6 HIV sufferers die after their pastor told them to stop taking their medication, because god would - Polidicks

[release][B]Church boasts it has a '100% success rate'[/B] Department of Health says 'faith and prayer are not a substitute for any form of treatment' At least six people with HIV stopped taking their medication and died after churches claimed God could cure them, an investigation has found. Undercover reporters who posed as worshippers infected with HIV in south London were told that pastors could heal them. The journalists underwent a 'healing process' where they were sprayed in the face with water while a member of the church called for the devil to come out. Scroll down for video Claims: An undercover reporter tells a member of the church she has HIV. She responds that God can help free them and set them free Pastors at the Synagogue Church of All Nations in Southwark boasted that they had a '100 per cent success rate', said Sky News which carried out the investigation. The church holds the healing sessions once a month and asks people to hand over medical notes to prove they have an illness. They use special 'anointing water' to 'cure' people. Rachel Holmes, one of the pastors, told a reporter that if symptoms persist it is simply HIV leaving the body. 'We have many people that contract HIV. All are healed,' she told Sky News. 'Healing': The reporter is told that if it is 'God's plan' she can be cured. The woman at the church tells the HIV sufferer that she will be cured and will no longer need her medication 'We've had people come back before saying, "Oh I'm not healed. The diarrhoea I had when I had HIV, I've got it again". 'I have to stop them and say, "No, please, you are free".' The Synagogue Church of All Nations has a presence around the world and members are expected to give money. It is also a registered charity in Britain - which confers a variety of tax advantages. A man called Emmanuel, who went to another church, stopped taking his pills a year ago after being told he was cured. He said the priest told him being cured does not take one day. Former Health secretary Lord Fowler said: 'It is bad advice, it is foolish advice and it is tragic advice because the consequences of this kind of advice can only be that people pass on HIV and can only be seriously bad for the individual concerned - including death' 'Cured': Emmanuel says he stopped taking medication after being told by a church in another area of the country that he had been healed Documents reveal that at least six people have died across the UK - three of them in London - because they have stopped taking medication after they were told by a church they were healed. There is no evidence that any of the people who died went to the Synagogue Church of All Nations. In testimonies on its website, the church claims it has 'cured' people of cervical cancer, anorexia and heart disease. A spokesman for the Department of Health said prayer is not a substitute for taking medication. He said: 'We are very concerned if people are not taking their HIV medication based on advice from faith leaders. 'HIV treatment is highly effective but it requires patients to take their HIV medication as prescribed by their doctor. 'Our advice is clear that faith and prayer are not a substitute for any form of treatment, especially for HIV treatment.' A spokesman for the Synagogue Church of All Nations, London branch, said: 'We are not the Healer; God is the Healer. Never a sickness God cannot heal. 'If somebody is healed, it is God who heals. 'We don’t ask people to stop taking medication. Doctors treat; God heals. Medical doctors do their work, just as ministers of God do. 'We sent a team of doctors, nurses and counsellors to help after the earthquake in Haiti, as well as to many other troubled nations, as you can see from our full documentary on Emmanuel TV. You will see the regard we have for medical doctors; I mean, the power of nature. 'There is nothing bad in using medication. It was the same medication that sustained these people before they came to the church. However, they believed that God is the God of nature.' [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2T5ZS3Bc-c&feature=player_embedded[/media] [/release] [url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2066106/Scandal-churches-claiming-cure-HIV-God-die-abandoning-medication.html[/url]

Seriously, people like her give Christians such a bad name.

Idiot. Then again, they also thought they'd be magically healed too.

And this is why so many people think all religious people are crazy blind idiots People like this really aren't the majority, they just make the news

I don't even know what to say, either the pastor was dumb or they were dumber for listening to him.

What the fuck is happening in the video. Everyone is having a spazz attack

Pastor is probably like "Well God said they had sins so therefore they died because he didn't like them." :downs:

Psycho bitch.

[QUOTE=bobsmit;33432066]What the fuck is happening in the video. Everyone is having a spazz attack[/QUOTE] It's like that at every christian concert i've been to, a christian band started playing and i swear everyone around me was having a seizure

Wow, religion sure creates intelligent, informed and logical people doesn't it!

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Their believe obviously wasn't strong enough. God is good!

Ok, lets get that pastor some HIV, see if god likes her.

Yeah, she's dumb for saying it but those people are just as dumb for buying it.

That's just the way God wanted it to be. They are in heaven now without pain. :downs:

Fuck religion. What good does it bring? It only seeks to control through fear and creates ignorance.

Dear churches that meddle in medical affairs, fuck off. Your claims of "god heals" and the likes have no scientific basis, only anecdotal and even that only sparsely. Stop claiming otherwise and ruining lives because of it. Sincerely, common fucking sense

[QUOTE=EmZajex;33432030]And this is why so many people think all religious people are crazy blind idiots People like this really aren't the majority, they just make the news[/QUOTE] You get news reports like this about once a fucking month. Mostly from Christian and Islam groups. Hell, aren't there still TV preachers that can cure anything in America? They wouldn't be on the news if they weren't special, but this still happens way too often.

She should seriously be charged with [I]something.[/I] These people died because of her. If she gets away with this...

They need to be charged with volountary manslaughter, if nto outright murder.

[QUOTE=MedicmanV500;33432231]Fuck religion. What good does it bring? It only seeks to control through fear and creates ignorance.[/QUOTE] Well it brings hope and safety for some people. But nothing else nowadays.

[img]http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/files/imagecache/news/files/news/20080418_darwin.jpg[/img] Well, I'm feeling pretty social today

[QUOTE=FPtje;33432243]You get news reports like this about once a fucking month. Mostly from Christian and Islam groups. Hell, aren't there still TV preachers that can cure anything in America? They wouldn't be on the news if they weren't special, but this still happens way too often.[/QUOTE] I agree that this happens way too often, but when you look at what a small percentage they make up you could essentially say the same thing about any group. It's like saying if a man named Joe robbed a store one month and another Joe was on the news a month or two later for battery then it would be like saying all Joes commit crimes

[QUOTE=juGGa;33432535]Well it brings hope and safety for some people. But nothing else nowadays.[/QUOTE] Dying of HIV sounds safe

Someone should have told her "god gave me these motherfucking pills, and they work". Pisses me off when dumb shits decide to say something that makes a group of people look worse.

As a Christian I just like to believe that God gave us science to explain everything. Its not that hard

It's equally their fault for actually believing that not taking the medication that is currently keeping them alive would make them better because some pastor told them it would.

[QUOTE=MedicmanV500;33432231]Fuck religion. What good does it bring? It only seeks to control through fear and creates ignorance.[/QUOTE] Though if taken literally it can do a lot of damage, the overall message and idea to the people that aren't out of their minds really helps bring a lot of peace hope and solace to people

ITT: More fuel for anti-religion atheist extremists.

[QUOTE=Jmir 54;33432575]As a Christian I just like to believe that God gave us science to explain everything. Its not that hard[/QUOTE] Not Christian but I agree fully. Science and religion can easily coexist as long as religion is not taken word for word literally and everybody on each side gets off their high horse