• Queens imam and his assistant shot to death by gunman in attack local Muslims blame on Donald Trump
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[QUOTE]A lone gunman executed a revered Queens imam and his friend as the pair walked home from Saturday prayers, blasting each in the back of the head without a word, officials said.Mosque leader Maulama Akonjee and friend Thara Uddin were dressed in Muslim garb when the killer “approached from behind and shot” from point-blank range, said NYPD Deputy Inspector Henry Sautner of the Queens South Detective Bureau. Akonjee, 55, a married father of three, was a respected religious leader since his arrival in Queens from Bangladesh less than two years ago. Uddin, 65, died about four hours after the attack. Scores of worshipers from the mosque gathered within hours at the murder scene to denounce the cold-blooded ambush as a hate crime. “That’s not what America is about,” said local resident Khairul Islam, 33. “We blame Donald Trump for this . . . Trump and his drama has created Islamophobia.” A high-ranking police source said the NYPD Hate Crimes Task Force would investigate, but it was “too early to say” what the motive was. A second source said investigators were looking into the possibility of a botched robbery because one of the men was found carrying several hundred dollars. The shooter left his victims lying in their own blood just one block from the Al-Furqan Jame Mosque in Ozone Park, where the two victims prayed together only minutes earlier. Police sources said they have witnesses who saw the killer holding a gun, as well as security video of the shooter following the imam and his friend. The footage then captures the man sprinting back, this time with a gun in his hand. The imam’s nephew said Akonjee had no problems with anyone in the neighborhood. “I’m not sure what kind of an animal would kill that man,” said Rahi Majid, 26. “He would not hurt a fly. You would watch him come down the street and watch the peace he brings.” The gunshots rang out around 1:55 p.m. on 79th St., police said. Uddin, also a father of three, was lying on the ground bleeding heavily when his nephew arrived by chance at the scene. “I was upset. I cried. He’s my uncle,” Rezwan Uddin, 28, said. Witnesses described a chaotic scene where the silent shooter started blasting at the two unarmed victims in the middle of a blistering August afternoon. “We are devastated,” said Kobir Chowdhury, president of a different neighborhood mosque. “We need to get to the bottom of this. We need to know if they did this just because of our religion.” [/QUOTE] [url]http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/drive-by-shooter-queens-gravely-injures-men-article-1.2749901[/url]
Apparently Trump is responsible for Islamophobia and not Terrorism.
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;50883062]Apparently Trump is responsible for Islamophobia and not Terrorism.[/QUOTE] u cant deny the fact that trump for the past year has played a big role in breeding hate and fear towards islam
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;50883062]Apparently Trump is responsible for Islamophobia and not Terrorism.[/QUOTE] Trump's biggest shtick is that the Islam is terrible and responsible for all terrorism etc. You can't sit there and with a straight face say he hasn't been a major driving force for Islamophobia the past year.
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;50883108]Trump's biggest shtick is that the Islam is terrible and responsible for all terrorism etc. You can't sit there and with a straight face say he hasn't been a major driving force for Islamophobia the past year.[/QUOTE]Uh, yes he can because that's precisely the argument most often refuted by people white-knighting an entire religion. "Islam is responsible for this surge in terrorism," is almost immediately countered with, "that's ignorant you islamophobe!" Personally I think [I]both[/I] sources are responsible for "islamophobia." I think that's a stupid term anyway, it implies people are somehow afraid of Islam but I'm sure plenty just merely hate it which is [I]probably[/I] the issue here. [editline]14th August 2016[/editline] As for the actual subject of the thread: only a pussy shoots somebody in the back of the head. At least have the common fucking courtesy to look a man in the eye, you owe him that much if you're going to murder him but I suppose that's asking a lot of a spineless coward. (really, there's no other way to describe the killer than "spineless coward")
the only people we should blame are the ones deluded enough to think that murder is justified
[QUOTE=Avvy;50883098]u cant deny the fact that trump for the past year has played a big role in breeding hate and fear towards islam[/QUOTE] I think its more Salafi islamists that are responsible for that... you know, through bombing shit and terrorism and isis. Trump just channels the rage of the people already outraged.
I'm not entirely sure why but i was thinking the queen had been shot, Chance you could reword it?
[QUOTE=Sims_doc;50883203]I'm not entirely sure why but i was thinking the queen had been shot, Chance you could reword it?[/QUOTE]Or how about not because anyone who reads (protip: you're supposed to do this anyway) would be able to use context clues to find out what's going on.
[QUOTE=Sims_doc;50883203]I'm not entirely sure why but i was thinking the queen had been shot, Chance you could reword it?[/QUOTE] So the title should be changed because of reasons you aren't even sure about? Huh.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50883128]Personally I think [I]both[/I] sources are responsible for "islamophobia." I think that's a stupid term anyway, it implies people are somehow afraid of Islam but I'm sure plenty just merely hate it which is [I]probably[/I] the issue here.[/quote] "Personally I think [I]both[/I] sources are responsible for "homophobia." I think that's a stupid term anyway, it implies people are somehow afraid of homosexuals but I'm sure plenty just merely hate them which is [I]probably[/I] the issue here." At least it's pretty obvious that there are people who are genuinely afraid of Muslims and are terrorised by terrorist attacks of a tiny scale. I don't think anyone is afraid of gay people other than those having their insecurities challenged. [quote]As for the actual subject of the thread: only a pussy shoots somebody in the back of the head. At least have the common fucking courtesy to look a man in the eye, you owe him that much if you're going to murder him but I suppose that's asking a lot of a spineless coward. (really, there's no other way to describe the killer than "spineless coward")[/QUOTE] You are using a gun to kill unarmed people anyway.
[QUOTE=phaedon;50883254]"Personally I think [I]both[/I] sources are responsible for "homophobia." I think that's a stupid term anyway, it implies people are somehow afraid of homosexuals but I'm sure plenty just merely hate them which is [I]probably[/I] the issue here." At least it's pretty obvious that there are people who are genuinely afraid of Muslims and are terrorised by terrorist attacks of a tiny scale. I don't think anyone is afraid of gay people other than those having their insecurities challenged.[/QUOTE]So your point is I should be okay with "islamophobia" because I think "homophobia" isn't an equally moronic term? What a stupid argument, I think "homophobia" is dumb too. Seething hatred is not fear, we don't call antisemitism "semiticphobia" we call it for what it is. [QUOTE]You are using a gun to kill unarmed people anyway.[/QUOTE]... So? [editline]14th August 2016[/editline] No, really. So what? That doesn't actually refute anything I said, he chose to strike from behind and while I don't know the guy or his motives but I [I]think[/I] that's an indirect statement about his character.
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50883176]I think its more Salafi islamists that are responsible for that... you know, through bombing shit and terrorism and isis. Trump just channels the rage of the people already outraged.[/QUOTE] Having a presidential candidate spew the same horseshit about Islam as those already outraged only makes their hatred and anger feel more justified and "right", allowing it to breed without end.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50883128]As for the actual subject of the thread: only a pussy shoots somebody in the back of the head. At least have the common fucking courtesy to look a man in the eye, you owe him that much if you're going to murder him but I suppose that's asking a lot of a spineless coward. (really, there's no other way to describe the killer than "spineless coward")[/QUOTE] Real life isn't a movie. When you kill someone, you kill someone. Why make it hard for yourself when you can do it in the easy way. Honor doesn't matter.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50883263]So your point is I should be okay with "islamophobia" because I think "homophobia" isn't an equally moronic term? What a stupid argument, I think "homophobia" is dumb too. Seething hatred is not fear, we don't call antisemitism "semiticphobia" we call it for what it is.[/quote] No, the point is that the words obviously have a common root and both describe discrimination, don't be coy. At the very least, the irrational fear of Muslims is tangible and easily observable. It's incredibly naive to pretend that a minority of people don't become afraid when they recognize that they are next to a Muslim, or aren't irrationally afraid that they'll be a target of a terrorist attack even though it's way more likely that they'll get run over by a car every time they get out of the house. And you can certainly bet that the Germans were irrationally afraid of Jews working against Germany. [quote] ... So? [editline]14th August 2016[/editline] No, really. So what? That doesn't actually refute anything I said, he chose to strike from behind and while I don't know the guy or his motives but I [I]think[/I] that's an indirect statement about his character.[/QUOTE] You implied that shooting from the front would make him less cowardly, and said that only a pussy shoots someone in the back of the head. Using violence against someone who can't protect themselves, especially with such a massive advantage as a gun is inherently cowardly, whether you shoot them from the back, the front, or diagonally for all I care doesn't make a bit of difference. Looking someone in the eye and shooting them doesn't make you braver, or more of a man or whatever, it's feel-good BS.
Islamophobia/xenophobia were already well established. Trump just takes advantage of it to try and get elected. He's not Hitler, just a dime a dozen populist asshole.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50883263] ... So? [editline]14th August 2016[/editline] No, really. So what? That doesn't actually refute anything I said, he chose to strike from behind and while I don't know the guy or his motives but I [I]think[/I] that's an indirect statement about his character.[/QUOTE] It's incredible that your largest complaint about the man isn't the fact that he murdered an innocent man out of pure hatred but the fact that he did it by the 'wrong' angle.
[QUOTE=Piciul;50883139]the only people we should blame are the ones deluded enough to think that murder is justified[/QUOTE] If we can't blame Islam for terrorism, why should we blame Donald Trump for violence against muslims
Can't we just blame the shooter?
Or you can act like adults and stop obsessing over who to blame.
All I can say is that my sympathies and thoughts are with the families of the deceased. This will be a very difficult time for them and I hope they will be given the space to grieve. Being killed for your religion like this is wrong no matter how you cut it.
Too much hypocrisy in the article. If they can blame Donald Trump for this, then it'd be a logical conclusion to, for instance, blame BLM for the Dallas and Baton Rouge shootings of cops. But really, the motives won't be known unless the killer confesses his motives. Anyway, I hope they catch the scum bag that killed those people and throw the book at him.
[QUOTE=Fourier;50883404]If we can't blame Islam for terrorism, why should we blame Donald Trump for violence against muslims[/QUOTE] Islam is a collection of various interpretations and histories on a set of beliefs. Blaming Islam as a whole generalises those sects who are wholly against violence to be the same as those who are calling for the heads of infidels for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Donald Trump is one man. You literally cannot generalise the singular. You cannot blame the entirety of Islam for instigating hate against the west and inciting terrorism because not all sects actually do this, and a vast majority of the followers are not involved in this. You can blame Trump with inciting Islamophobia, xenophobia, etc. because he is one man and they are his beliefs, and this one man currently has a nationwide/ global soapbox to stand on and preach about how barbaric Muslims are (y'know, that unfair generalisation I mentioned earlier?) [editline]14th August 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Kigen;50883518]Too much hypocrisy in the article. If they can blame Donald Trump for this, then it'd be a logical conclusion to, for instance, blame BLM for the Dallas and Baton Rouge shootings of cops. But really, the motives won't be known unless the killer confesses his motives. Anyway, I hope they catch the scum bag that killed those people and throw the book at him.[/QUOTE] Islam, BLM, Peta, whoever the fuck group you want to use are pretty fucking large an encompass massive differences in what their actual proponents believe. Not all BLM supporters support killing cops, not all Muslims support strapping bomb vests on, not all BLM supporters are black supremacists, not all Islamic followers follow the more awful parts of their book. This is why you can't say objectively that Islam is the root of all terrorism (certain sects have really gone off the rails and divided harder into more radical sects, sure), and why you can't blame BLM as a whole for cops being shot (well, it's not even part of their platform so the few followers who do want to shoot cops aren't exactly following BLM platform points in doing so). There's no hypocrisy in the article.
[QUOTE=Avvy;50883098]u cant deny the fact that trump for the past year has played a big role in breeding hate and fear towards islam[/QUOTE] I think islam have done a good job itself with that.
Trump isn't just channeling the xenophobic outrage towards Muslim people that people already have, he's legitimizing it. Fools are becoming bolder and more open with their hatred as a result of Trump's rhetoric.
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;50883062]Apparently Trump is responsible for Islamophobia and not Terrorism.[/QUOTE] Christ man how far do you have you head up Trump's ass
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50883128]As for the actual subject of the thread: only a pussy shoots somebody in the back of the head. At least have the common fucking courtesy to look a man in the eye, you owe him that much if you're going to murder him but I suppose that's asking a lot of a spineless coward. (really, there's no other way to describe the killer than "spineless coward")[/QUOTE] since when was there any honour to shooting people?
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;50883062]Apparently Trump is responsible for Islamophobia and not Terrorism.[/QUOTE] I lost count the number of times [b][i][u]RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISM[/u][/i][/b] was said at the RNC
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50883128]Uh, yes he can because that's precisely the argument most often refuted by people white-knighting an entire religion. "Islam is responsible for this surge in terrorism," is almost immediately countered with, "that's ignorant you islamophobe!"[/QUOTE] while calling someone an islamaphobe out of the blue may be overkill, I think we went through at least a googleplex of threads here explaining how islam itself isnt responsible for terrorism, its the conditions that people live in that cause it, which happen to be islamic countries. [QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50883128]Personally I think [I]both[/I] sources are responsible for "islamophobia." I think that's a stupid term anyway, it implies people are somehow afraid of Islam but I'm sure plenty just merely hate it which is [I]probably[/I] the issue here. [/QUOTE] there was some guy here who broke down and basically posted how he was afraid of muslims here in SH a while back, its a thing. also understand that fear breeds irrational behavior, which includes violent acts like this. [editline]14th August 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=!LORD M!;50883721]I think islam have done a good job itself with that.[/QUOTE] lets not start this again
[QUOTE=!LORD M!;50883721]I think islam have done a good job itself with that.[/QUOTE] Just like judaism did 100 years ago? [editline]14th August 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Fourier;50883404]If we can't blame Islam for terrorism, why should we blame Donald Trump for violence against muslims[/QUOTE] We shouldn't, but he is using islamophobia to further himself and trying to help validate it
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