[URL]http://www.smh.com.au/world/israelis-back-discrimination-against-arabs-poll-20121024-2844m.html[/URL]
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JERUSALEM: Most Jewish citizens of Israel support discrimination against Palestinians, a new poll has found, with 69 per cent advocating preference for Jews over Arabs in government jobs and 74 per cent in favour of segregated roads in the West Bank.
Three months before Israel's elections, which the right-wing Likud party of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is expected to win comfortably, the poll highlights growing concerns that peace talks have stalled irretrievably and a two-state solution is no longer viable.
[B]Forty-two per cent indicated they did not want to live in the same building as Arabs or have their children in the same class as Arab children.
More than two-thirds of the 503 Jewish citizens questioned by the polling company Dialog said they would oppose voting rights for the 2.5 million Palestinians living in the West Bank if it was annexed to Israel.
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However, a plurality — 48 per cent — opposed annexation altogether, while 38 per cent supported it and 14 per cent abstained.
Of those polled, 42 per cent indicated they did not want to live in the same building as Arabs or have their children in the same class as Arab children.
[B]When specifically questioned on whether there is apartheid in Israel, 58 per cent said there was – of those, 39 per cent said apartheid existed "in some respects" and 19 per cent said it existed "in many respects". Thirty-one per cent believed there was no apartheid.[/B]
The findings support what many Palestinian citizens of Israel say they experience – a system of entrenched unfairness in which everything from government jobs to education, health services and even garbage collection is affected.
"There is a very intricate, pervasive system of discrimination against Palestinians in Israel," said Hanan Ashrawi, a member of the Palestine Liberation Organisation's executive committee. "I blame the ongoing occupation, the lack of accountability and the extremely hostile policies and rhetoric of Netanyahu and his coalition."
For the most part the survey, commissioned by a private foundation, the Yisraela Goldblum Fund, revealed what past polling had suggested – that Israelis "accept the policies of separation", said Dahlia Scheindlin, a public opinion analyst based in Tel Aviv.
[B]"The only thing shocking about the poll was people's response to the term 'apartheid' . . . research I have done over the years indicates in general Israelis support certain kinds of discriminatory behaviour but they reject the term apartheid," Ms Scheindlin said.[/B]
An Israeli Democracy Institute 2010 index measured similar sentiments – it found most respondents (55 per cent) believed greater resources should be allocated to Jewish rather than Arab communities.
As with the institute's survey, the Dialog poll reveals clear differences among the different religious and secular communities in Israel.
"The greatest anti-Palestinian trends are among the ultra-Orthodox community," the poll found. "Eighty-four per cent of them are against civil rights for Palestinians, 83 per cent for separation on roads [and] 53 per cent of annexing areas of the settlements."
Echoing Dr Ashrawi's concerns, poll analysis provided by the Yisraela Goldblum Fund found: "Anti-Arab racism and support for apartheid are fed by the stalling of negotiations to solve the conflict with the Palestinians over statehood, with settlement construction a major factor."
There are now more than half a million Jewish settlers living across the pre-1967 armistice lines in the West Bank and East Jerusalem and settlement expansion continues unabated, despite US and European Union pressure on Israel to suspend construction.
On Tuesday, as the poll results were made public, Mr Netanyahu visited one of the largest settlements, Gilo, which is considered illegal under international law.
Established in East Jerusalem in 1971, Gilo is home to more than 32,000 Israelis and Israel announced plans last week to expand the settlement with 800 new apartments.
"United Jerusalem is Israel's eternal capital. We have full rights to build in it," Mr Netanyahu said. "We have built in Jerusalem, we are building in Jerusalem and we will continue to build in Jerusalem."[/quote]
This is deeply unsettling
"Guys it's only the Israeli government who's bad and you should blame. They are all good and honest people, stop generalizing them."
Excuse me as I will from now take it as a simple fact that more than one in three Israelis are a xenophobic cunts.
[QUOTE]"The only thing shocking about the poll was people's response to the term 'apartheid' . . . research I have done over the years indicates in general Israelis support certain kinds of discriminatory behaviour but they reject the term apartheid," Ms Scheindlin said.[/QUOTE]
Hahaha, what the fuck. This slightly changes my opinion of the Israeli public.
And they wonder why everyone else in the Middle East hates Israel.
Fuck sake Israel grow up, no wonder so many Arabs hate Israel
The ironic thing is, this makes Islamists look good.
For a country that has never really known peace since it was founded, this doesn't really come as a surprise.
[quote]"The only thing shocking about the poll was people's response to the term 'apartheid' . . . research I have done over the years indicates in general Israelis support certain kinds of discriminatory behaviour but they reject the term apartheid," Ms Scheindlin said.
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"keep those filthy arabs seperate from my israeli children"
"wtf apartheid it's not like that at all"
At least have the fucking balls to admit to being a racist cunt.
[QUOTE=download;38176217]Fuck sake Israel grow up, no wonder so many Arabs hate Israel[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Computrix;38176140]And they wonder why everyone else in the Middle East hates Israel.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;38176019]"Guys it's only the Israeli government who's bad and you should blame. They are all good and honest people, stop generalizing them."
Excuse me as I will from now take it as a simple fact that more than one in three Israelis are a xenophobic cunts.[/QUOTE]
The prevalent bias in sensationalist headlines cracks me up. It's not like it's a one sided relationship. Make a poll about Jews in any of the surrounding Arab countries and I'm sure you would get similar results. It's a reciprocal hate relationship that has been going on for ages.
And that's not taking the countless factors into account of what might be the cause of this. I can't believe someone here is stupid enough to think that this is the reason Arabs hate Israelis.
[QUOTE=Chrille;38176654]
And that's not taking the countless factors into account of what might be the cause of this. I can't believe someone here is stupid enough to think that this is the reason Arabs hate Israelis.[/QUOTE]
The point is that israelis are just as bad as everyone else.
Also all surrounding arab countries don't have an issue like Gaza either.
[QUOTE=Chrille;38176654]The prevalent bias in sensationalist headlines cracks me up. It's not like it's a one sided relationship. Make a poll about Jews in any of the surrounded Arab countries and I'm sure you would get similar results. It's a reciprocal hate relationship that has been going on for ages.
And that's not taking the countless factors into account of what might be the cause of this. I can't believe someone here is stupid enough to think that this is the reason Arabs hate Israelis.[/QUOTE]
Don't put words into my mouth, I never said I think Arabs are any better.
What I think is that Israel shouldn't have western support when they clearly don't deserve it.
If Israel was trying to get on well with Arabs, I would agree with supporting them and helping them defend from aggression, but that's obviously not the case at this point. They aren't the better people there. There's no reason why they should have western support.
Leave them to the reap the hatred they have sown.
No shit, people are racist. Just like Germany is now supposedly not full of Nazis due to the generations passing the same with Israel; People are now "SOMEHOW" racist even though our people went through the holocaust.
And I thought there's a place in this universe where everything is pink and people are not racist, hypocritical, naive.....
[QUOTE=Chrille;38176654]The prevalent bias in sensationalist headlines cracks me up. It's not like it's a one sided relationship. Make a poll about Jews in any of the surrounded Arab countries and I'm sure you would get similar results. It's a reciprocal hate relationship that has been going on for ages.
And that's not taking the countless factors into account of what might be the cause of this. I can't believe someone here is stupid enough to think that this is the reason Arabs hate Israelis.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, except most (read: all) Arab countries don't have what's basically a concentration camp in their backyards.
[QUOTE=HarveySpecter;38176909]No shit, people are racist. Just like Germany is now supposedly not full of Nazis due to the generations passing the same with Israel; People are now "SOMEHOW" racist even though our people went through the holocaust.
And I thought there's a place in this universe where everything is pink and people are not racist, hypocritical, naive.....[/QUOTE]
lol holohoax
yeah
poll arabs too
and poll both of them about how they feel about the orthodox fundies
"The greatest anti-Palestinian trends are among the ultra-Orthodox community,"
because we've known how they've felt from the start.
[QUOTE=Stopper;38177044]Yeah, except most (read: all) Arab countries don't have what's basically a concentration camp in their backyards.[/QUOTE]
Right because having masses of indian construction workers living in the conditions they do doesn't count as a labor camp.
and Syria hasn't killed tens of thousands of its own citizens, completely suppressing any kind of "rights" they ever had
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;38176019]"Guys it's only the Israeli government who's bad and you should blame. They are all good and honest people, stop generalizing them."
Excuse me as I will from now take it as a simple fact that more than one in three Israelis are a xenophobic cunts.[/QUOTE]
As an Israeli citizen I can assure you that none of my friends nor relatives would ever express any opinion close to what the article states,
and those 503 people do not reflect the Israeli population at all...
[QUOTE=HarveySpecter;38176909]No shit, people are racist. Just like Germany is now supposedly not full of Nazis due to the generations passing the same with Israel; People are now "SOMEHOW" racist even though our people went through the holocaust.
And I thought there's a place in this universe where everything is pink and people are not racist, hypocritical, naive.....[/QUOTE]
I was writing out a complicated response but fuck it
you're stupid.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;38177385]yeah
poll arabs too
and poll both of them about how they feel about the orthodox fundies
"The greatest anti-Palestinian trends are among the ultra-Orthodox community,"
because we've known how they've felt from the start.
Right because having masses of indian construction workers living in the conditions they do doesn't count as a labor camp.
and Syria hasn't killed tens of thousands of its own citizens, completely suppressing any kind of "rights" they ever had[/QUOTE]
Here come the Israel apologists.
[QUOTE=Stopper;38177044]Yeah, except most (read: all) Arab countries don't have what's basically a concentration camp in their backyards.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, because Iraq, Syria, Libya, Tunisia, and Egypt were all known to excel in the Human Rights department.
I find it funny that if anyone in the west said the same about Israelis they'd be called an anti-semite nazi.
[QUOTE=TheSporeGA;38177635]I was writing out a complicated response but fuck it
you're stupid.[/QUOTE]
Call me whatever you'd like, baby.
I respect more... "to the point" responses, so...
It's weird to think of that a people that have been under so much pressure, just starts to hate back and does so little to make themselves a better image.
The hate is on both sides, though. I sorta experienced that when I was in Israel a few weeks ago.
I was walking trough the Arabic quarters of the old city, wearing a kippa after I had been at the western wall.
Some hate might be from the fact that no non-Arabic people are allowed to pray at the temple mount. The Islamic people have a mosque on the most holy place of the Jews, so some of the hate might be because of that.
A little bit off the current topic, but have there been any news on the drone that the Israeli defenses had to shoot down after going over Gaza, by the way?
Oh, also. On the Apartheid stuff:
Aftenposten, Monday 22. October 2012 (Aftenposten is one of the most known newspapers in Norway) Source: [url]http://niggaupload.com/images/D5glC.jpg[/url]
[b]-Some people say that Israel is an Apartheid state, what do you have to say to that?[/b]
Israels Ambassador in Norway, Naim Araidi said:
-That's a joke. How can it be an Apartheid state when I, myself, and others (Christians, Muslims) can represent Israel around the world? We have people from all over the world. They have taken their culture with them. We have to bring this out to the world. The world does not know this, they only know about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Of course, it's a very complicated conflict. But there are also some coexistence in Israel. Look at the universities. Many of the primary professors are Arabs. Look at the hospitals. Many of the primary doctors are Arabs. There's a joke in Israel: "If you're going to the hospital, you have to know the Arabic language, or Russian."
[b]-But some people say that Arabs and other minorities in Israel are second-rank citizens?[/b]
-Why?
[b]-For example because they can't do military service.[/b]
-Many people do that. But the media does not talk about it. Many Christian Arabs does military service. Hundreds, maybe thousands of Muslim Arabs do. All Druzes do it, that's the way of the law.
-Believe me, Jews and Arabs can live a good life together. The Arabs doesn't hate Jews. They hate Israel because the state represents the modern life, the secularized life. That's the problem.
[QUOTE=HarveySpecter;38177791]Call me whatever you'd like, baby.
I respect more... "to the point" responses, so...[/QUOTE]
Well first of all Germany ISN'T full of nazis, Nazi Germany fell in like 1945 or some shit. Second of all, I don't even get what " People are now "SOMEHOW" racist even though our people went through the holocaust." means. Are you saying that Jews can't be racist?
And your third statement is just obviously not true.
[QUOTE=Glorbo;38177737]Yeah, because Iraq, Syria, Libya, Tunisia, and Egypt were all known to excel in the Human Rights department.[/QUOTE]
You know your argument is weak when you have to compare Israel to these countries. Israel has a poor record and the only way it seems for people to justify it is by saying, "well, at least we're not as bad as so and so".
The most damning thing in this article in my opinion is that the majority of Israelis questioned actually said they live in an apartheid state. Earlier before, I would have argued that Israel is not necessarily one, but this is very interesting nevertheless as it's coming from the horse's mouth.
It's really not religion that's the reason Arabs hate Jews, it's because of this arrogant attitude and "hurr Arabs aren't worth shit".
[QUOTE=TheSporeGA;38178090]Well first of all Germany ISN'T full of nazis, Nazi Germany fell in like 1945 or some shit. Second of all, I don't even get what " People are now "SOMEHOW" racist even though our people went through the holocaust." means. Are you saying that Jews can't be racist?
And your third statement is just obviously not true.[/QUOTE]
I am saying jews can be racist just like anyone else on the planet and that this article brings no new cards to table.
Also, if my third statement, evidently isn't true, then why is this surprising (the article) whatsoever? It is as if jews are expected to perfect souls.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;38176019]"Guys it's only the Israeli government who's bad and you should blame. They are all good and honest people, stop generalizing them."
Excuse me as I will from now take it as a simple fact that more than one in three Israelis are a xenophobic cunts.[/QUOTE]
They are in a war with each other. It's very common for prejudice to develop when you hear about rockets hitting innocent people frequently.
[QUOTE=Cowabanga;38178758]It's really not religion that's the reason Arabs hate Jews, it's because of this arrogant attitude and "hurr Arabs aren't worth shit".[/QUOTE]
It's probably got something to do with one third of Israelis being outright cunts to Arabs too, as well as being Grade A wankers to Gaza and Palestine.
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[QUOTE=yawmwen;38178827]They are in a war with each other. It's very common for prejudice to develop when you hear about rockets hitting innocent people frequently.[/QUOTE]
Except it's dumb as shit because the rockets frequently hit fuck all and then Israel fucking flattens an area with air strikes then proceed to illegally take land from folk.
Both sides are fucking cunts but let's not pretend for a second that Israel isn't the biggest, widest, most cavernous cunt.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;38176019]"Guys it's only the Israeli government who's bad and you should blame. They are all good and honest people, stop generalizing them."
Excuse me as I will from now take it as a simple fact that more than one in three Israelis are a xenophobic cunts.[/QUOTE]
They're xenophobic because they support discrimination of the people who would kill all of them given a chance? Okay, then.
[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;38178837]
Except it's dumb as shit because the rockets frequently hit fuck all and then Israel fucking flattens an area with air strikes then proceed to illegally take land from folk.
Both sides are fucking cunts but let's not pretend for a second that Israel isn't the biggest, widest, most cavernous cunt.[/QUOTE]
I'm not talking about whether the body count is higher for Israelis or Palestinians; I am not talking about whether Israel or Palestine is a bigger asshole. What I am talking about is perception and attitudes.
The rocket strikes and car bombings undermine the safety of the Israeli people, and that becomes stronger the more Israel feels the need to report and emphasize the attacks. When you perceive a group of people to be at war with you, to be attacking civilian targets, possibly putting you at risk, it can be a bit easy to develop a prejudice against the group.
This is probably how Israel is able to continually justify their terrorist activities against the Palestinians. They create a state of war scenario, create fear among their populace, and then the people feel that something [i]needs[/i] to be done about the Palestinians. It isn't that the average Israeli is a dick; but the average Israeli may very well be just manipulated for a purpose, similar to how citizens of every country are manipulated to some extent or another.
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