Democratic Party Civil War: Liberal group threatens to challenge Democrats with primary fights - Polidicks

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4vE56LXUAAf_k5.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE]The progressive coalition solidified by Bernie Sanders' insurgent campaign and energized by the broad liberal backlash to President Donald Trump is preparing to launch primary challenges against elected Democrats they see going wobbly in the fight against the new administration. To press the issue, Sanders veterans, along with allied activists and organizers, have launched a new political action committee called We Will Replace You. The group is demanding that Democrats on Capitol Hill uniformly oppose all Trump nominees, including Supreme Court nominee Neil Gorsuch, demand the firing of top Trump strategist Steve Bannon and use all the levers of their limited congressional power to gum up the White House agenda -- or face opposition from within their own party. They are also asking new supporters to sign a pledge -- written at the top of their homepage -- promising to back "primary election challengers against any Democrats who won't do everything in their power to resist Trump." "Democrats need to know there is an actual political cost and this isn't just going to be folks showing up at their offices, but folks showing up at the ballot and different organizations supporting challengers who are going to push the party in a different direction," said Max Berger, a co-founder of #AllOfUs, the millennial progressive group that launched the new campaign. [/QUOTE] [URL]http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/17/politics/liberal-group-primary-challenge-democrats/index.html?sr=fbpol021717liberal-group-primary-challenge-democrats1032PMVODtopLink&linkId=34626961[/URL]

Good, this country needs major reforms and both parties in their current states of corruption can't be trusted do it. The Democratic Party needs to be reformed.

About time. There are parts of the Democrat establishment that are too backwards to save, and parts of said establishment that have lost track of what it is Democrats are supposed to represent in this day and age. Let them be pruned away and replaced by younger, more patriotic Democrats, who still want to make positive changes in the lives of everyday Americans. No more demagoguery. Not after this election.

[QUOTE]The group is demanding that Democrats on Capitol Hill uniformly oppose all Trump nominees[/QUOTE] I hate words like "uniform" or "all" when it comes to politics.

I hope that we see some major changes to prevent anything like this administration occur again before and after the new generation comes into power. The current, corrupt, and old generation of politicians and their pupils that are indifferent or interested in long term damage for short term gains need to be stopped before such damages can occur further.

The moderate dems with power are the most willing corporate cocksuckers and need to be removed from the power of the party ASAP The fact Hillary was supposed to be representing the party was an embarrassment

[QUOTE=SelfishDragon;51838668]Good, this country needs major reforms and both parties in their current states of corruption can't be trusted do it. The Democratic Party needs to be reformed.[/QUOTE] The Democratic Party needs a [B]strong economic message[/B] above all else. That the rust belt (who voted Obama twice) broke for Trump highlights this more than anything. Working class, working class, working class... Just being "not Trump lol" isn't going to fucking cut it when you're taking bribes from Big Pharma, fracking the shit out of the country and supporting Neoliberal economics that fuck working people. "Lel but we've recovered since 2008" Yes, and almost all of that recovery has gone to the top 1%.

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;51838677]I hate words like "uniform" or "all" when it comes to politics.[/QUOTE] With this tactic we wouldn't have gotten Mattis, who seems to be loved by basically everyone.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;51838690]With this tactic we wouldn't have gotten Mattis, who seems to be loved by basically everyone.[/QUOTE] Yup. We need to look at the nominees on a case-by-case basis. If there's conflict of interest or blatant incompetence, by all means, oppose them. Just don't tar them all with the same brush.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;51838690]With this tactic we wouldn't have gotten Mattis, who seems to be loved by basically everyone.[/QUOTE] Not anti-war/non-interventionists... [URL]http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/15/politics/pentagon-considering-recommending-combat-troops-in-syria/index.html[/URL] That said, I agree with the sentiment of your post. Obstruction for the sake of it is retarded.

They should be pushing for election reform so they can challenge conventional Democrats at the polls without automatically handing a win to the Republicans.

From what i can see, most of your "moderate" democrats, aren't really moderate, they're just neoliberals who don't hate minorities/poors/women and aren't high on jesus, which isn't exactly an achievement, basically right-wing economically, center-left socially.

Okay someone leaked emails, THE DEMS ARE FUCKING FURIOUS, Dems Leaders have now been caught saying progressives are the ones that basically killed Democrats as a national party. I usually hate linking to the Daily Beast: [URL="http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/02/17/leaked-emails-dem-state-leaders-think-obama-s-new-organizing-army-is-grade-a-bullshit.html"]http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/02/17/leaked-emails-dem-state-leaders-think-obama-s-new-organizing-army-is-grade-a-bullshit.html [/URL] [QUOTE]It is difficult to overstate just how enraged state Democratic activists and leaders are with Organizing for Action (OFA), the political and community-organizing army that grew out of Barack Obama’s presidential campaigns. The nonprofit, which functions as a sort of parallel-Democratic National Committee, was founded to mobilize Democratic voters and supporters in defense of President Obama’s, and the Democratic Party’s, agenda. Instead, the organization has drawn the intense ire, both public and private, of grassroots organizers and state parties that are convinced that OFA inadvertently helped decimate Democrats at the state and local level, while Republicans cemented historic levels of power and Donald J. Trump actually became leader of the free world. These intra-party tensions aren’t going away, especially now that OFA “relaunched” itself last week to protect the Affordable Care Act, boost turnout at congressional townhalls, and train grassroots organizers gearing up for the Trump era. “This is some GRADE A Bullshit right here,” Stephen Handwerk, executive director of the Louisiana Democratic Party, wrote in a private Democratic-listserv email obtained by The Daily Beast. Handwerk was reacting to news of OFA’s post-election retooling, which was shared “without comment” to the group of state-level Dems by Crystal Kay Perkins, executive director for Texas Democrats. “It also to me seems TONE DEAF—we have lost over 1,000 seats in the past 8 years… all because of this crap,” Handwerk continued. “Let’s get through the next two weeks—but then we gotta figure this out and keep the pressure on. WOW.”[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=download;51838720]They should be pushing for election reform so they can challenge conventional Democrats at the polls without automatically handing a win to the Republicans.[/QUOTE] Moving to remove FPTP, removing electoral college, and having candidates be forced to have a vice president along with cabinet before the primary are just some of the things our elections should have.

[QUOTE]Bernie Sanders' insurgent campaign[/QUOTE]:rolleyes: Yes, dangerous psychotic freedom fighter Bernie Sanders, the grizzled vicious terrorist responsible for the end of democracy as we know it. [img]https://cdn-img.pressreader.com/pressdisplay/docserver/getimage.aspx?regionKey=D%2FnianlgpFXaIU5EJbGz1Q%3D%3D&scale=100[/img]

[QUOTE=27X;51838766]:rolleyes: Yes, dangerous psychotic freedom fighter Bernie Sanders, the grizzled vicious terrorist responsible for the end of democracy as we know it. [img]https://cdn-img.pressreader.com/pressdisplay/docserver/getimage.aspx?regionKey=D%2FnianlgpFXaIU5EJbGz1Q%3D%3D&scale=100[/img][/QUOTE] An insurgency is simply a grassroots resistance to an establishment. A rebellion from within.

[QUOTE=Wizards Court;51838746]From what i can see, most of your "moderate" democrats, aren't really moderate, they're just neoliberals who don't hate minorities/poors/women and aren't high on jesus, which isn't exactly an achievement, basically right-wing economically, center-left socially.[/QUOTE] On most political compasses the democrats are referenced as right of center.

[QUOTE=Wizards Court;51838746]From what i can see, most of your "moderate" democrats, aren't really moderate, they're just neoliberals who don't hate minorities/poors/women and aren't high on jesus, which isn't exactly an achievement, basically right-wing economically, center-left socially.[/QUOTE] Sums it up nicely. I like the term "Corporate Democrats." Corporate Dems aren't the left's friends, they're just not as a comic book villainy as Republicans. Literally 'we're not Republicans' is what they subsist on, and that isn't cutting it anymore (and thank god for that). Edit: [QUOTE=Raidyr;51838777]On most political compasses the democrats are referenced as right of center.[/QUOTE] Yeah, the left has no real representation in the federal government aside from the Congressional Progressive Caucus. Hopefully, we can change that.

[QUOTE=HappyCompy;51838782]Sums it up nicely. I like the term "Corporate Democrats." Corporate Dems aren't the left's friends, they're just not as a comic book villainy as Republicans. Literally 'we're not Republicans' is what they subsist on, and that isn't cutting it anymore (and thank god for that).[/QUOTE] They need to join the Republican party and take it back from bat-shit crazies, so actual left-wingers can represent Americans from within the Democrats.

[QUOTE=HappyCompy;51838782]Sums it up nicely. I like the term "Corporate Democrats." Corporate Dems aren't the left's friends, they're just not as a comic book villainy as Republicans. Literally 'we're not Republicans' is what they subsist on, and that isn't cutting it anymore (and thank god for that). Edit: Yeah, the left has no real representation in the federal government aside from the Congressional Progressive Caucus. Hopefully, we can change that.[/QUOTE] Corporate dems leave the party looking like socially progressive (sometimes) republicans at best

[QUOTE=KillRay;51838815]Corporate dems leave the party looking like socially progressive (sometimes) republicans at best[/QUOTE] The fact that the Dems are now what the Republicans used to be has made it so that the only way Republicans can ever win votes is by appealing to the lunatic and degenerate fringe of American society.

[QUOTE=archangel125;51838791]They need to join the Republican party and take it back from bat-shit crazies, so actual left-wingers can represent Americans from within the Democrats.[/QUOTE] I feel like the actual left wingers will provide a natural and clear distinction from the far-right Republicans. Corporate Dems play it too fucking safe; they compromise their values to placate the unplacatable Republicans time and time again. This lets conservatives control the narrative and drag the nation's Overton Window ever rightward... [B]Conservatives are unabashed about being conservatives, and they give zero fucks if you hate them because of it. That's how the left needs to be: proud, militant and uncompromising.[/B]

[QUOTE=HappyCompy;51838825]I feel like the actual left wingers would provide a natural and clear distinction from the far-right Republicans. Corporate Dems play it too fucking safe; they compromise their values to placate the unplacatable Republicans time and time again. [B]Conservatives are unabashed about being conservatives, and they give zero fucks if you hate them because of it. That's how the left needs to be: proud, militant and uncompromising.[/B][/QUOTE] Strongly agree (militant can be debatable). You can even see it in a lot of the Democrats of today. Willin g to switch sides easily, because they aren't firm in their beliefs (often for stupid reasons) and the crossover between the parties is so thick in many areas. It's why many progressives label as leftists now. Democrats tainted liberal

[QUOTE=HappyCompy;51838825]I feel like the actual left wingers will provide a natural and clear distinction from the far-right Republicans. Corporate Dems play it too fucking safe; they compromise their values to placate the unplacatable Republicans time and time again. [B]Conservatives are unabashed about being conservatives, and they give zero fucks if you hate them because of it. That's how the left needs to be: proud, militant and uncompromising.[/B][/QUOTE] I disagree with the militant bit, but definitely they're too compromising by far.

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;51838677]I hate words like "uniform" or "all" when it comes to politics.[/QUOTE] usually, but can you make the case that trump has nominated compident people to anything, even flynn, someone who shouldnt have been controversial is now out because of the freewheeling going on in the WH

You dicks better have your shit together for 2018

[QUOTE=Sableye;51838905]usually, but can you make the case that trump has nominated compident people to anything, even flynn, someone who shouldnt have been controversial is now out because of the freewheeling going on in the WH[/QUOTE] Mattis is pretty well liked. I haven't heard anything terrible about Gorsuch, though that could be because I've been forced to live under an occupational rock lately. Can't think of anyone else off the top of my head.

[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;51838752]Okay someone leaked emails, THE DEMS ARE FUCKING FURIOUS, Dems Leaders have now been caught saying progressives are the ones that basically killed Democrats as a national party. I usually hate linking to the Daily Beast: [URL="http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/02/17/leaked-emails-dem-state-leaders-think-obama-s-new-organizing-army-is-grade-a-bullshit.html"]http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/02/17/leaked-emails-dem-state-leaders-think-obama-s-new-organizing-army-is-grade-a-bullshit.html [/URL][/QUOTE] Then, pray tell, who was funneling all of their state funds to Hillary's Victory Fund and then the Democrats lost all the downticket elections? Fucking blind, all of them.

You know what makes me proud to be a Democrat? The fact that polling indicates that the majority of Americans are progressives (even if they don't identify as one). You know what makes me proud to be a Democrat? The fact that it was a Democratic President who helped push Social Security into existence, who established the minimum wage, and who also famously proclaimed [B]“No business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country.”[/B] You know what makes me proud to be a Democrat? The 2016 Democratic Platform is close to a social-democratic one. Real progress has been made to bring the platform into the 21st century (but we're still not there yet). - You know what makes me embarrassed to be a Democrat? When Cory fucking Booker takes $300k in bribe money from Big Pharma and votes in their interest in contrast with the American people's. You know what makes me embarrassed to be a Democrat? When Democrats water down their principles and bend over backwards to appease Republicans who'd never do the same for them. You know what makes me embarrassed to be a Democrat? When Democrats shun leftists and socialists as being "too dangerous" or "unelectable" and continue to push to be the "Republican-lite" party, all the while getting clobbered in elections across the country. [I]The lessons from 2016 are not fucking hard to understand if you are paying attention. People want a clear economic policy difference from Reaganomics, not socially liberal Republicans.[/I]

So if everyone is okay with the Dems doing this, I suppose it's alright for the Tea Party after all, then? I really don't see a different in tactics - replace experienced party members with more radical candidates and require them to object and be uncompromising with any thing and everything the other party suggests simply because it's from the other party.