I really enjoyed the movie. Never owned or read the comics though.
Probably one of his best videos in awhile.
Actually surprised he didn't mention the squid vs Manhattan part of the adaptation discussion though.
Devoted the weekend to reading and watching the movie. Didn't know anything about Watchmen beforehand.
Was a good weekend. Fucked up speech pattern somewhat. Don't care.
[QUOTE=Drury;50810630]Devoted the weekend to reading and watching the movie. Didn't know anything about Watchmen beforehand.
Was a good weekend. Fucked up speech pattern somewhat. Don't care.[/QUOTE]
Doing that right now. Already saw the movie twice in the past but I never got into the comic before hand because in my mind it was yet another though more interesting superhero comics with shit ton of characters, their different version, successors, replacements and so on. Knowing it's actually not that long sparked my interest again.
Watchmen was a good movie
Could maybe someone that's into comic books and read Watchmen give some input on the panel layout choice that was talked about in the video? It stood out to me for some reason.
It seems to be sacrificing a huge amount of design space for lending single moments more impact. What's the benefit of this technique over the usual half-/full-/double-page-spreads or more dynamic combinations like panel size crescendo, dutch angle separators, characters/spreech bubbles breaking frame?
Are those techniques that were simply invented/became standardized later or is Watchman's style something that still holds up today for some reason? Does the more static default layout add to the dreary vibe that I'm getting for example? I'm not too much into the medium and haven't touched Watchman, so I'm kinda shooting in the dark here. But there must be something very valuable to take away from that technique if the video highlighted it as a strength of the comic book version.
[QUOTE=Marik Bentusi;50810960]Could maybe someone that's into comic books and read Watchmen give some input on the panel layout choice that was talked about in the video? It stood out to me for some reason.
It seems to be sacrificing a huge amount of design space for lending single moments more impact. What's the benefit of this technique over the usual half-/full-/double-page-spreads or more dynamic combinations like panel size crescendo, dutch angle separators, characters/spreech bubbles breaking frame?
Are those techniques that were simply invented/became standardized later or is Watchman's style something that still holds up today for some reason? Does the more static default layout add to the dreary vibe that I'm getting for example? I'm not too much into the medium and haven't touched Watchman, so I'm kinda shooting in the dark here. But there must be something very valuable to take away from that technique if the video highlighted it as a strength of the comic book version.[/QUOTE]
I'd argue at least at the most simple level that it made the whole comic flow perfectly with the dialogue and the actions. Additionally it helped establish a very good sense of spatial awareness.
Compared to even today's comics it's very precise and very easy to read at a constant pace whereas having elements just squashed all over the place and constantly changing up sequencing or panel style can lead to messy, disorientating scenarios.
Also bare in mind he only showed a few pages, not every single one of them is like that and each page does have a very specific layout and they didn't just use the same idea to dictate the entire layout of the comic.
Truly great comic creators utilize the medium to the fullest extent and Moore is someone who fully believes in it. The Killing Joke's final page is a masterful example in how to utilize the space, dialogue and art to tell the story in a very unconventional way. The impact of that scene and the implication of what happens isn't as strong in the recent animated movie.
[t]http://media.comicbook.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/the-killing-joke-final-page.jpg[/t]
[media]https://youtu.be/l3DWn2OPwvM?t=139[/media]
Comics that utilize all the elements at play and do it well are naturally hard to transfer to other mediums and that's not even counting the size of the story or the complexity of scenes.
I thought Watchmen was a great movie. Ironically, in trying to emulate comics, it makes more use of the potential of film as a medium than most other movies out there.
Watchmen was probably one of the few that stay the truest to the comics.
[QUOTE=Ignhelper;50811510]Watchmen was probably one of the few that stay the truest to the comics.[/QUOTE]
So'd you watch Sin City or what?
I've watched the orignal twice and the extended once and honestly, and each time I found it incredibly hard to watch despite it being pretty faithful, i actually fell asleep in the ext cut which i almost never do.
I actaully liked the comic, but i just don't get the film.
I also have really bad memories of it because I had projectile vomit out of the blue while watching it the first time and was feeling bloody awful all weekend afterwards, likely the food i'd eaten but still, i can't watch it without that moment coming to mind.
It joins Starship Troopers 2 on the list of films that iv'e been sick too.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;50811711]So'd you watch Sin City or what?[/QUOTE]
Sin City was pretty great too. I saw that movie along Watchmen and I can say with 100% certainty that both of them have aged pretty well in terms of story-telling.
3.5 hours is quite some time to sit through, I managed. Maybe because I still had everything in fresh memory/hype was real.
Loved the movie. Found misplaced quotes jarring at first. On second thought, smart move. Works both ways just as well.
Watchmen is proof Zack can produce some really good movies.
300 was also awesome.
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Watchmen makes me mad at Snyder. I know he's not completely without competence or talent, but god damn it he's been doing [I]nothing[/I] but taking massive missteps lately.
[QUOTE=One Ear Ninja;50812672]Featuring FrankJavCee's simpsonwave[/QUOTE]
Oh wow, it really is Frank's song. Thought it was just Resonance mashed up with other HOME songs.
[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;50812123]Watchmen is proof Zack can produce some really good movies.
300 was also awesome.[/QUOTE]
It's proof he can't write movies. Both 300 and watchmen were really 1:1 adaptations. And even then most watchmen comic fans hate the movie. So think of that what you will.
Watchmen was the first and still is one of my favorite comics of all time. That being said, I still enjoyed the movie for what it was. Snyder did the best that he could with the medium, and I'd say it couldn't have been done much better.
it's as if snyder only looks at the pictures but not the words.
This guy just keeps releasing better and better videos.
I really like the point he makes about creating something that makes full use of the medium, it reminds me of video games that try to be "masterpieces" by being cinematic. By deciding to imitate cinema you're limiting yourself straight away and disregarding unique features of the medium you're working with.
I'm not saying that cinematic videogames are bad, but when people say stuff like "the citizen kane of video games" they shouldn't be looking at videogames that imitate cinema.
In the movies defense, Doctor Manhattans explodey power always turning people into a shower of blood might be an attempt at consistency considering [sp]Rorschach, in the comic, quite violently explodes and leaves quite a bit of blood lying around, unlike everyone else just poofing.[/sp]
Whether thats a good thing or a bad thing, i dont know.
kaptainkristian brings up a good point about finding the balance between the adaptation and the original product. Most of you are probably familiar or at least aware of the TV show Arrow, based on the comic book hero Green Arrow. For a while now it's gone down its own path, with a major character [sp]and love interest in the comic books[/sp] being killed off in favor of a character made by its creator being the love interest instead. That's fine and good, whatever. What bothered me was this tweet made the show's personal Twitter account, announcing the new comic series for comic book Green Arrow.
[media]https://twitter.com/CW_Arrow/status/735515888388952064[/media]
Basically its fans of the show dismissing the comic books because they feel the adaptation is better, even as someone saying they would rather read Arrow fanfiction instead. To get to the point, my argument is that if you fall too far off you end up creating a fanbase that doesn't enjoy the original material at all, and it is as if the original doesn't exist at all.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;50816445]In the movies defense, Doctor Manhattans explodey power always turning people into a shower of blood might be an attempt at consistency considering [sp]Rorschach, in the comic, quite violently explodes and leaves quite a bit of blood lying around, unlike everyone else just poofing.[/sp]
Whether thats a good thing or a bad thing, i dont know.[/QUOTE]
Honestly I think it worked in Dr Manhattan's favor as a character in the context of the movie. It made him really fucking scary (or at least intimidating) which, considering the altered ending, is exactly what he needed to be.
But given ZS's track record, that probably was just a happy accident.
[QUOTE=Steel & Iron;50816564]kaptainkristian brings up a good point about finding the balance between the adaptation and the original product. Most of you are probably familiar or at least aware of the TV show [del]Arrow[/del] Batman, based on the comic book hero [del]Green Arrow[/del] Green Batman. For a while now it's gone down its own path, with a major character [sp]and love interest in the comic books[/sp] being killed off in favor of a character made by its creator being the love interest instead. That's fine and good, whatever. What bothered me was this tweet made the show's personal Twitter account, announcing the new comic series for comic book [del]Green Arrow[/del] Green Batman.
Basically its fans of the show dismissing the comic books because they feel the adaptation is better, even as someone saying they would rather read [del]Arrow[/del] Batman fanfiction instead. To get to the point, my argument is that if you fall too far off you end up creating a fanbase that doesn't enjoy the original material at all, and it is as if the original doesn't exist at all.[/QUOTE]
Im sorry what? I didnt quite catch that, i think you made a mistake there but im not sure.
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