Thousands in Moscow chant ‘Russia without Putin’ - Polidicks

[QUOTE]Tens of thousands of Russians marched through central Moscow yesterday (1 March), carrying banners declaring "I am not afraid" and chanting "Russia without Putin" in memory of murdered Kremlin critic Boris Nemtsov. Families, the old and the young, walked slowly, with many holding portraits of the opposition politician and former Deputy Prime Minister, who was shot dead while walking home from a nearby restaurant on Friday night.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE][url]http://www.euractiv.com/sections/global-europe/thousands-moscow-chant-russia-without-putin-312528[/url][/QUOTE]

I wonder how this news will be portrayed in Russian media.

[QUOTE=HazzaHardie;47243064]I wonder how this news will be portrayed in Russian media.[/QUOTE] [I]provocation[/I]

It's very reassuring to see some of the Russian people are hardilly standing up.

Hundreds of thousands of Americans have been chanting "USA without Obama" for years. Doesn't really mean a fucking thing.

Thousands in Moscow die in random murder.

[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;47243086]Hundreds of thousands of Americans have been chanting "USA without Obama" for years. Doesn't really mean a fucking thing.[/QUOTE] Except Russians got a good reason for this.

Next Day: Thousands missing from the streets of Russia

So you're implying people don't have any reason to complain about Obama? I've also read several posts now saying that there wasn't any chanting during the protest.

[QUOTE=OvB;47243090]Thousands in Moscow die in random murder.[/QUOTE] No, that's too obvious. They all become unpersons and get deported to Siberia. Any trace of news of the event in Russia is deleted. Nothing ever happened, life continues as normal in glorious motherland.

[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;47243098]So you're implying people don't have any reason to complain about Obama? I've also read several posts now saying that there wasn't any chanting during the protest.[/QUOTE] Well what i meant is that some stuff people people complain about Obama is the truth, but he really isn't that terrible of a president. But You got president Putin, which is trying to provoke the Baltic States, caused the rebellion in Ukraine, and caused Russia to be hurt by a shit ton of sanctions.

Next week: Russia Today reports largest counter terrorism operation in Russia a success over a thousand terrorists arrested.

[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;47243086]Hundreds of thousands of Americans have been chanting "USA without Obama" for years. Doesn't really mean a fucking thing.[/QUOTE] There's a difference, though. Everyone knows how divided America is over Obama. However, this puts to rest the notion that Putin is idolised by nearly the whole country - which their media would have you believe.

[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;47243098]So you're implying people don't have any reason to complain about Obama? I've also read several posts now saying that there wasn't any chanting during the protest.[/QUOTE] Not really, no. Obama really hasn't done much wrong. CONGRESS on the other hand... Side note I wonder if Karimatrix will try to get BDA to close this thread too.

[QUOTE=David29;47243120]There's a difference, though. Everyone knows how divided America is over Obama. However, this puts to rest the notion that Putin is idolised by nearly the whole country - which their media would have you believe.[/QUOTE] And why is it so hard to believe that he actually has a huge approval rate?

because russia is a corrupted shithole

Lol like the rest of the world isn't

[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;47243141]And why is it so hard to believe that he actually has a huge approval rate?[/QUOTE] Er, because of shit like this? You don't get thousands of people protesting against someone if they are universally loved.

[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;47243150]Lol like the rest of the world isn't[/QUOTE] I don't know about you, but i'd rather live in a western 'corrupt shit hole' than under Putin's government.

[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;47243150]Lol like the rest of the world isn't[/QUOTE] Read this [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_Russia"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_Russia[/URL]

So wait, they've actually got evidence linking Putin to the hit?

Uh Moscow has population of 12 100 000+ citizens, this protest had approximately 0,15% of the population (assuming it was within a range of 20k - 25k people).

[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;47243174]Uh Moscow has population of 12 100 000+ citizens, this protest had approximately 0,15% of the population (assuming it was within a range of 20k - 25k people).[/QUOTE] Thats still a lot of goddamn people to be pissed about it. And i bet more "Putin Supporters" would join the parade if they didn't have a police's gun in their back.

That still doesn't change the fact that he has huge approval in Russia and is viewed as savior who will return Russia to it's former glory. [quote=Reddit] His high approval ratings are not suprising at all when you look at the change in Russia since he came to power. In the 1990s russia was being asset stripped by robber barons both russian and foreign, was gradually losing grip on its federal components (e.g. chechnya but lots of other regions were basically run as personal fiefdoms of their governors) and had a drunken incompetent in charge. In 2015 the russian state is in charge. There are still oligarchs but they operate only at the whim of the state - if they step out of line they are squashed. The regions are under control and the president, even if you hate his policies (and plenty do) is sober and competent. Plenty of Russians don't like Putin's policies but see no alternative. It is true that the so-called 'liberal' opposition (of which nemtsov was a key figure) has a limited space of operation - the state media portrays them unfavourably, if at all, and the state uses a lot of legal harrassement against them to say the least. But most russians also don't like their policies because they are seen as resembling those of the 90s, about which the majority of people have extremely negative memories.[/quote] [quote] don't know why people have a hard time understanding that Russians are in general very supportive of Putin. Russian politics is very divisive just like politics of any other country. However, the various factions are aligned by their Russian nationalism/Anti-Americanism. This is why a man like Putin could enjoy wide support, that he's basically the culmination of all anti-western sentiments within Russia. Looking at recent history as a Russian, it becomes completely understandable. NATO (an anti-Russia organization) has bolstered its membership. It has expanded into areas where Russia traditionally had more influence. Membership within NATO basically comes with America's nuclear mutually-assured destruction guarantee. Let's not forget that American diplomats were actually supporting Ukrainian rebels. Russians see Putin as somebody who could put a stop to Russia's slide in its global influence. If today Russia was doing the same provocation in America, America would react in the same way. Let's not forget the Cuban Missile Crisis.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;47243190]That still doesn't change the fact that he has huge approval in Russia and is viewed as savior who will return Russia to it's former glory.[/QUOTE] I hear over 140% think that.

[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;47243174]Uh Moscow has population of 12 100 000+ citizens, this protest had approximately 0,15% of the population (assuming it was within a range of 20k - 25k people).[/QUOTE] If you think the percentage of the population that might disapprove of the government is represented entirely by those who are willing to attend a protest then you have a terrible grip on reality. [QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;47243190]That still doesn't change the fact that he has huge approval in Russia and is viewed as savior who will return Russia to it's former glory.[/QUOTE] It will take more than two quotes to outweigh 20,000+ people.

[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;47243168]Read this [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_Russia"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_Russia[/URL][/QUOTE] [citation needed] Ok and you read this I guess? [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_the_United_States[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_authoritarian_regimes_supported_by_the_United_States[/url] [QUOTE=David29;47243198]If you think the percentage of the population that might disapprove of the government is represented entirely by those who are willing to attend a protest then you have a terrible grip on reality.[/QUOTE] I never claimed that so stop putting words in my mouth because you have such a huge Russian hate boner. Read above, it still doesn't change the fact that his approval rate is huge, and not like there are any better solutions for the Russians when they're being pressured from all sides anyway.

[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;47243190]That still doesn't change the fact that he has huge approval in Russia and is viewed as savior who will return Russia to it's former glory.[/QUOTE] Can i please declare of what you said Bullshit? Seriously, he is not even helping at the moment, he basically is crippling the Russian Economy, Christ Sake, the Russian Stock Market is beaten out by Apple. And don't tell me he is trying to restore the country's former glory, because if he does, its going to fuck you guys over.

[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;47243150]Lol like the rest of the world isn't[/QUOTE] Your view of the world seems to be a bit narrow :v:

[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;47243150]Lol like the rest of the world isn't[/QUOTE] Instant whataboutism: brought to you by your local Facepunch Russia supporter.