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[QUOTE]Scientists have found the oldest DNA evidence yet of humans’ biological history. But instead of neatly clarifying human evolution, the finding is adding new mysteries.
In a paper in the journal Nature, scientists reported Wednesday that they had retrieved ancient human DNA from a fossil dating back about 400,000 years, shattering the previous record of 100,000 years.
The fossil, a thigh bone found in Spain, had previously seemed to many experts to belong to a forerunner of Neanderthals. But its DNA tells a very different story. It most closely resembles DNA from an enigmatic lineage of humans known as Denisovans. Until now, Denisovans were known only from DNA retrieved from 80,000-year-old remains in Siberia, 4,000 miles east of where the new DNA was found.
The mismatch between the anatomical and genetic evidence surprised the scientists, who are now rethinking human evolution over the past few hundred thousand years. It is possible, for example, that there are many extinct human populations that scientists have yet to discover. They might have interbred, swapping DNA. Scientists hope that further studies of extremely ancient human DNA will clarify the mystery.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/05/science/at-400000-years-oldest-human-dna-yet-found-raises-new-mysteries.html[/url]
always weird knowing there were different kinds of humans.
I bet there's even older :v:
[QUOTE=God of Ashes;43071186]always weird knowing there were different kinds of humans.[/QUOTE]
It's weird knowing that humans have been around to close to half a million years yet all we have of recorded history has been in the past few thousand.
put my mum back where you found her thanks
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Also in the article, "An artist's interpretation of the hominins that lived near the Sima de los Huesos cave in Spain."
Really makes you wonder how much different they were compared to us.
[QUOTE=Vasili;43071214]put my mum back where you found her thanks[/QUOTE]
Yo mama's so old, she broke a fossil world record
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Also in the article, "An artist's interpretation of the hominins that lived near the Sima de los Huesos cave in Spain."
Really makes you wonder how much different they were compared to us.[/QUOTE]
The guy on the right would look like the oldest, wisest and most powerful wizard ever.
[QUOTE=GlebGuy;43071315]The guy on the right would look like the oldest, wisest and most powerful wizard ever.[/QUOTE]
He looks straight out of a bethesda game.
Skyrim for the Nords!
Never should have come here.
Strange that there hasn't been older fossils outside Spain, seems like a somewhat unlikely place to find the oldest one.
[QUOTE=GlebGuy;43071315]The guy on the right would look like the oldest, wisest and most powerful wizard ever.[/QUOTE]
Snape kills him like 350,000 years ago
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Also in the article, "An artist's interpretation of the hominins that lived near the Sima de los Huesos cave in Spain."
Really makes you wonder how much different they were compared to us.[/QUOTE]
holy fuck
i'm never shaving again, i'm going to match that beard before i die
I like how that one guy on the middle left is looking at the beard guy like: u bitch im gunna be leeder.
[QUOTE=GlebGuy;43071315]The guy on the right would look like the oldest, wisest and most powerful wizard ever.[/QUOTE]
pretty sick mohawk going on too
Funnily enough the Iberian peninsula was also the last refuge of the Neanderthals.
It wouldn't surprise me if early humanity consisted of multiple genetic lineages all interbred as part of social connections (for examples, groups of people meeting each other, breeding and then separating rather than settling down and returning the next year) which would create a huge amount of genetic and physical diversity.
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but isn't it possible for shifting ground to fuck up the test they use for age? I mean, suppose an earthquake happens, and sends it 20 or 30 feet lower than where it was originally preserved, wouldn't that make it seem older than it is?
[QUOTE=frozensoda;43073882]Forgive me if I'm wrong, but isn't it possible for shifting ground to fuck up the test they use for age? I mean, suppose an earthquake happens, and sends it 20 or 30 feet lower than where it was originally preserved, wouldn't that make it seem older than it is?[/QUOTE]
Uh, determining fossil age isn't based on where it's found or how deep it was found. I don't think radiometric dating is changed by depth either.
[QUOTE=frozensoda;43073882]Forgive me if I'm wrong, but isn't it possible for shifting ground to fuck up the test they use for age? I mean, suppose an earthquake happens, and sends it 20 or 30 feet lower than where it was originally preserved, wouldn't that make it seem older than it is?[/QUOTE]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dating[/url]
[QUOTE=The First 11'er;43073977]Uh, determining fossil age isn't based on where it's found or how deep it was found. I don't think radiometric dating is changed by depth either.[/QUOTE]
Well I was under the impression that they did the carbon dating on the soil samples from around where it's found, not on the bones themselves.
edit: Read the wikipedia article, I was misinformed.
[QUOTE=frozensoda;43074002]Well I was under the impression that they did the carbon dating on the soil samples from around where it's found, not on the bones themselves.[/QUOTE]
By this logic, wouldn't it be safe to assume the dirt would have went with the skeleton? :v:
I want to see some forensic analysts work their facial reconstruction magic on it
Atapuerca Carnivore, possibly there were many apex predators in the past? So only the smartest ones bred into the people we are today.
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[QUOTE=Griffster26;43074313]I want to see some forensic analysts work their facial reconstruction magic on it[/QUOTE]
[quote=The Article]The fossil, a thigh bone found in Spain[/quote]
It's gonna be one ugly-ass face.
so, how did all these hominids disappear, and why are we the only one's around?
[QUOTE=ridinmybike;43074459]so, how did all these hominids disappear, and why are we the only one's around?[/QUOTE]
there really is no definitive answer. most speculate they didn't really disappear, instead they assimilated with early human ancestors and the ones that didn't died out.
[QUOTE=ridinmybike;43074459]so, how did all these hominids disappear, and why are we the only one's around?[/QUOTE]
Because we brought our A game.
[QUOTE=ridinmybike;43074459]so, how did all these hominids disappear, and why are we the only one's around?[/QUOTE]
they were an ancient human society that got wiped out after an all-out war, obviously
[QUOTE=ridinmybike;43074459]so, how did all these hominids disappear, and why are we the only one's around?[/QUOTE]
probably some were smarter and learned to farm and make better equipment and when they needed resources perhaps the not-so-intelligent ones who had said resources got wiped out by tactics and better equipment and fuller bellies
[QUOTE=ridinmybike;43074459]so, how did all these hominids disappear, and why are we the only one's around?[/QUOTE]
check-mate atheists
nah you guys got it all wrong
they were nations that nuked eachother back to neanderthals
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