ACTA rejected by the European Parliament - Polidicks

[url]http://www.zdnet.co.uk/blogs/communication-breakdown-10000030/acta-almost-dead-after-latest-body-blow-from-europe-10026443/[/url] [quote]The Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement, or ACTA, has been rejected by the European Parliament's trade committee, the opinion of which is a major influence on the wider parliament. INTA supported rapporteur David Martin's rejection of ACTA on Thursday morning by 19 votes to 12. Minutes before, the committee also voted 19-12 to ignore European Commission calls to postpone voting until the European Court of Justice (ECJ) has decided on ACTA's legality. Trade commissioner Karel De Gucht said late on Wednesday that he would still ask the Parliament to reconsider ratifying ACTA when the ECJ ruling comes through in a year or two's time, even if the Parliament rejects the treaty at a plenary vote in early July. "This was not an anti-intellectual property vote. This was a vote against the contents of ACTA," Martin said in a press conference afterwards. "We felt ACTA was too vague a document… There was no definition of commercial usage in ACTA… Many of us felt the sanctions ACTA contained for breaches of copyright were disproportionate." "Citizens have been highly involved in this dossier. I hope that Parliament has responded adequately to their concerns," Martin added. "Not one person in the committee was able to put forward a position in favour of ACTA." ACTA sets out an international copyright enforcement regime that the European Commission says would protect EU intellectual property overseas without changing any laws in the EU. Critics disagree, saying it would allow the criminalisation of individual file-sharers in the EU and introduce US-style damages assessments for infringement here. The secretive drawing-up of ACTA's terms has also attracted criticism. Those opposing ACTA have generally characterised the treaty's referral to the ECJ as a delaying tactic, designed to head off its definitive rejection by the European Parliament. If the Parliament rejects ACTA — as it is very likely to do — the treaty will be dead in Europe. The same result would come from a single EU member state failing to ratify the agreement. To date, not one member state has ratified ACTA.[/quote] [url]http://www.numerama.com/magazine/22947-l-accord-acta-rejete-au-parlement-europeen.html[/url] (French) [quote]19 "no", 12 "yes"; the INTA commission of the European Parliament rejected under a round of unanimous applause the adoption of ACTA, following David Martin's rapport, without any modifications. Three amendments had been proposed, in an attempt to turn around the orientation of this rapport. The first two, which were later pulled off, were only modifying the conclusion to be in favor of ACTA, without changing anything to the actual arguments (!). The third one, rejected by the commission, was requesting to delay the vote after the European Justice Court would give its opinion on the compatibility of ACTA with the communautary EU rights. Thus ACTA is dead and six feet under — at least politically. [B]The Parliament will still have to make a choice on July 4th, but so far, the five parliamentary commissions have been against the treaty. "It is fundamental that citizens stay mobilized until the absolute definitive burial of the treaty", says Françoise Castex.[/B][/quote]

Yeah, if nothing else, you can see EU is good for something. If they tried this state by state, I guarantee you they would succeed in most of Europe, over time. Now EU shielded it whole.

Go Europe!

we have won the battle, but not the war

What's that smell? Impending Victory perhaps? :v:

Couldn't they still do it like in the US and smuggle it through under a different name and wording while everyone is too busy celebrating the death of ACTA to pay close attention?

[QUOTE=Marik Bentusi;36422721]Couldn't they still do it like in the US and smuggle it through under a different name and wording while everyone is too busy celebrating the death of ACTA to pay close attention?[/QUOTE] I fucking hope not. I'm getting pretty tired of this whole deal.

[QUOTE=Marik Bentusi;36422721]Couldn't they still do it like in the US and smuggle it through under a different name and wording while everyone is too busy celebrating the death of ACTA to pay close attention?[/QUOTE] They tried that once, as ACTA came after...another one it's name I can't remember. Don't think they'll ever manage to convince the EU, whatever it's name is.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;36422540]Yeah, if nothing else, you can see EU is good for something. If they tried this state by state, I guarantee you they would succeed in most of Europe, over time. Now EU shielded it whole.[/QUOTE] Until they try to pass it again under some other name, a 'la Telecommunications Law.

[QUOTE=Marik Bentusi;36422721]Couldn't they still do it like in the US and smuggle it through under a different name and wording while everyone is too busy celebrating the death of ACTA to pay close attention?[/QUOTE] It's somewhat what they tried to do here (albeit less perverse)

I thought they rejected this shit 2 years ago...

It's nice when the higher-ups actually listen to citizens' opinions.

[QUOTE=Recurracy;36422744]I fucking hope not. I'm getting pretty tired of this whole deal.[/QUOTE] They basically did it with ACTA; Anti-Counterfeit Trade Agreement doesn't exactly spell out intellectual property

[QUOTE=The fox;36422790]Until they try to pass it again under some other name, a 'la Telecommunications Law.[/QUOTE] The european parliament will disregard our invidual freedom and pass ACTA, also we should disband EU." - The fox in 2011~

[QUOTE=Marik Bentusi;36422721]Couldn't they still do it like in the US and smuggle it through under a different name and wording while everyone is too busy celebrating the death of ACTA to pay close attention?[/QUOTE] Well afaik the EU didn't reject it because of pressure like with SOPA, they rejected it because they actually believe it's shit, so they aren't going to pass it next time either

The US government actually put pressure on the EU government with SOPA? That's wrong in so many ways.

I'm quite happy now.

[QUOTE=Marik Bentusi;36422721]Couldn't they still do it like in the US and smuggle it through under a different name and wording while everyone is too busy celebrating the death of ACTA to pay close attention?[/QUOTE] No, because we still have 2 from the Swedish Pirate Party in the European Parliament. They will make sure they won't try to sneak something through.

See, UK people, this is exactly why the EU is better than the UK government.

Great! now i can live without fear. ... Until the next and slightly altered version comes around.

[QUOTE=Mr Kirill;36422838]It's nice when the higher-ups actually listen to citizens' opinions.[/QUOTE] kinda rare though

Thread title is a lie, there has not been a full parliament vote yet.

This is one of the two good days to ba a part of the European Union.

Ah man, this made my shitty day a slightly happy one Sun burns, step aside

[QUOTE=Roof;36432144]kinda rare though[/QUOTE] Which is why it's nice! Would you really enjoy democracy if you had it all the time? :)

YES. So glad to see this. My letter made a difference! (Although actually probably not at all.)

Oh, good. That means this should just fall apart since it sorta relied on Europe buying into it too.[QUOTE=Zacca;36433138]Which is why it's nice! Would you really enjoy democracy if you had it all the time? :)[/QUOTE] YEs I would!

[QUOTE=TestECull;36439874]Oh, good. That means this should just fall apart since it sorta relied on Europe buying into it too. [/QUOTE] You'll find that in Europe, we read the small print when making contracts/restricting civillians.