlife and livestock of antibiotic-resistant strains mentioned in that article, especially Klebsiella pneumoniae.
I'd love to see you fight off an S. aureus infection with the crap from that list.[/QUOTE]
A strong imune system is what makes your body naturally resistant to all types of threats, and actually feeding yourself correctly does help in geting a strong immune system. I belive garlic, among other foods, is definitely a good way to prevent you from getting an infection in the first place.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;42643143]That entire list is nothing but total bogus shady crap.
In any case, the misuse of antibiotics has been going on for quite a while now to begin with. Everybody knows it's happening, nobody's going to do anything about it (the people who matter in this equation, like medical professionals)[/QUOTE]
Yeah i agree the stuff is crap isn't it?
I mean what are the doctors going to do when their useless crap don't work any more?
Natural crap?
Been used for 1000's of years and still works.
[QUOTE=ah!panic;42643179]A strong imune system is what makes your body naturally resistant to all types of threats, and actually feeding yourself correctly does help in geting a strong immune system. I belive garlic, among other foods, is definitely a good way to prevent you from getting an infection in the first place.[/QUOTE]
Although sometimes a strong immune system can make matters worse. Ever heard of a Cytokine storm?
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytokine_storm[/url]
[QUOTE=ah!panic;42643179]A strong imune system is what makes your body naturally resistant to all types of threats, and actually feeding yourself correctly does help in geting a strong immune system. I belive garlic, among other foods, is definitely a good way to prevent you from getting an infection in the first place.[/QUOTE]A healthy lifestyle will aid in boosting the immune system, but nothing on that list is going to cure someone who already has an infection, and especially not from the nastier buggers. Eating well isn't going to cure someone of cholera, for example.
[QUOTE=Holylucifer6;42643188]
Been used for 1000's of years and still works.[/QUOTE]
I dare you to cut yourself with a rusty blade and cure it with natural methods. The truth is, most medical methods are derived from natural methods, and made to be more efficient or concentrated. If they don't work anymore, please share your logic when you say that the natural methods still do.
For further reading, Biomimetics is a good thing to look into.
um I just bought some yesterday for my ear infection
fukin nhs conning me again socialist scum
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;42643226]A healthy lifestyle will aid in boosting the immune system, but nothing on that list is going to cure someone who already has an infection, and especially not from the nastier buggers. Eating well isn't going to cure someone of cholera, for example.[/QUOTE]
I agree with that, in those cases it probably won't help, but I think the lifestyle might make the difference in preventing a minor infection from becoming a complicated and large one instead of going away by itself, not for all the bacteria ofc, but for some that eventually might also become untreatable by antibihotics.
So what now?
[QUOTE=Holylucifer6;42643188]Yeah i agree the stuff is crap isn't it?
I mean what are the doctors going to do when their useless crap don't work any more?
Natural crap?
Been used for 1000's of years and still works.[/QUOTE]
You stupid twat, the man-made stuff is derived from the fucking natural cures. It's artificial because they took those cures and took out the irrelevant shit and left the stuff that works. Why eat willow bark to get the effect of aspirin when you can just take the chemical itself?
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[QUOTE=Holylucifer6;42643188]I mean what are the doctors going to do when their useless crap don't work any more?
Natural crap?
Been used for 1000's of years and still works.[/QUOTE]
This back to nature, "find out about this natural, cheap cure that doctors HATE" stuff is usually a bunch of smoke and mirrors shit. Up there with the article about how microwaving water causes it to kill plants and microwaved food will slowly kill you.
Don't get me wrong, nature does some amazing things, but saying nature can just up and spring us out of nasty medical problems instead of actually investing in a man-made solution that absolutely targets the problem? That's silly. It's never bad to do your research on new medicines and treatments, but to avoid them entirely because they are not natural is setting yourself up for disaster.
[QUOTE=ElectricSquid;42643311]You stupid twat, the man-made stuff is derived from the fucking natural cures. It's artificial because they took those cures and took out the irrelevant shit and left the stuff that works. Why eat willow bark to get the effect of aspirin when you can just take the chemical itself?[/QUOTE]
Are you ignorant?
Doctors rather profit then cure you.
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