With the recently large emergence of the feminist movement on the internet, everyone seems to be aware that white and male privilege exist, that misogyny and racism are still extant and are large problems in society. However, I'm curious about the reverse. I read a story about a girl from tumblr that had punched a guy who was making rape jokes. Everyone on tumblr seems to support her overwhelmingly, calling her a hero. I understand the importance of purging rape culture from society, just as racism should be purged, but is that a step too far? Doesn't violence normally only beget more violence?
This leads me to my question that I want to debate: is the reverse of misogyny true? Is the feminist movement merely propagating a blame culture which vilifies men? Or are feminists entirely justified in their position that misandry isn't real?
I'm interested to see what you guys think. I'm impartial to either argument.
I don't think so, at least not in any significance. When's the last time a dude got bullied by a bunch of chicks - solely for being male? I haven't heard of any such stories.
What? I don't think any sensible feminist would argue that misandry is completely nonexistent, as that is obviously not true. I don't think it's a particularly major issue though, and obviously misogyny is still much more common.
I think there are side effects of misogyny that negatively impact males but I'm still not sure there are any events that have occurred where I can straight up say it was misandry.
I could be wrong. It definitely exists, but the real question is, does it exist as a problem? And I think the answer to that is, no.
yes it exists but there are much larger problems with society that need to be addressed first.
There's a double standard, but it doesn't really matter very much imo.
For example:
1) Man goes to Vegas without his wife's knowledge and loses all their money. The wife then changes the locks and kicks the guy out of the house while they discuss divorce, everyone is fine with it and happy the woman is taking things into her own hands.
2) Same exact situation, but with the man and woman reversed. The man is called a pig who mistreats women.
[QUOTE=sgman91;36692135]There's a double standard, but it doesn't really matter very much imo.
For example:
1) Man goes to Vegas without his wife's knowledge and loses all their money. The wife then changes the locks and kicks the guy out of the house while they discuss divorce, everyone is fine with it and happy the woman is taking things into her own hands.
2) Same exact situation, but with the man and woman reversed. The man is called a pig who mistreats women.[/QUOTE]
Please find examples of this ever happening.
[QUOTE=Lankist;36692162]Please find examples of this ever happening.[/QUOTE]
People don't really make news articles of this kind of thing, but I have plenty of anecdotal evidence and since that's the only kind of evidence that I've seen either way it must take precedence.
It's really pretty obvious... just look at the example given in the OP, it's the exact same sort of situation. If a man hit a woman for making a crude remark he's mistreating women, but a woman does the same thing she's a hero who stands up for herself.
Another example: Woman gets an abortion even though the father wants to have the kid. She's lauded for using her rights as a woman, but if a man doesn't want to pay child support for a kid he never wanted... he's an irresponsible idiot. I don't know about you, but 9 months of pregnancy is much less of a problem than a lifetime of child support payments.
But that double standard is a side effect of misogyny - it's not misandry.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;36692401]But that double standard is a side effect of misogyny - it's not misandry.[/QUOTE]
From my experience it's pushed almost exclusively by women. The cause may have been misogyny, but at this point misogyny can no longer explain the entire phenomena.
For example: Do women want men to pay for their dinner on a date because they accept that women are "the fairer sex" and shouldn't be in the work place? Of course not! It's now some sense of entitlement, that they somehow deserve to be treated better because they are a woman.
I think we females get a quite a few more privileges than we should, but I would say right now it is a balance with some other stuff. Mostly it is just women are different than men and it creates a lot of situations people say are sexist (both ways) and honestly arn't.
[QUOTE=sgman91;36692466]For example: Do women want men to pay for their dinner on a date because they accept that women are "the fairer sex" and shouldn't be in the work place? Of course not! It's now some sense of entitlement, that they somehow deserve to be treated better because they are a woman.[/QUOTE]
It's called social decorum. Not misandry. Its a social construct perpetuated by males just as much as females.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;36692569]It's called social decorum. Not misandry. Its a social construct perpetuated by males just as much as females.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure most men would love to share the bill if they could get away with it. It's more than "social decorum" when it obviously favors one sex more than another.
[QUOTE=sgman91;36692587]I'm sure most men would love to share the bill if they could get away with it.[/QUOTE]
You've added nothing.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;36692569]It's called social decorum. Not misandry. Its a social construct perpetuated by males just as much as females.[/QUOTE]
Mildly off topic but this made me curious. As a male do you feel you should pay for a female dinner because she is female? Or because you want to "appreciate" her or "take care of her" or some similar phrase?
[QUOTE=Rhenae;36692607]Mildly off topic but this made me curious. As a male do you feel you should pay for a female dinner because she is female? Or because you want to "appreciate" her or "take care of her" or some similar phrase?[/QUOTE]
Because I earn a lot more money than my girlfriend.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;36692598]You've added nothing.[/QUOTE]
"social decorum" doesn't really mean anything. One could make the argument that the expectation of women being stay at home mothers is "social decorum." Any time one sex is treated differently PURELY because they are of that specific sex is some form of misogyny/misandry.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;36692626]Because I earn a lot more money than my girlfriend.[/QUOTE]
But did you do that before you knew her income? (I would assume first date for example you don't know her income vs yours do you?) What and why then?
[QUOTE=sgman91;36692648]"social decorum" doesn't really mean anything. One could make the argument that the expectation of women being stay at home mothers is "social decorum."[/QUOTE]
Males like to pay for meals because it reflects well upon their egos. Power fantasies society has constructed.
[QUOTE=Rhenae;36692681]But did you do that before you knew her income? (I would assume first date for example you don't know her income vs yours do you?) What and why then?[/QUOTE]
From talking with other men it's usually because of obligation. If they don't pick up the bill the woman will look down on them. Hell, a Yahoo article was just posted that espouses exactly that. [URL]http://yahoo.match.com/cp.aspx?cpp=/cppp/yahoo/article.html&articleid=9125&TrackingID=526103&BannerID=1362560[/URL]
[QUOTE=Rhenae;36692681]But did you do that before you knew her income? (I would assume first date for example you don't know her income vs yours do you?) What and why then?[/QUOTE]
Well we were flatmates together before we got together. But hypothetically I would say I would have paid for the first date, probably because it would have been my idea and choice.
It's present and honestly I think it's just as big of a problem as Misogyny.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;36692710]Well we were flatmates together before we got together. But hypothetically I would say I would have paid for the first date, probably because it would have been my idea and choice.[/QUOTE]
Bad example if you knew each other but okay. So judging by your other comment it is still a lingering bread winner thing from when women couldn't work? (although to be fair still do get lower pay but you know what I mean)
[QUOTE=Rhenae;36692755]Bad example if you knew each other but okay. So judging by your other comment it is still a lingering bread winner thing from when women couldn't work? (although to be fair still do get lower pay but you know what I mean)[/QUOTE]
I just think its the same thing why a lot of men are uncomfortable if their women is earning a lot more money than them.
'Bread winning' isn't the reason, its just another 'symptom'.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;36692790]I just think its the same thing why a lot of men are uncomfortable if their women is earning a lot more money than them.
'Bread winning' isn't the reason, its just another 'symptom'.[/QUOTE]
Well, the way I am thinking of bread winning is referencing to the old way where only men worked and they payed their ladies way. I consider the "symptoms" to be sort of a run off, something lingering from that. Sorta like how anniversaries in many families are still the guy gives the girl a gift, and when women go shopping they get their man to pay for everything, and how guys are expected to pay for meals.
It is sorta a lingering thing from that, same as chivalry and opening doors for ladies sort of thing.
My boyfriend and I make similar paychecks, so I pay for my stuff and he pays for his stuff, we help eachother or both give gifts, and keep it pretty fair. I don't really like just being waited on by a guy, and it sorta irritates me how that is the expectation. It really bugs me if like in that link women will dismiss a guy just because he won't pay in full for their dinner. Thats just my take on other women though.
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I'm honestly more pissed with the pick and choose system that most feminists have developed. If you're going to be a big strong "don't need no man" woman, Then don't fucking expect us to pay for your dinner and all that, you don't want a gentleman, quit pulling that shit.
Women should be equals, not fucking weak follower bitches who can't take care of them selves, by the same note they're also not superior beings that can control a man's life. The backwards evolution of the feminist movement is to blame for this misandrous state of society. The original goal of the movement was to make us all equal, regardless of sex, and now it's a glorified misandrous circlejerk.
I've never read about a feminist expecting men to pay for dinner.
And I've studied it :v:
[QUOTE=NoDachi;36693242]I've never read about a feminist expecting men to pay for dinner.
And I've studied it :v:[/QUOTE]
It wouldn't exactly be news, since it is standard to all women not just feminists
[QUOTE=Marbalo;36693325]You dont hear about it because men are far more shy to admit they were mistreated by a woman than vice versa. Generally because admitting such a thing would get basically everyone accusing you of being a pussy or some other retarded thing like that.[/QUOTE]
But how can you know they were mistreated - for being a man?
Misandry does exist but it works differently than misogyny for a few reasons. When misandry pops up, it's usually very minor and a form of "female privilege."
There's really very little room to complain because men have 10x more "privilege" than women do. Unless it's a serious issue, like a girl physically mutilating a guy for making a rape joke. Or that case where a Russian woman drugged and tied up a would-be robber with viagra and constantly raped him for several days straight.
On a side note, I've found tumblr a pretty annoying place for social justice. Half of the people who actually reblog/post about social justice issues are just looking to be offended. The other half are legitimately upset about injustice. Like, last week, there was this one tumblr post floating around about female anatomy in comic books. A professional female artist performed "sexy" comic book poses, and then outlined over her photos, just to prove that the female body can look "sexy" without being uncomfortable. All of these social justice folks threw a shit about how it's still somehow "objectifying women" because they look sexy doing non-sexy things (fighting crime).
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